World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 - VTMB sequel from The Chinese Room - coming early 2025

[Delterius]

assamite and lasombra as the 'surprises' would have been my first bets given that many of them joined the cam while gangrel and brujah largely left.

Gangrel and Brujah left the cam in V5?

I'm still a bit out of date with V5,

Yes, but as discussed earlier these aren't absolutes. V5 is mostly about the fragmentation of the sects in the wake of the surveillance state and gehenna. So allegiance in a given city is mostly down to the individual vampire.

 

[NecroLord]

So allegiance in a given city is mostly down to the individual vampire.

Allegiances must be chosen wisely.
No Kindred makes it out on its own, unless he's someone like Beckett, and even he has connections and acquaintances.

 

[sosmoflux]

I think I've figured it out

You know how most people can't visualize objects in their head?

And how most people don't have internal dialogues?

Essentially you can't leave most people alone with their thoughts because they literally just go stir crazy, like robot vacuum cleaners cut off from the wifi

This is why we can't have games anymore without nagging side characters and main characters that talk to themselves

It's why we can't have games where WE are the character, and not playing AS a character

Because most people literally have no character

 

[NecroLord]

I think I've figured it out

You know how most people can't visualize objects in their head?

And how most people don't have internal dialogues?

Essentially you can't leave most people alone with their thoughts because they literally just go stir crazy, like robot vacuum cleaners cut off from the wifi

This is why we can't have games anymore without nagging side characters and main characters that talk to themselves

It's why we can't have games where WE are the character, and not playing AS a character

Because most people literally have no character

They could've made Auspex work as intended and allow you to detect emotions and thoughts as per pnp rules.
Though it does not always work as you want it to, and there is also the issue of using it in Elysium (no disciplines allowed).

 

[Vincente]

assamite and lasombra as the 'surprises' would have been my first bets given that many of them joined the cam while gangrel and brujah largely left.

Gangrel and Brujah left the cam in V5?

I'm still a bit out of date with V5,

Yes, but as discussed earlier these aren't absolutes. V5 is mostly about the fragmentation of the sects in the wake of the surveillance state and gehenna. So allegiance in a given city is mostly down to the individual vampire.

More or less. For example, there's a Camarilla Brujah in Milan Uprising.

 

[Storyfag]

They could've made Auspex work as intended and allow you to detect emotions and thoughts as per pnp rules.
Though it does not always work as you want it to, and there is also the issue of using it in Elysium (no disciplines allowed).

Afair there is no way to discern discipline use, beyond the obviously visible effects. So stuff like Auspex or Fortitude could be used in Elysium, because nobody would notice.

 

[Caim]

assamite and lasombra as the 'surprises' would have been my first bets given that many of them joined the cam while gangrel and brujah largely left.

Gangrel and Brujah left the cam in V5?

I'm still a bit out of date with V5,

Gangrel "left" in Revised edition when one of their Elders stood before the Inner Circle and told them he was packing up his clan and leaving, even though he did not have the authority to do so. As such, many Gangrel actually remained with the Camarilla even though the clan is no longer an official part of the sect.

The Brujah are Vampire V version where during the Conclave of Prague, an event where many high-ranking Camarilla were present to formulate an answer to the Anarch question, Theo Bell strutted up to Hardestadt and asked him if his shotgun tasted like cordite, and blew the elder's head off. Nobody knows why he did it, how the fuck he could kill a man as powerful and paranoid as Hardestadt of whether this was all part of Hardestadt's plot. Because of this many Brujah went Anarch, and because of what happened quite a few were more or less kicked out of the Camarilla.

I am getting the impression that the VtM authors just wanted big changes in the V5 setting without bothering about reasonable explanations...

Oh it gets better. The Assamites went through a namechange and shacked up with the Camarilla since their primary fighting clans (Gangrel and Brujah) left, the Setites also rebranded and are now the spiritual councilors of the Anarchs (which if you know anything about the snakes is a REALLY DUMB MOVE), the Giovanni had their patriarch get eaten and were forcibly folded into a new sect with the Cappadocians, Harbingers of Skulls, Samedi and even the Nagaraja, who aren't even a Cappadocian descended bloodline (the authors insist on calling it a clan, but this eclectic bunch would actually be a sect).

And the Lasombra? All the important ones (including the Archbishop of fucking Milan) shacked up with the Camarilla, each offering a staked vampire older than themselves as a token of good faith.

So there's been some major shakeups.

 

[Bulo]

I don't like vampires who look like they've just left the runway. It may be true to the everything-and-nothing culture of today, but it's just so anaemic

 

[ERYFKRAD]

anaemic

I mean, they are vampires

 

[Storyfag]

the Giovanni had their patriarch get eaten and were forcibly folded into a new sect with the Cappadocians, Harbingers of Skulls, Samedi and even the Nagaraja, who aren't even a Cappadocian descended bloodline (the authors insist on calling it a clan, but this eclectic bunch would actually be a sect).

Objection! All mentioned bloodlines, save for the Nagaraja, are Cappadocians, so it indeed is a Clan. Now, there has been precious little detail regarding Nagaraja origins, except for hints that a group of Indian death Mages discovered their own version of the Ritual of Usurpation some time before the Tremere did theirs. The Tremere used Tzimisce vitae in their ritual (making them a Tzimisce bloodline, technically). There is ZERO information what vitae did the Nagaraja use. Given their penchant for death, though, it isn't a far stretch to assume they cooperated with a Cappadocian, making their presence in Clan Hecata very logical.

And the Lasombra? All the important ones (including the Archbishop of fucking Milan) shacked up with the Camarilla

Giangaleazzo was the first to do so, even back in V20.

 

[NecroLord]

the Giovanni had their patriarch get eaten and were forcibly folded into a new sect with the Cappadocians, Harbingers of Skulls, Samedi and even the Nagaraja, who aren't even a Cappadocian descended bloodline (the authors insist on calling it a clan, but this eclectic bunch would actually be a sect).

Objection! All mentioned bloodlines, save for the Nagaraja, are Cappadocians, so it indeed is a Clan. Now, there has been precious little detail regarding Nagaraja origins, except for hints that a group of Indian death Mages discovered their own version of the Ritual of Usurpation some time before the Tremere did theirs. The Tremere used Tzimisce vitae in their ritual (making them a Tzimisce bloodline, technically). There is ZERO information what vitae did the Nagaraja use. Given their penchant for death, though, it isn't a far stretch to assume they cooperated with a Cappadocian, making their presence in Clan Hecata very logical.

And the Lasombra? All the important ones (including the Archbishop of fucking Milan) shacked up with the Camarilla

Giangaleazzo was the first to do so, even back in V20.

Nagaraja flesh eaters did strike me as a Tzimisce ofshoot clan...

 

[Storyfag]

Eaters, not shapers. I'll stick with my Cappadocian theory, if only to make their presence in Clan Hecata unoffensive to logic and Traditions.

 

[Ibn Sina]

already massive RED FLAGs are showing. Butch MC with Millennial haircut who just woke from "100" year sleep. Forcing you to play as a gypsy armenian etc... this game is a massive bomb in the making.

 

[whydoibother]

Butch MC with Millennial haircut who just woke from "100" year sleep. Forcing you to play as a gypsy armenian

Phyre is a character with a long history, but you will be able to customize them and choose their gender, clan, outfits, behavior, and so much more.

 

[Gandalf]

Butch MC with Millennial haircut who just woke from "100" year sleep. Forcing you to play as a gypsy armenian

Phyre is a character with a long history, but you will be able to customize them and choose their gender, clan, outfits, behavior, and so much more.

If "and so much more" mean haircut and ethnicity, then am GAME!

 

[Dadd]

I don't like vampires who look like they've just left the runway. It may be true to the everything-and-nothing culture of today, but it's just so anaemic

Clearly someone needs to be phyred.

 

[havox]

already massive RED FLAGs are showing. Butch MC with Millennial haircut who just woke from "100" year sleep. Forcing you to play as a gypsy armenian etc... this game is a massive bomb in the making.

To me the biggest red flag is the resonance part. Having a faggot called Fabien living rent-free in your head is one thing, but having to care what your food thinks of your clothing choices is a whole new level of gay.

11:23 And so it sounds like you're hinting at a system that we have in Vampire:
11:27 The Masquerade - Resonance, which is the emotional state of dinner, essentially, of your prey.
11:34 Yeah, absolutely. It's important to Phyre sometimes what the Resonance
11:39 of the character she's feeding on is, and she can push that, and she can change that or attempt it.
11:46 It might not work, as I said, depends how you're dressed,
11:49 depends who the character is and what they feel about how you've approach them.

 

[Dadd]

They're gonna make you suck his dick before drinking his blood

 

[Delterius]

but having to care what your food thinks of your clothing choices is a whole new level of gay.

vampires alluring their prey why i never

 

[Vincente]

To me the biggest red flag is the resonance part.

The blood you drink having an extra effect depending on your victim isn't something unique to V5, it's just turned up to 11 in here.

They're gonna make you suck his dick before drinking his blood

I mean, penis has veins...

 

[Wesp5]

Butch MC with Millennial haircut who just woke from "100" year sleep. Forcing you to play as a gypsy armenian

Phyre is a character with a long history, but you will be able to customize them and choose their gender, clan, outfits, behavior, and so much more.

If "and so much more" mean haircut and ethnicity, then am GAME!

Speaking of haircut, the first thing Fabien must have convinced the player to do after sleeping 100 years is go to a barber !

 

[Ibn Sina]

The Man MC in the artwork looks like an emasculated twink while the woman MC looks like she regular takes testosterone boosters & other types of roids.

 

[whydoibother]

Speaking of haircut, the first thing Fabien must have convinced the player to do after sleeping 100 years is go to a barber !

And to rename xirself to Phyre, because that name probably wasn't popular in the 1600s.

 

[Storyfag]

They're gonna make you suck his dick before drinking his blood

I mean, penis has veins...

Lily's modus operandi in Redemption

 

[Storyfag]

Speaking of haircut, the first thing Fabien must have convinced the player to do after sleeping 100 years is go to a barber !

Would have to have been a Tzimisce barber. Otherwise the hair would grow back the next night.