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Vampyr - vampire action-RPG from Life Is Strange devs

Lacrymas

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I don't know what is being "criticized" at this point. The minor anachronistic use of a word, the pushing of "SJW agendas", or what. I know some people are trying to "criticize" the "pushing of SJW agendas" by way of anachronistic use of words, but that's basically the definition of paranoia on so many different levels I can't even begin to unpack this baggage.
 

zaper

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I'm advancing fine and have only embraced one guy in the entire game because he was a cunt.

You had to kill people to open the first door. Get some reading comprehension.

"B-but they are evil vampire hunters! They are supposed to get killed!"

Perhaps that's why so many people are complaining about disassociation between the combat and the rest of the game.

What the fuck are "MMO NPCs"? Are you referring to the perception that she has no backstory?

No. I'm referring to the fact that all of the three NPC interactions feel shallow, generic and gratuitous, serving merely as a way to give the same repeated bits of exposition or to move the plot forward in an unimaginative way.

Why the fuck are you complaining that a guy tells you to leave the room after talking to him? is this really a huge issue?

Because this is a fucking RPG and, after my character saying again and again that he needed answers, I would like more options than just "OK, I guess this guy won't help me because I did not jump right in to his service without any explanations". And yes, a fucking death cutscene would be better than this.

I don't know if you're familiar with good RPGs, but they often give you more than one way to solve a problem.


What did you want, gay sex after an introduction?

No, I know I'm not visiting your house.


Why not complain about actual important shit, like for example how the guy is investigating the crime and can't crack the murderer's identity, yet the only thing he had to do was talk to the fucking woman downstairs who reveals the guy is the barman's friend. It's not exactly a hard puzzle to crack and I noticed it immediately. Also how the investigator miraculously shows up after the boss fight with the murderer. How the fuck did he know? If he already knew but hid the information from you, why didn't he just go there? He has a super powerful vampire woman friend, he wasn't in any danger whatsoever.

OK, so according to your experience I shouldn't complain about my first impression of the game, I should play it more so I could complain about even more stuff? Great logic.

How about you stop getting triggered by someone else's initial opinion on a game?

You're being a total turbo edgelord about minute details that are irrelevant at best.

I think that a game that markets itself on hard moral choices forcing you to kill people is stupid, and I think that you could save us all a lot of time by just admitting we have different ideas of what a good RPG is.
 

fantadomat

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The more i play the more shit it becomes. Combat begins to show how shitty it is. One of the problems is that you don't have a way to improve the damage except by finding new weapons and upgrading them. Later on enemies become more buffed in the health department. Battles become sluggish,pointless and annoying. The stun armour is another retarded mechanic that the game have,the worst is that it gets upgraded/doubled every time you endup drinking blood from someone. Also it is annoying that the protagonist doesn't have such armour and could be drained easily. Boss battles are really annoying,if you get killed by their one shot attack you are near the beginning of the battle but without blood,thus making a hard battle even harder.

The writing continues to go rapidly downhill,just wait and see when you visit the cemetery for the second time. I was rolling my eyes constantly and wondering "Why?What?WHY?",those thoughts remained with me for some time. I didn't get surprised by the person,but by its words and actions....simply retarded moment in the game.
I am not talking about SJW shit here,i am talking that the writing becomes really bad.

Also fuck that cumbucket of faggotry called ACG! That retarded youtube cockroach doesn't even know what a side quest is,let alone having a story. All the side quests are simply fetch quests that you finish before the guy gives it to you and thus blocking the hints needed to start. They are painfully bad. Finding some scarf in the ass of a zombie while exploring and magically knowing who is the owner. Then turning it back to just fuck up some dialogue options....simply grand!
 

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I don't know what is even being "criticized" at this point. The minor anachronistic use of a word, the pushing of "SJW agendas", or what. I know some people are trying to "criticize" the "pushing of SJW agendas" by way of anachronistic use of words, but that's basically the definition of paranoia on so many different levels I can't even begin to unpack this baggage.

Yes we're all making this stuff up

http://ourglasslake.com/2017/03/gdc-soapbox-teaching-students-to-make-socially-aware-video-games/

https://kotaku.com/how-anita-sarkeesian-wants-video-games-to-change-1688231729

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/18/diversity-video-games-industry-playstation-xbox

https://venturebeat.com/community/2013/10/20/social-justice-in-video-games-what-went-wrong/

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ople-playing-games-women-industry-doesnt-know

https://www.theatlantic.com/enterta...lowly-quietly-introducing-lgbt-heroes/284017/

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This stuff is trivially easy to find--is vomited out constantly by the entire industry--yet we're "paranoid" for noticing it.

Just because you don't care that it is raining doesn't make it sunshine.
 

fantadomat

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Buahahahahaha amazing,the game just decided to fuck me over with its buginess :).
It send me back to level 1 and locked me out of upgrading anything.....
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Lacrymas

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Ok, I'll skip the usual "video games have had non-whites and non-heterosexuals since at least the 90s" and ask this directly. What are they trying to achieve by this? Since this is an agenda, what exactly is the end goal of this agenda?
 

SkiNNyBane

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I agree. But most games don't have budgets to hire historical language experts to write the games in the original language of the chosen era. And most players would fail to understand such writing properly without some sort of aid.
I guess it kinda comes down to: how much more would you* pay for a game that did extensive sociological/linguistic research and presented itself in authentic and largely incomprehensible contemporary dialect only?

I'm looking at paying an extra $3 for a DLC hat to cover up that anachronistic hairstyle. And I'll put my money where my mouth is - if I ever buy the game, I'm getting that damn DLC too. But it would cost quite a bit more than $3 to get the "not in modern English at all" language version I think. And there's no way in hell the "not in modern English" version could be the default. Personally I wouldn't be real excited to play a game in English that still required subtitles.

* Not you, mildTea.

I don't need safe space, I just want people who haven't read a book in their life to not give their retard opinions and stick to games. Reading the equivalent of flat earth society mixed with illuminati bullshit gets really old on a gaming forum.
Sorry, new guy, but you're not going to change the Codex. You're certainly not going to change anybody's mind like this. I'm speaking as someone who's on your side politically.

My advice is to identify the individuals who only use the forum as an excuse to burn crosses etc. and put them on ignore. Then identify the opposition who only exist to complain about the cross burning (you're in danger of becoming one of these btw) and also put them on ignore. What's left will be the people who want to talk about games. Believe in yourself young padawan, resist the lure of the tar baby and you'll find your way.
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I appreciate the gesture. Zombra

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I just want to go on record as while it is true I am left wing, I am not pro political correctness at all. I just find that what is happening here is not a critique of legitimate censorship or over commitment to political ideal to a point of lowering quality of entertainment, but simply a bunch of brainlet kiddies displaying the most crude version of tribalism.

If they make street fighter 6 women wear catholic clothes covering their bodies, I will be right there with codex raising asci pitch forks. But if codex thinks they are not being anything but a screeching snowflakes when one of the option of early 20th century doctor does not include "bring me a syringe dumb nigger", they can fuck right off to my ignore list.
 

toro

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Buahahahahaha amazing,the game just decided to fuck me over with its buginess :).
It send me back to level 1 and locked me out of upgrading anything.....
bug_10.png

You have 68k XP. Looks like you can respec.
 

SkiNNyBane

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You will find it insanely hard to find a right wing leaning video game simply because while developers may or may not be pro political correctness (or whatever version of what you call SJWist agenda), vast majority of educated people are at least liberal. Even in the right wing central country like US, the right wing (especially of alt right) types are limited to rural areas. The technology, research, academia centers of America like NY, California etc... are all liberal (which btw are where your games are made). I am not even going to mention EU.

Your on the side of idiots, deal with it. Programmers aren't generally idiots, so they make games with liberal philosophy. Rednecks aren't very good at making video games. Do you want developers to pretend they believe something that is limited to youtube dumbfucks and their armies of teenagers? And I don't mean teenagers as a slur, I literally mean teenagers based on statistics of those alt-tube channels and subreddits.
 
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Lacrymas

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Read the articles. They are making presentations. They explain it better than I can.

I read half of them, all of them kind of written from the perspective of people who agree with the "lack of diversity" (a loaded and maybe even incorrect statement). I still don't understand where the agenda is and what the end goal is. Having more "diverse" characters leads to ...having more "diverse" characters? Seems self-fulfilling. The "crime" here seems bringing this "issue" to light and focusing on it. Something most, if not all, social equality movements of the 20th century were accused of by detractors. And still are, Pride Parades here are routinely criticized for this exact same thing, citing "they can be everything they want, just don't parade around about it", trying to act civilized and faux tolerant, but actually hiding deeply damaging sentiments.


Your on the side of idiots, deal with it.

Both sides are made up of majority idiots.
 
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Zombra

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Ok, I'll skip the usual "video games have had non-whites and non-heterosexuals since at least the 90s" and ask this directly. What are they trying to achieve by this? Since this is an agenda, what exactly is the end goal of this agenda?
Why, . W H I T E . G E N O C I D E . of course.
 

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So any early consensus on this? Day one purchase, wait for humble bundle, only worth pirating, never touch?
First impressions are bad and it makes you feel like you're playing Thiaf.
Then it opens up and you become aware that it's broken in 2 parts that don't exactly fit together. In one you investigate, which largely means talking to people and putting their interpersonal relations together and going to places to find hints or items that let you further these investigations. At its best, this masks quest-giving as a natural reaction to a discussion with a npc and the environment you're both in. In the other, mostly while you travel between places, you get to fight endless waves of nameless humans and monsters and the occasional boss.
The problem with the former is that it's slow goings and as someone pointed out, subtitles don't help in letting you proceed faster. The problem with the latter, not only do you become aware of a huge narrative disconnect where your central character that doesn't necessarily want to kill or behave like a mindless monster ends racking up a kill count several times that of any of the monsters but the one crucial aspect is that the characters you're investigating, they're the ones you have to choose to kill in order to feed off of which in turn allows you to level (nameless soldiers' blood doesn't count because reasons).

So essentially you're picking between leveling up and erasing "questlines" or not leveling up and having a hard(er) time while dealing with combat (mostly) but leaving your investigations intact. It would seem that you can take your investigations up to a point where you exhaust all the info about a certain character (a screen informs you of what that is) and then you can proceed to feed on him/her and hopefully not lose out on anything but the fact remains that you were under-leveled for most that point. As for whether or not this works in contrast to the typical "complete quest, level up, complete harder quest" depends whether the two parts of the game work on their own. That is more subjective that one might think.

Dialogue tends to be condensed as in, you get to meet most of the characters on a sort of hub so you best put aside 1 hour so you can go out exhausting dialogue trees like some sort of chore. Writing is all over the place. It reeks of either having 2 bad writers in a larger group, or worse, having a bad editor. Voice acting is mediocre. The main character misses some of his lines outright on occasion ("drug shortages (...) dealing with them" turns into "drugs shortage (...) dealing with shortages") and I can't for the life of me understand why one of the more important NPCs is voiced by a woman that can't shake her french accent. It's not exactly Deus Ex so bad it's good territory but in all, it's a minor complaint even if a complete disappointment after Life Is Strange. In combat, personally speaking, the worst offense is not empowering the player as a vampire because of the leveling issue. So while in VtMB, merely passable combat becomes entertaining because you're a vampire tanking damage and tearing regular humans apart, in here, decent enough combat where you're timing your dodge and striking back with a reasonable amount of choice in attacks depending on whether you want to do damage, stun to get some blood back or both at once, becomes a chore because you're HP/Stamina bar-gawking most of the time.

Oh and there's also crafting for some fucking reason because if Bethesda games have taught anyone anything is that players love to collect garbage. Haven't seen any SJW shit and any of the examples ITT smack more of bad writing/editing than of pushing "The Agenda" but maybe I'm not "woke" enough.

TL;DR - It's always the same: Pirate it and "support the companies; buy it if you like it!", buddy.
 

Lacrymas

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Tying mechanical attributes to your choices as a vampire is a pretty good move, tbh.
 

Big Wrangle

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One thing I will say, Jonathan's voice actor should consider doing some audiobook stuff. He has the voice for it.
 
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On the PIRACY IS WRONG rating on wyes gull's post, I gotta say this because this is something I really disagree on: Piracy is not wrong if you just want to try the game (or can't buy the game but that's another discussion for another day). Developers have essentially eliminated demos by now, and with no other way to try before you buy piracy has become the one and only way to do that. There's also buying and refunding, but with Steam's very strict 2 hour policy that's a bad way to do it considering some games have a lot of non interactive content during that time and a lot of games need more time to get in the flow of it.
 

Lacrymas

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The hospital is home to some colorful characters, I hope this social circle thing goes somewhere interesting. The game would've been better without an action-based system, though, but that's neither here nor there.
 

Aim1ess

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Characters expressing opinions on women's rights or class privilege in the times when millions of people where involved in women suffrage movemen or labour movement / communist activities must be SJW injecting their views into videogames...

Why so many alt-righters are such imbeciles? Does youtube educayshun turns a normal person into a morron, or do they watch popular alt-right youtubers because they are already braindead?
I don't have problem with this,i dislike that my playable character just preaches about such shit. From all three options there isn't a "go fuck yourself faggot" option,all of them are politely agreeing and encouraging them.
Well... you can kill them.
I wouldn't call that polite.

What is your problem, though? That you can't roleplay a complete shithead? :lol:

Seriously, though, if they allowed you to be in-your-face-negative about these issues in the game, the shitstorm would be epic.
Also, these are the devs of Life Is Strange.
Given those two reasons alone... what did you expect?
Oh i have no problem at all,also i got what expected. I am just having shit throwing conversation on the codex. Seeing a little bit of butthurt from Pretty and a few other,is amusing. I don't hate the game,it is pretty decent for what it is.

As for those characters....well i punish them worst than death :lol:. Still it is shame that games takes away you option of dialogue interactions. It feels that you are just a side character hovering around the protagonist and observing his actions and speeches.

Basically any game without a character creator is going to run into this issue. A single pre-made player character(especially with VO) is going to run into this problem. You already know going in that your options for player choice about the protagonist will be limited. You are more choosing the attitude of the main character or maybe his tactics/strategy rather than his morality or core beliefs.
 

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