Grand Strategy Victoria 3

[Heroic Liberator]

 

[Raghar]

So how is it? Is it a train wreck the same as recent Paradox Rome game? Or is it kinda rehash of Victoria 2, just need MUCH more RAM and CPU power?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

So how is it? Is it a train wreck the same as recent Paradox Rome game? Or is it kinda rehash of Victoria 2, just need MUCH more RAM and CPU power?

Hasn't been released yet.

 

[Raghar]

It's only 9 days to go, there should be some rumors.

 

[HeroMarine]

It's only 9 days to go, there should be some rumors.

So far the expectation is "mods will fix it"

 

[Heroic Liberator]

It's only 9 days to go, there should be some rumors.

Well, as with other recent Paradox titles, it's probably going to be somewhat barebones at release. That aside, biggest gameplay difference from Vicky2 is that they've fully abstracted the war system in favor of just assigning generals & troops to a front and letting the AI battle it out with no player oversight over individual battles. On the other hand, they've expanded the internal politics which is pretty good (although it comes with the caveat that they've added the party system on top of the preexisting IG system because people demanded "muh parties" and that's quite barebones as well).

 

[Harthwain]

That aside, biggest gameplay difference from Vicky2 is that they've fully abstracted the war system in favor of just assigning generals & troops to a front and letting the AI battle it out with no player oversight over individual battles.

So how wars look, exactly? You just create armies and supply them with war material?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

That aside, biggest gameplay difference from Vicky2 is that they've fully abstracted the war system in favor of just assigning generals & troops to a front and letting the AI battle it out with no player oversight over individual battles.

So how wars look, exactly? You just create armies and supply them with war material?

You don't have stockpiles, so you just need to have your war industry already in place. You recruit generals from different areas, you assign troops from those areas to them and then you assign them to a front and select an order (e.g. reckless advance, defense etc etc).

 

[HeroMarine]

No stockpiles wtf
Modding this will be harder than I thought.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

wtf

Yep. If you want a more critical take on Vicky3, I recommend Spudgun's videos (particularly the vids in which he talks about the leak). Guy's staunchly in the pro-war mechanics camp (unsurprisingly since he's a Vicky2 MP enthusiast).

 

[what am i doing]

No stockpiles wtf
Modding this will be harder than I thought.

The economy in general won't have "hard" quantities of resources that are made and consumed; instead it'll be more of a soft system where rates of things are compared.

Probably makes it easier to balance / tune the economy, likely also makes it run better. But it is also less realistic / simulationist.

 

[HeroMarine]

But it is also less realistic / simulationist.

Already feeling I won't enjoy this.

 

[Hace El Oso]

I don’t know if there was much choice, there has to be a kind of elasticity to the system or else you’ll just oscillate wildly between boom and bust in the economy.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

New Iraq AAR.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

 

[Axioms]

Paradox devs are fricking dumb it is unbelievable. The whole kerfluffle with the Civil War a few days ago is just a baldly obvious consequence of making a system driven game. Especially one with a low simulation fidelity like they did. Anything more than 10 or even maybe 5 years into the game is going to be blatantly ahistorical and there is no way to avoid this. They are trying to split the baby. Either you do a historical railroad game or you do a systems driven alternate history game. Can't half ass two things, gotta whole ass one thing.

 

[HeroMarine]

The whole kerfluffle with the Civil War a few days ago

I don't know what's this about. What of it?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

The whole kerfluffle with the Civil War a few days ago

I don't know what's this about. What of it?

Because the alignment of the various states in the civil war is decided by the Landowner IG strength in those areas, you can end up with core northern states becoming part of the seceding CSA and core southern ones remaining part of the US despite it not being historically plausible at all.

 

[Axioms]

Their simulation is roughly 2 orders of magnitude too simple to handle something as unique as the Civil War with a 25 year lead time. There's literally nothing they can do except add railroading. And even then you'd need tons of checks for actions that could make even an event driven Civil War invalid like Mexico invading or a Euro proxy war situation.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

 

[what am i doing]

New Iraq AAR.

For all the issues that the game will probably have, I really do like that uncivs won't have most of the game mechanics locked off the way they do in V2 (which made them really, really boring to play).

 

[Heroic Liberator]

New Iraq AAR.

For all the issues that the game will probably have, I really do like that uncivs won't have most of the game mechanics locked off the way they do in V2 (which made them really, really boring to play).

I'm mostly worried about border gore in North America (i.e. between the US and the British colonies) and dumb wars in the Old World. Did some observer runs in the community patched leak and you get some pretty preposterous stuff like France turning Spain into a protectorate and annexing a few of its southeastern states not even a decade into the game. We'll have to see how the AI is on release.

 

[Fedora Master]

It's gonna be shite

 

[what am i doing]

New Iraq AAR.

For all the issues that the game will probably have, I really do like that uncivs won't have most of the game mechanics locked off the way they do in V2 (which made them really, really boring to play).

I'm mostly worried about border gore in North America (i.e. between the US and the British colonies) and dumb wars in the Old World. Did some observer runs in the community patched leak and you get some pretty preposterous stuff like France turning Spain into a protectorate and annexing a few of its southeastern states not even a decade into the game. We'll have to see how the AI is on release.

As much as that'll likely be a problem, vanilla vicky 2 is also kind of prone to border gore. I think we'll need an HPM equivalent before we get actual borders that make sense. That goes for starting countries too, eg I'm pretty sure vanilla V3 doesn't represent the Baltic Governates as a Russian substate, same as V2, whereas HPM etc represent it correctly as a substate rather than an integral territory, and have it be fully annexed into the Russian Empire only later on in the game to reflect how it was eventually more tightly integrated. I could be wrong, but that's how it looked last time I peeked at the V3 map.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

As much as that'll likely be a problem, vanilla vicky 2 is also kind of prone to border gore. I think we'll need an HPM equivalent before we get actual borders that make sense. That goes for starting countries too, eg I'm pretty sure vanilla V3 doesn't represent the Baltic Governates as a Russian substate, same as V2, whereas HPM etc represent it correctly as a substate rather than an integral territory, and have it be fully annexed into the Russian Empire only later on in the game to reflect how it was eventually more tightly integrated. I could be wrong, but that's how it looked last time I peeked at the V3 map.

Yep, that's how it is. And what's more annoying is that the formable United Baltic Duchy tag doesn't have North German as one of the primary cultures alongside Lithuanian, Latvian and Estonian (arguably it should be the only one, with the others being discriminated depending on the tag's laws) despite the fact that such a project was proposed by the local German nobility rather than by Baltic nationalists.