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Akratus II

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So after finishing Titanicus, for some reason I decided to skip the list of books I've been meaning to read and jump into ADB's Black Legion series. I read the short story Extinction, then the first book Talon of Horus and then the short The Wondermaker but i'm not going to continue the series for now. I had heard a little about the main character in this series and his big titty goth dark eldar gf and I have to say I understand the reputation. This book very much felt the shackles of pre-established lore with ADB's fanfic characters on top of that, making a bad combination that makes sure this book wastes the potential of the Black Legion origin story. I didn't hate it but it's not good. I definitely need a breath of fresh air.
 
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Yep, Mary Sues all around. Plus the fact that the Legions are just as xenophobic as the Imperium, especially so soon after the heresy. And just as xenophobic now. I mean, the best you can see is them using certain Xenos as mercs and that's literally because their religions line up. And it's probably those forces like the Red Corsairs who use them the most out of pragmatism.

Night Lords, Word Bearers, Iron Warriors - I don't think these guys will touch xenos.
 

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Yep. I read it. A good insight to a point into Angron and his petty viciousness.

I mean it's obvious the dude can't lead at that point and really has no business leading. He's broken mentally and emotionally. Plus, all those mind altering bonuses of other primarchs are just NOT there for him. And it's obvious.

His presence is completely uninspiring but the world eaters are so desperate for him to be like the other primarchs they're lying to themselves about him. Especially Kharn.

He seems to hate marines but not humanity. There's a flashback to when he fled the legion once, and he dropped down on a jungle style death world with backwards humans. He lives separate from them in a cave, but has helped the locals by killing monsters in the area. Part of it is him being suicidal but looking for an honorable death, and the other part is him wanting to help people.

Not bad overall. But it definitely shows he's incapable of getting over his trauma, which is entirely the doing of the Butchers nails.
 

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Indeed, I also wonder just how the fuck did a piece of Archeotech manage to conquer and subdue Angron? Primarchs are beings possessing iron wills, the power and drive of demigods.
Perhaps Angron could've controlled the Butcher's Nails and not the other way around. Even so, the fact Emps took him away from his gladiator bros and left them to die already made Angron hate the Emperor.
 

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Indeed, I also wonder just how the fuck did a piece of Archeotech manage to conquer and subdue Angron? Primarchs are beings possessing iron wills, the power and drive of demigods.
Perhaps Angron could've controlled the Butcher's Nails and not the other way around. Even so, the fact Emps took him away from his gladiator bros and left them to die already made Angron hate the Emperor.
The bigger they are the harder it is to bend down and tie their shoelace.
 

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Indeed, I also wonder just how the fuck did a piece of Archeotech manage to conquer and subdue Angron? Primarchs are beings possessing iron wills, the power and drive of demigods.
Perhaps Angron could've controlled the Butcher's Nails and not the other way around. Even so, the fact Emps took him away from his gladiator bros and left them to die already made Angron hate the Emperor.
The bigger they are the harder it is to bend down and tie their shoelace.
Are you speaking of pride?
Sanguinius, for example, showed little pride and no pettiness. A great example is the one when Emps finally came down on Baal. Sanguinius simply kneeled and asked him to spare the lives of his people, as he was their leader and protector.
Dorn spoke openly with Garviel Loken about himself as a Primarch, telling him that his own power and role as a Primarch greatly troubled him.
 

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Indeed, I also wonder just how the fuck did a piece of Archeotech manage to conquer and subdue Angron? Primarchs are beings possessing iron wills, the power and drive of demigods.
Perhaps Angron could've controlled the Butcher's Nails and not the other way around. Even so, the fact Emps took him away from his gladiator bros and left them to die already made Angron hate the Emperor.

A combination of multiple things - the Butcher's Nails are more complex and advanced than anyone really realized. Angron's Nails are basically eating away at his brain and drilling further into it, replacing entire portions of it, because his brain is constantly healing. Additionally, he's a Primarch brain, totally different from a human one. No telling how it will react. This tech is a torture device more than anything and actually replicates itself in his brain, even taking on critical brain functions.

And the truth is, if the Emperor cared to actually fix Angron, he could have, but was already knee deep in the Crusade. Plus, Angron despised him openly and it's unlikely he was willing to help any tool that would eventually turn around and bite him.

On a side note, I also like the concept of some Marines having originated as Thunder Warriors (some like Autek Mor were already rumored to be a former Thunder Warrior turned into one). And those guys would be differentiated by different stats, some additional abilities, etc.
 

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Here's a good channel that does WH40k dramatic lore and other things. This one is about the Inquisition. The acting is top notch.

 

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I hope that they don't do a Space Marine movie/series/whatever. They might be the most recognizable part of the franchise, but they're also its least interesting part.
Depends on the chapter. Or the skill of the author. Helsreach makes the Black Templars very interesting, for example.

It boggles the mind that they chose the Ultramarines to be their "flagship" chapter when the Black Templars basically embody grimdark. Also a successor chapter of the :obviously: Imperial Fists :obviously:

I hope that they don't do a Space Marine movie/series/whatever. They might be the most recognizable part of the franchise, but they're also its least interesting part.
Depends on the chapter. Or the skill of the author. Helsreach makes the Black Templars very interesting, for example.

It boggles the mind that they chose the Ultramarines to be their "flagship" chapter when the Black Templars basically embody grimdark. Also a successor chapter of the :obviously: Imperial Fists :obviously:
The Smurfs strive to make the Imperium as it should be. That is: with minimal grimdark. Doubly so since Papa Smurf is back.
The setting's aesthetic has changed a little bit since the early days of first and second edition (although it's almost 100% unchanged lore-wise, which is amazing internal consistency - compare that to Star Trek and Star Wars). The second edition's influence is quite big, as it was the 'introduction to 40K' for many, solidified the lore, and dominated the 1990s, with tons of Space Marine and Ork miniatures kicking around schools, etc. Black Templars as far as I remember were just another background chapter, probably listed on the 'alternate chapters' page of the second edition Space Marine Codex, rather than appearing prominently on box art, as we see today. Also the setting played more on the 'science fiction' or 'World War II' aspect of it's heritage, so architecture was slightly less gothic, slightly more utilitarian, with more unadorned pillboxes, hydraulic lifts, steel doors, and concrete. I think it leaned more toward exaggerated totalitarianism than always being gothic.

Cover art for second edition, where Blood Angels adorn:

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Some second edition Eldar art work from their Codex:

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Cover art from second edition Dark Millenium expansion:

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Cover art of third edition, where gothic came to the fore:

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A lotta people quite like the 1980s/1990s 'retro' sci-fi aesthetic of second edition, where things were still grimdark, but not quite as gothic, with brighter colours on Mankind's wargear. The Imperial armour and vehicles had a more 'Ripley's fork-lift from Aliens' feel, with things like striped hazard paint, etc. However there have been 7 editions since, so hyper-detailed miniatures, gothic art, etc, is now the established aesthetic since 3rd edition re-tooled the miniatures, with more spikes and ridges.

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I think Ultramarine's prominence somewhat comes from that early era, as a holdover; they were 'Starship Troopers'. Blue is an easy colour scheme, plus Ultramarines fit the 'generic' Aliens-style colonial marines most. However I think several chapters share their fame now. It used to be 1). Ultramarines, 2). Blood Angels, 3). Dark Angels and 4). Space Wolves. Now you could add other first-founding chapters, plus some second founding ones, specialists, etc - 5). Black Templars and 6). Grey Knights.

Behold, actual grass:

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I like the era. Not saying I always want this, as the modern aesthetic is good, turned up to 11 for laughs, but occasionally there should be some incorporated visual aspects of wargear that serves as acknowledgement that Warhammer 40,000 is actually a sci-fi setting, not a medieval fantasy; so maybe sometimes you are showing dioramas of a Space Marine being annointed among the flying 'cherubim' servitors, but also sometimes there is a Space Marine using a using a sci-fi scanning device amongst clean alpine trees leading a tank column (because not every Imperial planet is Stalingrad meets the Vatican). The right balance isn't always struck to give the setting a living feeling. 40K planets also have un-damaged pill boxes, commie block high rise flats, public parks, etc.
 

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What's the state of Warhammer fantasy? A lot of people didn't like Age of Sigmar. What new things will come in 2023?
Age of Sigmar is currently in its third edition, with army books from the second edition currently being updated, with a roadmap being known up to summer 2023.

As for Fantasy, it's still gone. GW did announce that they would release Warhammer: The Old World to cash in on the success of Total Warhammer continue its story in a parallel game line, but they announced it three years ago and we still know very little.
 

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I'm not sure of what the tabletop community wants, but personally I wish they would just retcon/ignore most of End Times and keep Fantasy as it was. Given the popularity of Total War and Vermintide, they'd be stupid to abandon the Old World to focus on AoS.

It is funny that fans have asked GW to move their storylines for decades, and when they finally do, the fans hate it. 40k's current events do seem very similar to End Times, and I for one hope it doesn't go the way that End Times did.
 

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I'm not sure of what the tabletop community wants, but personally I wish they would just retcon/ignore most of End Times and keep Fantasy as it was. Given the popularity of Total War and Vermintide, they'd be stupid to abandon the Old World to focus on AoS.

It is funny that fans have asked GW to move their storylines for decades, and when they finally do, the fans hate it. 40k's current events do seem very similar to End Times, and I for one hope it doesn't go the way that End Times did.

GW had to change things in 40K as a result of the Chapterhouse ruling that put GW in their place concerning the trademark claims for names like space marines etc... to protect their stolen IP is to do what they're doing now. The problem is that none of the people at GW have the skill needed to do it gracefully as the original creators are largely gone from the company. They've been replaced by talentless SJW grifters.
 

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Saw this while looking at new official artwork, and wtf, it almost looks AI-generated.

Also is that space Skaven in the lower left? I, for one, would be down for the degeneracy of porting over the ratmen.

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Penultimate Siege of Terra novel has apparently leaked online. Just a heads up.
Sanguinius confronts the Emperor and dies, Emperor charges up and murderfucks Horus' soul out of existence, then almost dies. Rogal Dorn finds him, puts him on the Golden Throne and the heretics are chased off. Now shit really starts to go down south.
 

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