Warhammer Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[lightbane]

An example of the lore universe constantly being downscaled is the T'au even being worth mentioning altogether. They have something like 100 developed worlds, the IOM has countless worlds in the truest sense of the word countless.

But they have totally awesome tech!

... That while it may be slightly better than humie variants, if the Adeptus Mechanicus took them seriously, the T'au would be annihilated instantly. Only their plot-armor (everyone is always too busy to pay attention to them) and annoying weaponry saves them.
One thing I found common so far in the pnp games and some of the computer games is that Tau adversaries are stronger than they should: If you let them get into firing range, they will take down even space marines with their rapid fire ion guns. Period.
It's both amusing and annoying that a squad of blue guys with rapid fire energy guns are equally as dangerous or even more than say a bunch of demonic space marines with centuries of battle experience.

Bolter Bitches can marry, actually.

What?
Don't they all take a Vow of Celibacy?

Depends on the writer I guess, but I read that nope, they CAN marry. They have to get more recruits somehow, after all. They also don't have to dye their hair white.
In the pnp books this was also touched upon. There are several orders of Sororitas with different functions, some working in civilian roles and thus with little pressure upon them.

 

[Camel]

One thing I found common so far in the pnp games and some of the computer games is that Tau adversaries are stronger than they should: If you let them get into firing range, they will take down even space marines with their rapid fire ion guns. Period.
It's both amusing and annoying that a squad of blue guys with rapid fire energy guns are equally as dangerous or even more than say a bunch of demonic space marines with centuries of battle experience.

The Tau gun line of the Fire warriors with mecha like Riptides is deadly on the tabletop.

 

[Trithne]

An example of the lore universe constantly being downscaled is the T'au even being worth mentioning altogether. They have something like 100 developed worlds, the IOM has countless worlds in the truest sense of the word countless.

But they have totally awesome tech!

... That while it may be slightly better than humie variants, if the Adeptus Mechanicus took them seriously, the T'au would be annihilated instantly. Only their plot-armor (everyone is always too busy to pay attention to them) and annoying weaponry saves them.
One thing I found common so far in the pnp games and some of the computer games is that Tau adversaries are stronger than they should: If you let them get into firing range, they will take down even space marines with their rapid fire ion guns. Period.
It's both amusing and annoying that a squad of blue guys with rapid fire energy guns are equally as dangerous or even more than say a bunch of demonic space marines with centuries of battle experience.

There's nothing wrong with that. Space Marines aren't actually unkillable gods, and the Tau technology is advanced. The Tau are a lesser race and that's fine. The idea that "The Imperium would just bring all its weight to bear and crush the Tau utterly without even thinking about it" is the problem idea, because it assumes the Imperium can organise that.

The Imperium is not a Monolith. It's honestly a dysfunctional nightmare of planetary and sector governors who have their own varying ambitions and levels of influence, barely held together by the Administratum. The books talk all the time about the fact that the Imperium can't keep track of its own resources, with entire regiments of Imperium Guard being literally forgotten and left wherever they were last deployed, and hopefully they scheduled food deliveries.

Within the scope of where the Tau are, they're fine. Trying to treat the Tau like they're some galaxy-level power player is not.

 

[Parsimonious cook]

Bolter Bitches can marry, actually.

What?
Don't they all take a Vow of Celibacy?

Depends on the writer I guess, but I read that nope, they CAN marry. They have to get more recruits somehow, after all. They also don't have to dye their hair white.
In the pnp books this was also touched upon. There are several orders of Sororitas with different functions, some working in civilian roles and thus with little pressure upon them.

Well the Orders Militant (ie the Battle Sisters) are only a part of the organisation - logically the most visible one. There are many other branches, for example:

Sisters Dialogus (translators specialised in various human languages and sometimes even in xeno ones, also in cryptology and related sciences)
Sisters Hospitaler (doctors)
Sisters Famulous (literally Bene Gesserit - spies and advisors to high ranking nobility, among other things help select brides and grooms for best marriages)
Sisters Sabine (missionaries who specialise in converting newly discovered worlds to Imperial Creed)
Sisters Pronatus (collectors and protectors of relics)

There are many others too...

It should be noted that Argenta herself is not a Battle Sister, but Sister Pronatus as well (her original mission was to protect reliquary on Footfall) - even the non-militant sisters go through military training. As for hair color, it depends on the order most likely, but there were different hair colors already in the Codex Witchhunters - the white hair are probably most popular because thats what Order of Our Martyred Lady does and they are what Ultramarines are to the Space Marines - ie the default faction. Majority of Orders Militant seem to color their hair black. In the current Codex Adepta Sororitas there are individual sisters even with blond or red hair as well.

As for marriage - this is the first time I hear this tbh fam. Sisters recruit from Schola Progenium (ie boys fit for military service tend to become Stormtroopers and Commissars, girls go to Adepta Sororitas), so I wouldnt say that they need to get married for that reason. From what I remember ever reading, they were supposed to be nuns - so no fucking what so ever. Of course that doesnt necessarily get followed all the time (after all there are Sisters Repentia and other ways of extreme punishment for those who fail to live up to the rules - that must be for a reason), but getting officially married seems like taking things a bit too far. If you remember sauce on this that would be great.

 

[jml]

In one of the Ciaphas Cain books one Sister of Battle had affair with fellow teacher in Schola but other than that i haven't come across of any mention of them having affair's or marriages.

 

[NecroLord]

The Imperium is not a Monolith. It's honestly a dysfunctional nightmare of planetary and sector governors who have their own varying ambitions and levels of influence, barely held together by the Administratum. The books talk all the time about the fact that the Imperium can't keep track of its own resources, with entire regiments of Imperium Guard being literally forgotten and left wherever they were last deployed, and hopefully they scheduled food deliveries

You are right.
Now that Robooty Guillotine is up and running, maybe, just maybe the Imperium will get itself back on track. Really, he is one of the best things to have happened to the Imperium in a really long time. However, there is a lot more centralization going on, since the High Lords of Terra are a bunch of incompetent fucks.
Roboute must become more and more like the Emperor in order to rule effectively, oh, the irony.

 

[Trithne]

The Imperium is not a Monolith. It's honestly a dysfunctional nightmare of planetary and sector governors who have their own varying ambitions and levels of influence, barely held together by the Administratum. The books talk all the time about the fact that the Imperium can't keep track of its own resources, with entire regiments of Imperium Guard being literally forgotten and left wherever they were last deployed, and hopefully they scheduled food deliveries

You are right.
Now that Robooty Guillotine is up and running, maybe, just maybe the Imperium will get itself back on track. Really, he is one of the best things to have happened to the Imperium in a really long time. However, there is a lot more centralization going on, since the High Lords of Terra are a bunch of incompetent fucks.
Roboute must become more and more like the Emperor in order to rule effectively, oh, the irony.

Good for the Inperium, but trash for the setting as a whole. It's moving more and more away from British dark satire and an open-ended universe into American war fantasy.

 

[lightbane]

One thing I found common so far in the pnp games and some of the computer games is that Tau adversaries are stronger than they should: If you let them get into firing range, they will take down even space marines with their rapid fire ion guns. Period.
It's both amusing and annoying that a squad of blue guys with rapid fire energy guns are equally as dangerous or even more than say a bunch of demonic space marines with centuries of battle experience.

The Tau gun line of the Fire warriors with mecha like Riptides is deadly on the tabletop.

I suppose so, but it's still annoying, because the hyper-advanced Eldar have weird shit such as battle dancers instead of boring discount Gundams.

here's nothing wrong with that. Space Marines aren't actually unkillable gods, and the Tau technology is advanced. The Tau are a lesser race and that's fine. The idea that "The Imperium would just bring all its weight to bear and crush the Tau utterly without even thinking about it" is the problem idea, because it assumes the Imperium can organise that.

Why wouldn't it? It has just done that against other xenos just fine. If not the Imperium, the orks, the Tyranids, etc. Would eat the Tau without issue, if it wasn't for the plot armor.

If you remember sauce on this that would be great.

In one of the Ciaphas Cain books one Sister of Battle had affair with fellow teacher in Schola but other than that i haven't come across of any mention of them having affair's or marriages.

That's what I was going to say, but I haven't read that book yet, so I dunno.

 

[Zero Credibility]

In one of the Ciaphas Cain books one Sister of Battle had affair with fellow teacher in Schola but other than that i haven't come across of any mention of them having affair's or marriages.

The Inquisitor also states that contrary to popular belief sisters are not actually required to be celibate. The sister and the teacher do both hide this affair though, so it might still be a taboo of sort.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Unsurprising the codex is full of tau Mary Sue lovers.

 

[ArchAngel]

Unsurprising the codex is full of tau Mary Sue lovers.

Apparently Tau battle armors are at least as advanced as Space Marine ones and they got way more of them and can mass produce more.

 

[Peachcurl]

In one of the Ciaphas Cain books one Sister of Battle had affair with fellow teacher in Schola but other than that i haven't come across of any mention of them having affair's or marriages.

If I remember correctly, that's a secret affair, which Cain suspects because of their behavior. He doesn't have (or seeks) irrefutable proof for this.

 

[Peachcurl]

Unsurprising the codex is full of tau Mary Sue lovers.

It's a shame your avatar only has that single straw in his mouth.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Unsurprising the codex is full of tau Mary Sue lovers.

It's a shame your avatar only has that single straw in his mouth.

"t-t-they're not mary sue! they're just space communists who have technology more advanced than the IOM and are better in every way despite having only a handful of worlds!!!!!"
yea ok

 

[rusty_shackleford]

just to give you an idea of what the average t*u lover cares about:

"n-n-no that's biased towards your searches!!!!"
it's from tor

 

[Peachcurl]

Strawman will strawman.

 

[Reinhardt]

fuck tau

 

[rusty_shackleford]

fuck tau

tau of course have an ultra mary sue race that can just eat the orks and gain all the powers of orks

 

[Reinhardt]

fuck tau

tau of course have an ultra mary sue race that can just eat the orks and gain all the powers of orks

will they gain loyalty to da emprah too?

 

[Cryomancer]

Tau = space commies

More important than a orc genocide is an tau genocide.

My wishlist for this game :

1. Cool psyker gameplay
2. Tau genocide
3. Orc genocide
4. Cool chaos path

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Cool psyker

Oxymoron

 

[Reinhardt]

why both 1 and 4 are "lots of ghey sex"?

 

[ArchAngel]

Tau = space commies

More important than a orc genocide is an tau genocide.

My wishlist for this game :

1. Cool psyker gameplay
2. Tau genocide
3. Orc genocide
4. Cool chaos path

Why would you want to genocide glorious Dakka Dakka.
After SM, Orkz are coolest faction in WH40k

 

[Cryomancer]

genocide glorious Dakka Dakka.

Tau = Space commies.

This is why every single one of them deserve to DIE. Same for orcs

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Eh, closer to Space Imperial Chinese / Confucians.
Commies don't have a monopoly on a collectivism.