Warhammer Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader - turn-based Warhammer 40k RPG from Owlcat Games - now with Void Shadows DLC

[scytheavatar]

PoE/Deadfire tries to solve this by only allowing buffs in combat

Which is RIDICULOUS. And lead monsters to lose a lot of interesting abilities.

Imo if the party is in a undead crypt, spells like negative plane protection are a necessity. If is fine for a group to buy antidote before going into a poisonous swamp, why casting magical protection against poisons isn't fine? If you take it out from pcs, poison end up being less powerful as they can't protect themselves from it. You end up punishing preparation and makes no sense.

In wh40k Owlcat could have made having too much buffs from psyker being too dangerous to be worthy using endless buffs.

It's not ridiculous when the buffs have short duration which they do in PoE. You want to cast them precisely at the moment they're needed to maximize their usefulness and avoid wasting any of their brief duration which is measured in dozens of seconds at best.

Too high a cost in action econ. Some interesting tactics involved in letting fight come to you but overall an overcorrect.

That's the whole point. Buffs should not be free power, if they are then there's no reason not to use them and they are too OP. Buffs then become ticking a checklist before combat starts rather than something with tactical consideration. If buffs have a cost and there are reasons not to use them then there would actually be depth and meaning in the use of buffs.

 

[Cryomancer]

It's not ridiculous when the buffs have short duration which they do in PoE. You want to cast them precisely at the moment they're needed to maximize their usefulness and avoid wasting any of their brief duration which is measured in dozens of seconds at best.

Too high a cost in action econ. Some interesting tactics involved in letting fight come to you but overall an overcorrect.

That's the whole point. Buffs should not be free power, if they are then there's no reason not to use them and they are too OP. Buffs then become ticking a checklist before combat starts rather than something with tactical consideration. If buffs have a cost and there are reasons not to use them then there would actually be depth and meaning in the use of buffs.

Consistency of lore and mechanics >>>>> "tactics".

This obsession with balance and gamey stuff lead to the creation of 4e and 4e clones everywhere.

 

[Harthwain]

This obsession with balance and gamey stuff lead to the creation of 4e and 4e clones everywhere.

But he is right - not having a cost means this choice is superior to any other. It's like having a free move: why would you not want it? And how do you provide something of equal value to make this a choice and not a no-brainer? In order to make builds interesting, they have to offer something, instead of being noob traps.

 

[Owlcat_Eyler]

Will this only have one season pass? Or is there more DLC planned?

Given their DLC model for WotR, I'm assuming that it depends on how well those two associated with the current season pass will sell.

Paging Owlcat_Eyler in case he can confirm though.

1 season pass, 2 DLCs, and more are not planned

 

[Heroic Liberator]

1 season pass, 2 DLCs, and more are not planned

Any plans for an enhanced edition once you finish with the season pass then?

 

[Owlcat_Eyler]

1 season pass, 2 DLCs, and more are not planned

Any plans for an enhanced edition once you finish with the season pass then?

We didn't think about it yet

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Will this only have one season pass? Or is there more DLC planned?

Given their DLC model for WotR, I'm assuming that it depends on how well those two associated with the current season pass will sell.

Paging Owlcat_Eyler in case he can confirm though.

1 season pass, 2 DLCs, and more are not planned

If they are not planned why mention them?

 

[Yosharian]

That's the whole point. Buffs should not be free power, if they are then there's no reason not to use them and they are too OP. Buffs then become ticking a checklist before combat starts rather than something with tactical consideration. If buffs have a cost and there are reasons not to use them then there would actually be depth and meaning in the use of buffs.

Yes I agree, this should be the goal of any system that's trying to balance/fix buffs.

 

[Cryomancer]

not having a cost means this choice is superior to any other. It's like having a free move: why would you not want it? And how do you provide something of equal value to make this a choice and not a no-brainer?

Again spells should fit the setting. In case of 40k Ai would make so each round with warp speed on requires a harsher and harder thoughtness check or inflict injuries, such system wouldn't make any sense in other setting.

 

[Owlcat_Eyler]

Will this only have one season pass? Or is there more DLC planned?

Given their DLC model for WotR, I'm assuming that it depends on how well those two associated with the current season pass will sell.

Paging Owlcat_Eyler in case he can confirm though.

1 season pass, 2 DLCs, and more are not planned

If they are not planned why mention them?

I mean we don't plan other than two DLCs(Void Shadows and Lex Imperialis) that are part of Season Pass. Nothing else was mentioned

 

[Owlcat_Eyler]

No, sorry guys, my bad. It seems I was mistaken about this question . It's not set in stone whether there will be other season passes or DLCs

 

[Heroic Liberator]

No, sorry guys, my bad. It seems I was mistaken about this question . It's not set in stone whether there will be other season passes or DLCs

The more DLC, the merrier.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

No, sorry guys, my bad. It seems I was mistaken about this question . It's not set in stone whether there will be other season passes or DLCs

I feel accidentally vindicated now.

 

[Owlcat_Eyler]

No, sorry guys, my bad. It seems I was mistaken about this question . It's not set in stone whether there will be other season passes or DLCs

I feel accidentally vindicated now.

I am sorry

 

[Camel]

1 season pass, 2 DLCs, and more are not planned

Why would anyone need a season pass with only two DLCs?

 

[user]

PoE/Deadfire tries to solve this by only allowing buffs in combat

Which is RIDICULOUS. And lead monsters to lose a lot of interesting abilities.

Imo if the party is in a undead crypt, spells like negative plane protection are a necessity. If is fine for a group to buy antidote before going into a poisonous swamp, why casting magical protection against poisons isn't fine? If you take it out from pcs, poison end up being less powerful as they can't protect themselves from it. You end up punishing preparation and makes no sense.

In wh40k Owlcat could have made having too much buffs from psyker being too dangerous to be worthy using endless buffs.

It's not ridiculous when the buffs have short duration which they do in PoE. You want to cast them precisely at the moment they're needed to maximize their usefulness and avoid wasting any of their brief duration which is measured in dozens of seconds at best.

Too high a cost in action econ. Some interesting tactics involved in letting fight come to you but overall an overcorrect.

That's the whole point. Buffs should not be free power, if they are then there's no reason not to use them and they are too OP. Buffs then become ticking a checklist before combat starts rather than something with tactical consideration. If buffs have a cost and there are reasons not to use them then there would actually be depth and meaning in the use of buffs.

I love pre-buffing. I love having multiple minute buffs and managing my resource economy (as long as there is some limitation on rest) as well as my action economy in battle. I love when my buff slowly becomes something that is semi-permanent due to increased CLs. I love the flavor of the power of a spellcaster reflected on these buffs. Fuck Deadfire.

 

[Cryomancer]

No, sorry guys, my bad. It seems I was mistaken about this question . It's not set in stone whether there will be other season passes or DLCs

Any chance of telepathy coming in a DLC?

 

[user]

No, sorry guys, my bad. It seems I was mistaken about this question . It's not set in stone whether there will be other season passes or DLCs

The game is made of magnificent stuff. If only it was in a better state at release and its last chapters were more fleshed out. Nothing else in WH would hold a candle to it. Hope you make more stuff in this IP.

 

[MjKorz]

No, sorry guys, my bad. It seems I was mistaken about this question . It's not set in stone whether there will be other season passes or DLCs

The game is made of magnificent stuff. If only it was in a better state at release and its last chapters were more fleshed out. Nothing else in WH would hold a candle to it. Hope you make more stuff in this IP.

The game is made of contempt for their own playerbase, rushed out in an unplayable state on release only so that Owlclowns could capitalize on the BG3 hype, with game system design so horrible they're now backpedalling on core combat design philosophy of turn-stacking and alpha striking. Total Warhammer, Mordheim and Dawn of War 1&2 mog it into a living death.

 

[Harthwain]

rushed out in an unplayable state on release only so that Owlclowns could capitalize on the BG3 hype

"BG3 hype" had nothing to do with releasing Rogue Trader in terrible state.

The real reason to rush the game out in 2023 was because there was an announcement that games made in Unity engine will have only a set number of free installations and each installation above that will have to be paid for by the developers (or something along these lines). This change was supposed to go live in 2024. Hence the release happening in December of 2023.

Frankly, I won't be surprised if Unity engine ends up being abandoned by the majority of developers as a result.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

rushed out in an unplayable state on release only so that Owlclowns could capitalize on the BG3 hype

"BG3 hype" had nothing to do with releasing Rogue Trader in terrible state.

It's just a typical Owlcat release.

Spoiler

 

[MjKorz]

The real reason to rush the game out in 2023 was because there was an announcement that games made in Unity engine will have only a set number of free installations and each installation above that will have to be paid for by the developers

They backpedalled on that nonsense ASAP after the backlash. The real reason was simple: Owlclown greed, desire to sell extra copies while riding the BG3 hype, because their playerbase is "used to" their buggy garbage releases.

 

[Harthwain]

The real reason was simple: Owlclown greed, desire to sell extra copies while riding the BG3 hype

 

[scytheavatar]

rushed out in an unplayable state on release only so that Owlclowns could capitalize on the BG3 hype

"BG3 hype" had nothing to do with releasing Rogue Trader in terrible state.

The real reason to rush the game out in 2023 was because there was an announcement that games made in Unity engine will have only a set number of free installations and each installation above that will have to be paid for by the developers (or something along these lines). This change was supposed to go live in 2024. Hence the release happening in December of 2023.

Frankly, I won't be surprised if Unity engine ends up being abandoned by the majority of developers as a result.

Owlcat already made it clear that their future games will be a mix of Unity and Unreal, it seems they are not planning to abandon Unity. At least completely.

 

[MjKorz]

To put things into perspective why the unity excuse doesn't fly: initial announcement was made on September 12, backpedalling (severe changes to the runtime fee policy) occurred on September 22.