Game News Warhorse's Kingdom Come: Deliverance Is Now on Kickstarter

[I_am_Ian]

If Steam is a butt plug then GOG is a fleshlight.

 

[NotAGolfer]

Someone should make sure to check whether the stuff Vavra nitpicked about will be taken care of in his own hiking simulator.

Is there a translated version somewhere?
Amd is that list congruent to what he answered in that 'dex interview posted by Zed about a year ago?

I guess I'm not alone when I worry about one particular answer in the interview:

To touch on one of the Codex' favorite subjects: what do you think makes an RPG? In the context of open world games, the line between simulation/adventure and RPG seems quite blurry. What makes Warhorse RPG qualify as an RPG, for instance?

Years ago, when we played pen and paper, our goal was to experience something and make it as real as possible. The rules were the tools to make sure that the “simulation” would be accurate. When the computer RPGs started to appear, the premise was the same: I want to simulate how it is to be a knight wandering in a huge world, doing various stuff. The computers were not powerful enough, so a lot of stuff had to be left to the imagination and some kind of simulation based on numbers, luck and probabilities instead of real skill. I would say that the RPG rules and all those stats are just the means to simulate the world. RPG is an attempt for an ultimate simulation, that includes even the growth of the character and other things that are not visible.

Today, computers are powerful enough for accurate real-time visuals with all the simulation calculated in the background, and the controls are so sophisticated that it's possible to make very accurate skill-based simulation of combat or movement. So the RPG is no more about the dices and stats—it could be completely skill-based and it will finally resemble the real world as we all desired back in the days of pen and paper. Of course, a lot of people who are used to old rules or don’t like skill-based video games will not like it, but that's not important. Of course, you can still have character progression, and it's necessary to display it through stats, because you can't feel that your videogame character is hungry or feels pain and how much. Stats are also needed for things like the simulation of intelligence, persuasion or speech, because voice and face recognition is not up there for AI to recognize if you are lying or how you grimace as your speak in-game. So we have to simulate that through some stats and virtual dice throws. But one day, the ideal RPG should be like the famous Star Trek Holodeck. For me it's about that. Simply put, RPG is about role-playing in a complex world with lot of possibilities and about the development of my character. The more real it is, the better.

Of course, you can still have character progression ...
Of course, you can still have character progression ...
Of course, you can still have character progression ...

Only minor and unimportant stuff being simulated by stats and dice rolls. Doesn't seem like what I'd call an RPG at all. Mafia, Operation Flashpoint and games like that are no RPGs, no matter how good they are at simulating character interaction with the game world (Mafia wasn't btw, still a great FPS).

 

[WhiteGuts]

 

[Xeon]

At 07:58. Does that mean you can't play the full game as female but only some parts? Also recovering your health in 5 seconds after chugging the potion or something is kinda magical.

 

[Tigranes]

Female was always going to be a specific part not the full game, go look at the KS page.

 

[Xeon]

Thanks.

Edit:
Just read it, from the Stretch Goals. So it is kinda of a quest line and not from the start of the game or something. I think at least.

 

[Paul_cz]

I think it might be a prologue or something like that.

 

[Suchy]

FPP - Yay
Open world - Yay
Non-fantasy - Yay
Historical setting - Yay
Focus on realism - Yay
Chapter 1 only (30h) - Nay
Map size 9 square km, seems rather small - Nay
Writing/story/quests - ??? | If the writing is on similar level as Mafia/Mafia 2, then yay.
Combat - ??? | I liked the bits I saw, hoping for at least Mount & Blade style.

Yay to Nay ratio - 5:2.
Backed.

 

[Paul_cz]

New update about horse riding with czech version of J.E. Sawyer (in looks, not in expertise) narrating:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMs8TgRcs_0

 

[Burning Bridges]

Also recovering your health in 5 seconds after chugging the potion or something is kinda magical.

C'mon you cannot hold this against him. He seems to understand the problem very well, and he even had to remind that annoying woman that alchemy was mostly real science and early chemistry, not some sort of superstition (as she seems to believe). He's one of the very few game developers who got his knowledge from books and thoughts of his own, not from TV and popular myths.

How this is going to translate into the game I don't know, but among the things alchemists discovered were black powder, china, phosphor, acids and methods to extract elements like gold.
And there of course there were many home grown products like alcohol, drugs or tinder.

And by the way if you didn't know, phosphor was extracted from piss.

 

[kazgar]

New update about horse riding with czech version of J.E. Sawyer (in looks, not in expertise) narrating:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMs8TgRcs_0

MANE PHYSICS.

 

[WhiteGuts]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1294225970/kingdom-come-deliverance/posts/741287

Tournament mode
We are proud of the innovative combat in Kingdome Come: Deliverance. While our title is primarily a story-based game, the combat mechanics are very deep for those that are interested in seriously honing their skills. We want to give you a chance to do just that.

If we reach this stretch goal, we shall add a special Tournament mode, where you can don any equipment you like, choose your opponent or opponents and enter a medieval Tournament and try to win by authentic rules. There will be several combat modes and you can use them as a training as well as a way of earning bragging rights with your buddies.

 

[GarfunkeL]

What is the problem with Steam? Seems great to me....

Codex is a weird place at times.

You don't own games that need Steam. You only rent them, and the rental service, can pull the plug at any time they wish. I have a virtual image of all my GB games, sitting safely on an external USB-drive, for the semi-annual Gold Box replay marathon. I will be able to keep replaying those games until I die. Same with Gamersgate and GOG - you can download the installers/images for yourself and you actually own the games, not to mention that you don't get bloated spyware on your machine, so that Gabe's minions can further calculate gamer statistics to sell to publishers for market research purposes. Obviously such things do not matter to the typical "gamer", who has a 600 Steam game "library", most of which he hasn't even installed and many only played for a few hours. It's perfectly fine to be Gabe's little bitch, just don't try to preach that it's the best thing ever. Hell, I dropped Paradox when they went Steam-exclusive and I used to be one their biggest fanboys, for years and years.

He's pushing that "historical accuracy" bullshit like it's a big selling point of the game.

It is.

 

[tuluse]

You don't own games that need Steam. You only rent them, and the rental service, can pull the plug at any time they wish. I have a virtual image of all my GB games, sitting safely on an external USB-drive, for the semi-annual Gold Box replay marathon. I will be able to keep replaying those games until I die. Same with Gamersgate and GOG - you can download the installers/images for yourself and you actually own the games, not to mention that you don't get bloated spyware on your machine, so that Gabe's minions can further calculate gamer statistics to sell to publishers for market research purposes. Obviously such things do not matter to the typical "gamer", who has a 600 Steam game "library", most of which he hasn't even installed and many only played for a few hours. It's perfectly fine to be Gabe's little bitch, just don't try to preach that it's the best thing ever. Hell, I dropped Paradox when they went Steam-exclusive and I used to be one their biggest fanboys, for years and years.


It is.

There are lots of steam games which do not have DRM actually.

Educate yourself: http://steam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games

 

[GarfunkeL]

Huh, didn't know that. So I could make my own virtual images of those things. Though I would still have to install Steam to be able to download, install, and run them that one time, so thanks but no thanks.

 

[Burning Bridges]

Also don't forget that some of us do actual work with their computers and won't install every shitty middleware that has a monopol on some game.#

I may actually make an exception and fund Kingdom, even though that means I have to crack it later.
But I don't intend to run Steam ever.

 

[evdk]

Also don't forget that some of us do actual work with their computers

That is a weird non sequitur.

 

[Burning Bridges]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[DeepOcean]

You don't own games that need Steam. You only rent them, and the rental service, can pull the plug at any time they wish. I have a virtual image of all my GB games, sitting safely on an external USB-drive, for the semi-annual Gold Box replay marathon. I will be able to keep replaying those games until I die. Same with Gamersgate and GOG - you can download the installers/images for yourself and you actually own the games, not to mention that you don't get bloated spyware on your machine, so that Gabe's minions can further calculate gamer statistics to sell to publishers for market research purposes. Obviously such things do not matter to the typical "gamer", who has a 600 Steam game "library", most of which he hasn't even installed and many only played for a few hours. It's perfectly fine to be Gabe's little bitch, just don't try to preach that it's the best thing ever. Hell, I dropped Paradox when they went Steam-exclusive and I used to be one their biggest fanboys, for years and years.

I buy my games through Steam not because I care about achievements or seeing a neat list of my games but because I like to pay when I think the product is worth the money and Steam is the most convinient way of doing it (especially with it being the only service working with brazillian monopoly money). Man, had you ever heard of RELOADED, Skidrow and Razor 1911? If you download a game from them and put a little crack over the .exe file you get the same thing Steam, GoG or Gamersgate sell (unless you want to play multiplayer that I don't give a shit). If steam go bust, I can have all my games back on a day if I want and give a crap about replaying them. About Steam being spyware, if when you start your computer, there is a windows logo on it, know that Microsoft is selling your ass to NSA. If you use google, gmail, yahoo, facebook, they are all selling your ass to the NSA.

You are saying that I don't "own" my games because they can disapear from a virtual list? Man I used to pirate all my games and didn't gave a crap to steam or any other digital distribution service until I decided to stop being a douchebag and send some money back for my games. I can easily return to my previous behavior if steam go bust. If steam was always online crap, I would understand the butthurt feeling but offline mode works pretty well for me.

 

[Burning Bridges]

So you're saying we should back games on kickstarter and then pirate them? Where is the point in that?

 

[Rake]

So you're saying we should back games on kickstarter and then pirate them? Where is the point in that?

You pay for the game if you think it's worth it, and you still don't download each company's spyware. I do it with all games that have DRM and care to pay for, just with physical copies instead of Steam.

 

[DeepOcean]

So you're saying we should back games on kickstarter and then pirate them? Where is the point in that?

Well you send money for the developer when you kickstart, if you pirate his game later, he already has your money so no harm done. If you hate steam so much, you can just get rid of it with a crack. I have backups of all the games I care to keep (honestly, very few).

 

[Xi]

This looks fantastic!

 

[Burning Bridges]

The more I think about this, the more absurd it is. I am not going to spent 30€ if I already intend to download an illegal, cracked copy with all the problems it entails. Of course I could pay for things that I will have to crack later, but what's the benefit if I don't skip that part? Use your head people. They must decide themselves if they have to make this Steam exclusive, and they can go on with this if it is, but for some people it will be an important decision nonetheless.

 

[Gakkone]

The more I think about this, the more absurd it is. I am not going to spent 30€ if I already intend to download an illegal, cracked copy with all the problems it entails. Of course I could pay for things that I will have to crack later, but what's the benefit if I don't skip that part? Use your head people. They must decide themselves if they have to make this Steam exclusive, and they can go on with this if it is, but for some people it will be an important decision nonetheless.

Kickstarter is for helping developers get funding. If you're not interested in that you shouldn't buy a game via Kickstarter anyway.