Game News Warhorse's Kingdom Come: Deliverance Is Now on Kickstarter

[GarfunkeL]

Yeah, I'd rather not support Steam at all. A principle thing. I know, stupid as fuck. But I'm not paying for a Steam game so that I can pirate it with a good conscience.

I would understand the butthurt feeling but offline mode works pretty well for me.

Sure it does. That's a cold comfort to those people that don't get it working "pretty well". I've read enough horror stories.

 

[Burning Bridges]

The more I think about this, the more absurd it is. I am not going to spent 30€ if I already intend to download an illegal, cracked copy with all the problems it entails. Of course I could pay for things that I will have to crack later, but what's the benefit if I don't skip that part? Use your head people. They must decide themselves if they have to make this Steam exclusive, and they can go on with this if it is, but for some people it will be an important decision nonetheless.

Kickstarter is for helping developers get funding. If you're not interested in that you shouldn't buy a game via Kickstarter anyway.

But that's the problem. Of course I want to support the development, but I want to do it without installing some shitty fucking middleware from a third party, on purely commercial grounds. Quid pro quo, eh? Forced Steam installation is nothing else than these useless toolbars that you have to tick off when you install freeware, just with the difference that you cannot even tick it off.

 

[Gakkone]

The more I think about this, the more absurd it is. I am not going to spent 30€ if I already intend to download an illegal, cracked copy with all the problems it entails. Of course I could pay for things that I will have to crack later, but what's the benefit if I don't skip that part? Use your head people. They must decide themselves if they have to make this Steam exclusive, and they can go on with this if it is, but for some people it will be an important decision nonetheless.

Kickstarter is for helping developers get funding. If you're not interested in that you shouldn't buy a game via Kickstarter anyway.

But that's the problem. Of course I want to support the development, but I want to do it without installing some shitty middleware on purely commercial grounds. Forced Steam installation is nothing else than these useless toolbars that you have to tick off when you install freeware, just with the difference that you cannot even tick it off.

Quid pro quo, eh?

Then why is pirating or cracking the game a problem? You say you don't want to spend money and then download an illegal copy but why does it matter if the money goes to the developers anyhow?

 

[Burning Bridges]

Because I'm not a schmuck. I don't pay for a ticket and then enter from the back entrance. First of all torrenting a game you bought is just as illegal and fucked up as if you pirate them right away. Second if you play a lot you also want the best mods and patches and that usually does not go well with cracks. In the long run there are always some advantages of running a legal copy. If I put up with that I might as well do it 30€ richer.

 

[Gakkone]

 

[tuluse]

First of all torrenting a game you bought is just as illegal and fucked up as if you pirate them right away.

The law isn't super clear, but I really doubt it. It's not illegal to download roms of console games that you own.

 

[Burning Bridges]

The law is pretty clear in my country, and where I live it doesn't change a thing whether you bought the game or not. But legality is not the main issue.

The main issue is crowdfuning. It is neither a donation nor a pre-order. It is a deal between the gamers (me) and Warhorse, and the aim is that the game does developed with our money and that we feel good with it. What has Valve to do in it?
It appears of course not different with GOG, with the little difference that GOG makes zero demands on additional software, especially not on the level of background processes.

 

[Burning Bridges]

Of course, what I said about Valve does not apply to Bakala. He is the most important donor, and if he is the reason for Steam, that would make a lot more sense to me. Since he is funding most of the game with his money, and he is a businessman. This is almost without precedent.

 

[Hobz]

The law isn't super clear, but I really doubt it. It's not illegal to download roms of console games that you own.

It is. What's legal is to dump yourself a copy of your game. But then I don't know how one is supposed to differentiate a self made copy from a downloaded one.

 

[Paul_cz]

Of course, what I said about Valve does not apply to Bakala. He is the most important donor, and if he is the reason for Steam, that would make a lot more sense to me. Since he is funding most of the game with his money, and he is a businessman. This is almost without precedent.

I doubt Bakala even knows what Steam is. My bet is that Warhorse want to go with Steam primarily because it is the best PC platform when it comes to maintaining the game (patches are fully under autonomy of the dev and can be deployed instantly on all of user's PCs without any bullshit certification etc), has the largest community (75 million active accounts and counting), has great reputation among both gamers and devs, offers full suite of dev tools, has great features for gamers like Workshop, Market, seamless multiplayer, ingame browser/friends, trading cards, achievements..) and last but not least, offers best possible DRM in the form of complete prevention of day 0 leaks.

I think they will release GOG version as well, but only later, maybe for full version or sometime after full Steam version is out. But I really doubt they will go through the hassle of maintaining two separate alpha/beta builds on Steam AND GOG.
And so that's why for now they do not want to confirm anything other than Steam.

 

[taxalot]

I must admit that I sometimes download games that I legally own for various reason : either I'm too lazy to find teh CD stashed somewhere in my appartment, but also sometimes because I found some cracked Windows games worked perfectly fine on Wine in Linux, where as it's impossible to run the "Steam original" copy. Being able to play Civ 5 without having to reboot in Windows is a nice thing to do ; legal or not, I don't give a damn.

 

[Surf Solar]

I used to be a steam hater just as the next guy, but at some point installed it to See what the fuzz is all about. And et voila, its a comfortable thing to use and Not annoying in any way. Its nice that I can Access my Games library when I am Not at Home.


the actual game here seems very boring to me, Don't understand the hype. :/

 

[TOUGH GUY]

the actual game here seems very boring to me, Don't understand the hype. :/

For some, it is obviously the historical realism. But I have this pet theory that for most people it is the appeal of buzzwords such as 'sandbox' and 'open world'. That the majority of backers think this will be some kind of a Mount & Blade meets Skyrim massive mashup in a huge medieval world. Those people are in for a disappointment.

Don’t believe me? It’s all in the numbers.

Nine square kilometers. Some two or three castles and a handful of villages. The jury's out on what the game will be like, but one thing it's gonna be not – huge.

 

[Copper]

It might not be massive, but 9 square k is still fairly big - about a third of Skyrim/New Vegas's actual visitable terrain, in fact, so all 3 acts sould give an area at least Skyrim sized all together. http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/39338/how-large-is-skyrim. It all depends on if they can get the content density / world design right, and Mafia 1 is a good positive indicator in that respect, the city was well realized with neighbourhoods that all had a strong sense of place, and the city as a whole got used well in the game, with almost every location having a chance to shine in the story.

 

[WhiteGuts]

Well I'd rather have a smaller but dense world rather than miles of empty areas. That's what they are going for, apparently.

 

[Surf Solar]

the actual game here seems very boring to me, Don't understand the hype. :/

For some, it is obviously the historical realism. But I have this pet theory that for most people it is the appeal of buzzwords such as 'sandbox' and 'open world'. That the majority of backers think this will be some kind of a Mount & Blade meets Skyrim massive mashup in a huge medieval world. Those people are in for a disappointment.

Don’t believe me? It’s all in the numbers.

Nine square kilometers. Some two or three castles and a handful of villages. The jury's out on what the game will be like, but one thing it's gonna be not – huge.

Its Not the historical stuff (although I dont find it very interesting, political intrigues make me yawn), its indeed that 'omg big sandbox!!!111" coupled with First Person gameplay in a singleplayergame that Sounds boring to me. Aside Operation Flashpoint I found the companies other Games also very boring or was Not interested in the setting (Mafia)

maybe I will get surprised and the game will be interesting to me once its out, but so far I dont See much reason to back this

 

[PorkyThePaladin]

the actual game here seems very boring to me, Don't understand the hype. :/

I think for many people (and at least for myself) the hype stems from the fact that we love the general idea of Bethesda games (huge open worlds to mess around with) but hate the execution. To me, this goes back all the way to the first two Gothic games, and how they were the Bethesda approach done right. Those kinds of games can be effing amazing. Unfortunately, Bethesda is currently the only major player in this area, which is why we were so excited by this, in addition to these guys apparent intentions to address some of the biggest problems with Bethesda games: combat, more mature setting, more realistic design, better stories/quests, etc. The small size sucks of course, but is the result of publishers not being interested in anything outside their market research tunnel vision, so not much can be done about it. If the game does well, Warhorse can probably use that to make larger games in the future.

With that said, I gotta say, their stretch goals are the most boring I've seen for any major Kickstarter project. Not one of them made me excited.

 

[evdk]

With that said, I gotta say, their stretch goals are the most boring I've seen for any major Kickstarter project. Not one of them made me excited.

That's probably because they do not really need the money so they go for mundane stuff that won't mess much with things they have already implemented (ie. additional modes, like the woman prequel, or orchestral über score).

 

[Burning Bridges]

3x3 km is approximately the size of a medieval town and surrounding fields, with perhaps a 1000 inhabitants. We have such towns here in my area, and they have often quite impressive defenses for the size.

I play a game where you do a lot of walking (The Hunter), and the maps are of comparable size. Though the maps in TH are a bit larger, there is also a fair share of water. It is not that small, but I personally think they could have pushed it a lot more, if it were not for the stupid consoles. I also don't agree with Vavra about removing "empty" fields, in principle they would not add a lot to the footprint of the map, and they were an important part of reality so they should be there in the game also. A really interesting map should also have large forests, that actually feel like forests, and where you would actually need some direction.

Anyway, I think the map will not feel small or constrained, and they also plan to add the third dimension (dungeons), so it should do. Hopefully they will have larger areas in the other chapters, especially with horse travel that would be better.

 

[Surf Solar]

Nice point, I can't remember any game where a forest actually feels like a forest.

 

[kazgar]

I hope Dan's dog makes it into the game. Maybe should be a stretch goal.

 

[Paul_cz]

I hope Dan's dog makes it into the game. Maybe should be a stretch goal.

According to Dan that breed did not exist back then, so I guess not

 

[GarfunkeL]

Nice point, I can't remember any game where a forest actually feels like a forest.

Operation Flashpoint had a few spots where the forest was thick enough to make it feel like an actual forest. So if they got it right for that, the should be able to get right for this.

 

[WhiteGuts]

The long awaited combat video :

 

[abnaxus]