Morrowind for one.
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Morrowind for one.
tyrannosaurus rex
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Shit, I failed my sarcasm check. Well, who doesn't.
Have you played Morrowind?
Fallout 3 t-shirt. Doesn't bode well. Yes, shallow, I know, but at least I admit it.
kazgar
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Fallout 3 t-shirt spotted...
Morrowind felt like a sandbox game for the developers as much as the players. Freedom from focusing on trivial shit allowed them make a cultural simulation on a virtual mini
- continent.
I don't think developers can be free to create that type of experience again by focusing on the smaller details, and I'm desperate to have another Morrowind experience.
You might like to try Oblivion. Bethesda developed that game with people like you in mind.
Perhaps a talented studio can focus on the trivial shit and create an experience on Morrowind's scale, but Skyrim shows me how it's probably always going to turn out.
WhiteGuts
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Yes, you might want to think long and hard about it.
My instincts, while not a reliable and objective tool, tells me there's a "sweet spot", where focus on one particular features of a game doesn't interfere with the others.
Obsidian proved my instincts wrong with New Vegas, but my instincts still me that the lesser developers can't give me a game with the content I want whilst trying to focus on certain other features, such as animation, npc behaviour etc...
For example, If I were a writer/developer for a Morrowind spiritual successor, I might accidentally make an npc seem more sinister with the dialogue and character look than I intended. This might give me the idea that maybe I can give him a bigger role with sidequest, and if I were using Morrowind's world, I might write a small book about a family that was a secret ally of house dagoth, and hint that it might still remain to this day. I then can easily put a secret door to a hidden room in his house with some sixth house paraphernalia inside and let the player decide whether to investigate further. I don't have to worry about anything else other than changing dialogue and adding a few stock items and I can flesh out the game that tiny bit more whenever inspiration hits me.
Obsidian proved my instincts wrong with New Vegas, but my instincts still me that the lesser developers can't give me a game with the content I want whilst trying to focus on certain other features, such as animation, npc behaviour etc...
For example, If I were a writer/developer for a Morrowind spiritual successor, I might accidentally make an npc seem more sinister with the dialogue and character look than I intended. This might give me the idea that maybe I can give him a bigger role with sidequest, and if I were using Morrowind's world, I might write a small book about a family that was a secret ally of house dagoth, and hint that it might still remain to this day. I then can easily put a secret door to a hidden room in his house with some sixth house paraphernalia inside and let the player decide whether to investigate further. I don't have to worry about anything else other than changing dialogue and adding a few stock items and I can flesh out the game that tiny bit more whenever inspiration hits me.
Johannes
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Well, I'd rather fantasize about Morrowind than play potato enhanced Skyrim.
Dokkalfar
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This thread is embarrassing.
Once upon a time a FPS/RPG hybrid was regarded as just that - a hybrid - not a fully-fledged RPG, for a game to be an RPG character skills would have to be more influential (by a large margin) than player skills, twitch, reflexes, etc. This game seems to go in completely the opposite direction - minigames for skills and crafting, twitch skills for sword fighting, horribly limiting FP perspective.
RPG Codex fails yet again and embraces the decline.
Once upon a time a FPS/RPG hybrid was regarded as just that - a hybrid - not a fully-fledged RPG, for a game to be an RPG character skills would have to be more influential (by a large margin) than player skills, twitch, reflexes, etc. This game seems to go in completely the opposite direction - minigames for skills and crafting, twitch skills for sword fighting, horribly limiting FP perspective.
RPG Codex fails yet again and embraces the decline.
tyrannosaurus rex
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no.
Paul_cz
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Except he hates Fallout 3 (wrote an editorial about its faults for CZ magazine) and considers Fallout 1 and NV some of the best games ever made. But hey, Vault Boy on a T-Shirt must surely mean he loves Fallout 3, because other Fallout games do not exist, right?
So by your "logic" Vampire Bloodlines is not RPG.
Fuck off with that nonsense.
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Everyone dislikes Fallout 3 now that Skyrim is out.
Paul_cz
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Your point? He wrote that article in october 2008, month of Fallout 3 release. Same magazine release where the reviewer (someone else) gave it 10/10.
I distinctly remember the shitstorm, because it was not popular to shit on Fallout 3. Everybody (meaning mainstream, not codex) loved it back then.
What is the simulation about it? I like Morrowind but damn, it is just a big static map split into:
- several cultural regions
- several environmental regios
with several faction/culture defined locations scattered all around and with a decent politics-meet-fantasy story.
World being static or dynamic has nothing to do with it.
You are kinda missing the fact that people responsible for writing story and designing quests and environments (which is where Morrowind excelled... well except for quests) are different from guys designing game systems.
Which does not mean I am promising you another Morrowind. Just that what you are saying is a non sequitur.
PorkyThePaladin
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If the actual gameplay elements don't concern you, and you are just interested in dialogue/in-game-book based lore, why are you playing video games? I am sure there are lots of books out there (or in Morrowind spirit, wikipedias) that will provide even better lore.
You do realize that stats based (character skill) gameplay is boring as all fuck? Even old traditional cRPGs leaned heavily toward player skill. Tactics and all that, that's player skill, not character skill (though of course character skill does play some limiting role). This is just like that, except its a different type of player skill.
The NPC AI video looks awesome. If Warhorse can nail this stuff down, this game could definitely be the spiritual successor to the first two Gothic games.
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