Weird West: Definitive Edition - top-down immersive sim action-RPG from Arkane founder Raf Colantonio

[The Regulator Guy]

With shotguns you can one shot bears and sirens, but you have to be very close to them. And that's with level 1 or 2 double barrel. That's how it was in the beta at least. i haven't yet played this version but I don't think they altered the values. The semi auto shotgun does less damage but has higher rate of fire, but even with that if you're very close as in, in their face level of close you can one shot them with that as well. Again, this is how it was in beta. Once I got level 5 guns I stopped testing them as the damage was very high and I was using the bow primarily. Which can also one shot if you loose the arrow at the correct time.

Interesting. The targeting reticle only seems to go out five or six yards, so maybe there's just a whole lot of spread even when something is technically in range.

 

[Terenty]

Been using a shotgun close range and the damage output is noticeably bigger compared to other guns. Slow mo dive + a shotgun makes a short work of everything I came across so far.

That's actually something I like about the combat here, you need to switch between weapons depending on the situation to succeed

 

[onemananadhisdroid]

Pigman™ laughs at your shotguns, noobs.

Also, what's this woke talk about? Shit's racist as pig.

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[kangaxx]

With shotguns you can one shot bears and sirens, but you have to be very close to them. And that's with level 1 or 2 double barrel. That's how it was in the beta at least. i haven't yet played this version but I don't think they altered the values. The semi auto shotgun does less damage but has higher rate of fire, but even with that if you're very close as in, in their face level of close you can one shot them with that as well. Again, this is how it was in beta. Once I got level 5 guns I stopped testing them as the damage was very high and I was using the bow primarily. Which can also one shot if you loose the arrow at the correct time.

I've only acquired a 3* shotgun and they seem to two shot bears and sirens if you're in their face. Fun playstyle.

 

[Child of Malkav]

I also remember werewolves being very tanky and very dangerous to fight. Combat against them was very messy. Normally, I would just take them out quietly from behind. But if that failed I would literally use everything I had, all the abilities, throwables, highest damage weapons etc. But then again you don't run into them often except when playing as the 4th char but I won't spoil anything. Just remember to get that char's invisibility's power. It might come into use later in a certain scenario. Can be used in combat as well.

 

[Zombra]

Damn. I hoped this would turn out to be a hidden gem - reading that it's mostly a game about trash digging and inventory management is a big disappointment.

 

[The Regulator Guy]

I've used shotguns more and I partially repent of my earlier statement. They are very powerful if you're in melee range. I'm still a little disappointed, though, as in real life shotguns are very powerful even at a range of ten or twelve feet.

 

[Lord Commissar Alexer]

At first i was interested but then i looked at the playable characters...yeah, no.

 

[Bigg Boss]

This looks like a game I will get on sale two or three years from now so business as usual I guess.

 

[BruceVC]

This looks like a game I will get on sale two or three years from now so business as usual I guess.

Thats my view at the moment, I may consider this game on a sale ..but we have so many exciting choices of what to buy it may never happen ?

 

[kangaxx]

Damn. I hoped this would turn out to be a hidden gem - reading that it's mostly a game about trash digging and inventory management is a big disappointment.

I'd urge you not to be put off and to give it a go. People on this thread are whining very hard.

 

[Zombra]

Damn. I hoped this would turn out to be a hidden gem - reading that it's mostly a game about trash digging and inventory management is a big disappointment.

Infinitron: citation

 

[Trithne]

Damn. I hoped this would turn out to be a hidden gem - reading that it's mostly a game about trash digging and inventory management is a big disappointment.

Infinitron: citation

Eh, it's no Encased. Honestly, just don't pick up literal junk. Which makes the "take all" button useless, but it's a hold button anyway so it should burn in a ditch fire.

Junk isn't worth the trouble in my experience, looting in general isn't worth it. Take their ammo, scrap their guns, take anything of actual value. It's not inventory management so much as don't be a hoarder.

 

[kangaxx]

It's basically a game that's mostly about hoarding and organizing trash tier items in a limited inventory with some combat sequences in-between. A lot of unnecessary micromanagement involved.

There isn't an immersive sim around that doesn't require some kind of looting and inventory management, and working out what's worth picking up and not. If that guy runs out of inventory space all the time then he's bad at the game. Even most pure RPGs require this (or should).

The main fair criticisms from what I can see are the AI being very predictable, companion pathfinding being suspect, camera views being sometimes frustrating. The rest is really a matter of taste IMO, and I think they can fix all of the bad things in future patches if you're patient.

 

[Cricket McBangle]

Here's some gripes I have with Weird West:

- Where's the story? (This should be: Who cares about the story?)

Lots of video game narratives are pretty bad but this can be said about any medium tbh. Most movies are terrible, most books are terrible, etc.

- Console UX makes keyboard and mouse difficult
- The camera sucks
- You cannot control the camera while you're aiming
- Characters share one ability pool but they each have their own abilities set to level up so this can be frustrating.

Here's how you win Weird West even on the hardest difficulty:

- Invest in Silenced Sniping
- Get a decent rifle
- Sneak, slo-mo dive, win

The lies of Weird West:

- The game says “go ahead and kill story NPCs” but there’s no incentive or some kind of reward for doing so. You’re just fucking yourself over.
- You don’t control the story, the story happens to you regardless of what you do. It's not great. I'm being overly simplistic but you can build a world where players can make their own stories like in Kenshi, Crusader Kings, Rimworld, etc. Or you can make a story to guide players through the world and use narrative context to bolster your experience. Weird West is clearly not a game like Kenshi or Crusader Kings but it doesn't really succeed in the latter either.
- Choices “Matter:” you can play the game as a top down shooter or as a sneaky person a la Desperados 3. The game encourages quick saving so you might as well. Not only is it a prominent loading screen tip but when you pause the game, it reminds you that quicksave and quickload exist.

It’s alright, I guess. I mostly got bored after a while. Some fun moments here and there plus the Pigman is clearly the star of the game.

I give Weird West a 6/10

 

[Zombra]

There isn't an immersive sim around that doesn't require some kind of looting and inventory management, and working out what's worth picking up and not. If that guy runs out of inventory space all the time then he's bad at the game. Even most pure RPGs require this (or should).

Strongly disagree. Increasing the amount of irrelevant clutter is only good design in shitty "hidden item" games. In P&P, I don't want the DM to describe every ball point pen and bent paper clip on the desk. I want to say "I search the desk, do I find anything germane to the case?" and I want the same elegance of presentation in video games. Maybe one or two flavor items are fine but if trash digging is a primary expectation of RPGs, then RPGs fucking suck.

- The game says “go ahead and kill story NPCs” but there’s no incentive or some kind of reward for doing so. You’re just fucking yourself over.

You say this like it's a bad thing. This is what actual freedom looks like amigo. Some choices are just stupid.

 

[kangaxx]

There isn't an immersive sim around that doesn't require some kind of looting and inventory management, and working out what's worth picking up and not. If that guy runs out of inventory space all the time then he's bad at the game. Even most pure RPGs require this (or should).

Strongly disagree. Increasing the amount of irrelevant clutter is only good design in shitty "hidden item" games. In P&P, I don't want the DM to describe every ball point pen and bent paper clip on the desk. I want to say "I search the desk, do I find anything germane to the case?" and I want the same elegance of presentation in video games. Maybe one or two flavor items are fine but if trash digging is a primary expectation of RPGs, then RPGs fucking suck.

It isn't irrelevant though... you can sell it and make money to upgrade weapons, but it's up to you whether you do that. It's easy, but the price is that you can't carry around loads of junk.

You can not bother with the clutter, buy a rope, wait until dark and rob the bank followed by the gun shop. Up to you.

 

[Terenty]

Enjoying the game, but is it true you have to basically grind the same skills and upgrade weapons every new character? How does it work? Sounds too much tbh

 

[onemananadhisdroid]

Weird West is old-school in that loot way. Limited inventory, plus enemies drop whatever they are carrying.

Btw, back then when I first played BG1 et all, I didn't have internet (and knew few, if any people, who had played this themselves.) I was surprised to find later on that people would loot every single item around, and so naturally had travel back and forth in between maps and the next shop over and over to sell.

Madness. And naturally frustrating. (It was pretty clear that the game wasn't designed to make this mandatory -- it seemed just "logical" to the devs that enemies would drop whatever equipment they are carrying, as that was their, well, stuff.)

I would lower on the amount of containers in the world in a possible follow-up, DLC, whatever.

 

[Kem0sabe]

 

[cvv]

Strongly disagree. Increasing the amount of irrelevant clutter is only good design in shitty "hidden item" games. In P&P, I don't want the DM to describe every ball point pen and bent paper clip on the desk. I want to say "I search the desk, do I find anything germane to the case?" and I want the same elegance of presentation in video games. Maybe one or two flavor items are fine but if trash digging is a primary expectation of RPGs, then RPGs fucking suck.

This. The only thing I hate more than picking up trash in my RPGs is literal sphincter cancer and I'm not sure even about that.

As the notorious Witcher 3 example clearly shows, if you have to collect garbage from every crate and barrel your itemization IS garbage.

 

[Trithne]

The junk is clutter, for sure. I've also been given a bottle of wine as part of a quest that I didn't use to solve said quest and now it's just stuck in my inventory forever unless I drink it and KO myself I guess.

I leave any 8$ junk I find now. 12$ junk is okay, but otherwise I only really bother with 24$. You only get a fraction of that price when you sell it anyway.

 

[Roguey]

As with many classic RPGs, I imagine the way you're supposed to play is leave 99% of that stuff where it is and only pick up what you need.

 

[bobocrunch]

I was a proponent of no trash digging and not looking in nightstands unless I wanted a Gameboy until I found gold bars in some random crate in a field next to a water tower, so beware!!

 

[Zombra]

It isn't irrelevant though... you can sell it and make money to upgrade weapons, but it's up to you whether you do that. It's easy, but the price is that you can't carry around loads of junk.
You can not bother with the clutter, buy a rope, wait until dark and rob the bank followed by the gun shop. Up to you.

Next you'll be telling me that every RPG should be open world and have a fishing minigame. Jesus christ.