Why do people hate Oblivion so much?

[MWaser]

Oblivion had pretty good DLC (meme ones like horse armor aside). That Shivering Isles is great goes without saying, but I've also quite liked Knights of the Nine.

The shivering isles dlc and the dark brotherhood questline are legit good, but they feel they don't belong in the same game than the rest of the content. It was outsourced probably

If you think the Dark Brotherhood questline is good, then you need to play it again. 'Nuff said.

 

[JamesDixon]

As to the original question, it's because Todd Howard is shit at designing games. He dumbed down the game and turned exploration into a theme park ride. He is the epitome of decline for TES. The high point was Daggerfall and it's massive open world.

 

[Impressive Organ]

I'm playing Oblivion for the first time now and I can emphatically say that I despise whatever the hell they did with this level scaling shit. I knew something was wrong when a bear with chameleon magic completely buttfucked my spider daedra. I've beaten Arena, Daggerfall, and Morrowind and this game is just non-stop busting my balls with obnoxious damage sponge enemies.

 

[rohand]

I agree it's unplayable without some level scaling overhaul

 

[janior]

none of the overhauls truly fix the issues though, some make it worse, might as well play vanilla and just do efficient leveling

 

[Rieser]

Might as well not play.

 

[Wunderbar]

janior which ones have you tried?

 

[janior]

janior which ones have you tried?

oscuro's overhaul, maskar's overhaul and this https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/49194 combined with few other mods from the same guy.

 

[rohand]

Ascension tries to keep it simple but I haven't tried, can't be bothered to reinstall potato head simulator again
https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/50237

 

[Sykar]

Might as well not play.

Wish someone told me that back at release day when little naive me still thought Bethshit was a good company. I hit uninstall exe shortly after Kvatch. Funny enough "Quatsch" means "nonsense" in German and that is exactly how the game felt to me so it was perfect time to leave this trashfire behind me and never look back. What a waste of money this was.

 

[retinoid]

Fuck all of you, I'm not falling into the trap of installing Oblivion again only to spend 5 days modding it then getting bored after 2 hours of gameplay. This same old song and dance has happened every year for nearly 15 years.

Spoiler

Lord have mercy it's downloading.

 

[Beggar]

Because they are weak and beating a dead horse is the only thing they can do

 

[BruceVC]

Fuck all of you, I'm not falling into the trap of installing Oblivion again only to spend 5 days modding it then getting bored after 2 hours of gameplay. This same old song and dance has happened every year for nearly 15 years.

Spoiler

Lord have mercy it's downloading.

I love Elder Scroll games but I always Mod them and that is part of the fun of playing a game like Oblivion yet you can make certain changes that just make it more difficult and add additional monsters or just create specific weather patterns. The Mod community is amazing and really most mods are just to share with other gamers to enhance your game, its magnanimous and I respect their efforts
I use Nexus Mod Manager and i use the maximum Mods, 254 , and its well the worth the time spent

And I will use add relevant adult mods

 

[BruceVC]

I'm playing Oblivion for the first time now and I can emphatically say that I despise whatever the hell they did with this level scaling shit. I knew something was wrong when a bear with chameleon magic completely buttfucked my spider daedra. I've beaten Arena, Daggerfall, and Morrowind and this game is just non-stop busting my balls with obnoxious damage sponge enemies.

But you must use Mods to address this type of issue, to me its not a valid issue if their is a quick mod to resolve it ?

Thats one of the main benefits of many Mods, their is no reason to suffer with bad design....no one needs to be a Sado-masochist

 

[cpmartins]

Because they are weak and beating a dead horse is the only thing they can do

They are weak because they dislike an objectively shit game?
Are you retarded my friend? Butthurt perhaps?

 

[MWaser]

Because they are weak and beating a dead horse is the only thing they can do

They are weak because they dislike an objectively shit game?
Are you retarded my friend? Butthurt perhaps?

I understood that as "they are weak because they keep coming back to something they claim they hate and can't let it go" as opposed to just manning up and admitting it's irredeemable trash and let sleeping dogs lie.

 

[Jackpot]

Oblivion is a bad game, but here's a controversial opinion:
I don't think Vanilla Oblivion is that much worse than Vanilla Morrowind.
Both games by default have glaring design flaws.

 

[jackofshadows]

At least Morrowind has its world-building and muh lore in general to pull the experience up. Otherwise both games suck, sure.

 

[Impressive Organ]

But you must use Mods to address this type of issue, to me its not a valid issue if their is a quick mod to resolve it ?

Thats one of the main benefits of many Mods, their is no reason to suffer with bad design....no one needs to be a Sado-masochist

I do plan to replay it some time with one of the mods that fix level scaling because I don't entirely hate the game. I just didn't anticipate how bullshit overpowered every enemy in the game gets when you play it vanilla.

 

[Cael]

But you must use Mods to address this type of issue, to me its not a valid issue if their is a quick mod to resolve it ?

Thats one of the main benefits of many Mods, their is no reason to suffer with bad design....no one needs to be a Sado-masochist

I do plan to replay it some time with one of the mods that fix level scaling because I don't entirely hate the game. I just didn't anticipate how bullshit overpowered every enemy in the game gets when you play it vanilla.

Wait till you play the Titan Quest expansions. Bullet sponges doesn't even begin to describe that shit.

 

[BruceVC]

But you must use Mods to address this type of issue, to me its not a valid issue if their is a quick mod to resolve it ?

Thats one of the main benefits of many Mods, their is no reason to suffer with bad design....no one needs to be a Sado-masochist

I do plan to replay it some time with one of the mods that fix level scaling because I don't entirely hate the game. I just didn't anticipate how bullshit overpowered every enemy in the game gets when you play it vanilla.

Good plan, one thing I do admit about Elder Scroll games is I cant replay them unless their is at least 5-7 years break

People say thats because they not deep and lack real enjoyment and maybe that is true but because I have modded the games on a huge level I honestly dont mind but I am glad I had a break. I played Morrowind 9 months ago and I remember finishing all the guild quests and becoming the Nerevarine but then I started getting bored and just focused on killing Dagoth Ur....and that was the right thing to do

 

[Ravielsk]

Its been ages since I played Oblivion. What was so bad about the Dark Brotherhood questline? The only part I remember about it is that it involved some psycho and killing off the whole guild.

 

[Funposter]

Its been ages since I played Oblivion. What was so bad about the Dark Brotherhood questline? The only part I remember about it is that it involved some psycho and killing off the whole guild.

The problem is that it railroads the player into being a moron in the service of its plot twist. The early quests feature bonus objectives/methods of completion in order to receive special rewards, but those always represent an optimal way to complete the quest and they're never difficult to complete. It's braindead game design that makes stupid people feel clever.

 

[Zlaja]

I could never be arsed to mod Oblivion, because I find the vanilla game an absolute trainwreck. I only bother with mods for games which I at least find decent in their original form. Then I'm improving on something that has a decent foundation, but in the case of Oblivion, you have to install many 'overhaul this', and 'overhaul that' to make the game somewhat decent. Why go through all that trouble, just to elevate a steaming pile of shit into something that's just somewhat playable? Talk about a waste of time.

 

[TheHeroOfTime]

Oblivion is a bad game, but here's a controversial opinion:
I don't think Vanilla Oblivion is that much worse than Vanilla Morrowind.
Both games by default have glaring design flaws.

Nah. I think Oblivion is worse game in terms of design, just from the roots. Autolevel for equipment and enemies encounters, shitty itemization due to that, streamlined quest design, streamlined exploration, dungeon and caves copy&paste a lot between them, the Oblivion gates are very dissapointing, bland combat, barely options while talking to NPCs, and more. With its flaws, Morrowind is a more solid game. Shit, I would say Skyrim is also better than Oblivion, is better designed from the start as a simplistic action rpg. With Oblivion you can tell the decline that both the game and the dev team went through when creating it. It was supposed to be a more complex game than Morrowind, then they started to do weird shit in order of getting the game running on consoles.