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Why do people hate Oblivion so much?

Yosharian

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But Oblivion's forests are fucking grim. I recently played Last Seed and the environments in general are just horrible. Even Morrowind holds up better.

What part of Oblivions lush, green, vibrant, colourful forests do you interpret as being grim?
I meant grim as in they look shit, poor choice of words

They are flat and garish, just generally gross to look at
 

Yosharian

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But Oblivion's forests are fucking grim. I recently played Last Seed and the environments in general are just horrible. Even Morrowind holds up better.

What part of Oblivions lush, green, vibrant, colourful forests do you interpret as being grim?
Grim realization that beside entrances to dungeons and occasional enemy there is nothing of interest to be found in them.
This too, they are fucking empty
 

Losus4

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But Oblivion's forests are fucking grim. I recently played Last Seed and the environments in general are just horrible. Even Morrowind holds up better.

What part of Oblivions lush, green, vibrant, colourful forests do you interpret as being grim?
I meant grim as in they look shit, poor choice of words

They are flat and garish, just generally gross to look at

You have to judge it by its time, and at the time they were excellent. This is no better than saying Space Invades sucks because of its shit graphics.
 

Yosharian

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But Oblivion's forests are fucking grim. I recently played Last Seed and the environments in general are just horrible. Even Morrowind holds up better.

What part of Oblivions lush, green, vibrant, colourful forests do you interpret as being grim?
I meant grim as in they look shit, poor choice of words

They are flat and garish, just generally gross to look at

You have to judge it by its time, and at the time they were excellent. This is no better than saying Space Invades sucks because of its shit graphics.
How do you account for the fact the Morrowind still looks great then?

There are plenty of older games that still hold up visually

Oblivion looks like shit
 

damager

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Yeah Obilvion did not look excellent when it came out. The glowing balloon faces always looked shit, they did not even have to age badly.

Art style and aesthetics can make games into timeless classics or instant turds.
 

damager

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It was a trend back than. I believe the effect was pretty new. A lot of games looked like they were radio active for a while. Guild Wars 1 comes to mind. But Oblivion was one of the worst offenders too.
 

Lemming42

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> FWIW I think Starfield's better than Fo4 as well, but I also think Oblivion is better than Fo4

What? Absolute nonsense.
I really hate Fo4, I've given it as many chances as possible, and I'm someone who openly likes Fo3 and Skyrim so I have a very high tolerance for Bethesda. Everything about it just makes me bounce off it - awful setting, terrible quests, bad combat (I'm always bewildered by people who think Fo4's combat is acceptable - it's an improvement on 3/NV but it's still dreadful) and I can't remember any dungeons that I liked. Even the much-vaunted "verticality" of the city area didn't save it for me. The whole thing's just soulless in a way that even Oblivion and Starfield aren't.
I agree with some of those points, but does Starfield have any quests to rival Oblivion's best ones?
In addition to the two I mentioned, I think the entire Crimson Fleet questline is pretty good. It ends with a big action setpiece that actually works, unlike every previous attempt at such that Bethesda have ever made. Starfield's faction questlines are generally higher quality than Oblivion's IMO. Oblivion's faction quests have some good ideas like the Mage's Guild recommendation saga and such but overall I think most of them end up very boring, including the Dark Brotherhood which I don't really get the love for. Fighter's Guild is so dull that I actively can't do it on any replay.

I can't remember every sidequest from either game though; my favourite Oblivion quest is the one where you go into the dude's dream and aside from that I remember the stolen painting mystery (very boring), the world inside the magic painting (fantastic concept, dull execution), "help my sons defend the farm from goblins" (waste of time), catching the corrupt guard captain (ultra-linear, waste of time), the one where the ship-hotel gets hijacked with you on board (superb idea, middling execution), the one where you get sent to the island and forced into a hunt where you're the prey (excellent)... from Starfield I remember the timeline distortion quest (great), the quest with the historical figure clones on the planet (great), the generational ship that's caught in some dispute with the planet it's arrived at (fine), a lot of fetch quests (all shit), and the loyalty missions for the companions (only did Sarah's, it was cool enough).
 

Kruyurk

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Playing Oblivion for extended periods is a fever dream. The more you play, the more retarded it appears. The horrible bloom everywhere, the crazy NPCs with grotesque faces, the mundane life mixed with random senseless shit happening all the time. The feeling of running in place because everything is the same, both in space because of the generic forests and dungeons, but also in time because of the level scaling. The retarded bandits of the beginning are now retarded bandits in glass armor, it's the whole world around you that is becoming even more retarded the longer you play, and it is probably affecting you as well. At times you almost feel that the NPCs perceive you as a retard with the way they talk to you. This experience is unmatched, no other game can give you the same uncanny feeling. Skyrim is boring in comparison because it is all the generic shit without the flavorful retardation.
 
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Butter

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Playing Oblivion for extended periods is a fever dream. The more you play, the more retarded it appears. The horrible bloom everywhere, the crazy NPCs with grotesque faces, the mundane life mixed with random senseless shit happening all the time. The feeling of running in place because everything is the same, both in space because of the generic forests and dungeons, but also in time because of the level scaling. The retarded bandits of the beginning are now retarded bandits in glass armor, it's the whole world around you that is becoming even retarded the longer you play, and it is probably affecting you as well. At times you almost feel that the NPCs perceive you as a retard with the way they talk to you. This experience is unmatched, no other game can give you the same uncanny feeling. Skyrim is boring in comparison because it is all the generic shit without the flavorful retardation.
This, 100%. Insane is better than bland.
 

Lemming42

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Playing Oblivion for extended periods is a fever dream. The more you play, the more retarded it appears. The horrible bloom everywhere, the crazy NPCs with grotesque faces, the mundane life mixed with random senseless shit happening all the time. The feeling of running in place because everything is the same, both in space because of the generic forests and dungeons, but also in time because of the level scaling. The retarded bandits of the beginning are now retarded bandits in glass armor, it's the whole world around you that is becoming even retarded the longer you play, and it is probably affecting you as well. At times you almost feel that the NPCs perceive you as a retard with the way they talk to you. This experience is unmatched, no other game can give you the same uncanny feeling. Skyrim is boring in comparison because it is all the generic shit without the flavorful retardation.
Can you tell me where Armand Christophe is hiding?
 

Ryzer

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Playing Oblivion for extended periods is a fever dream. The more you play, the more retarded it appears. The horrible bloom everywhere, the crazy NPCs with grotesque faces, the mundane life mixed with random senseless shit happening all the time. The feeling of running in place because everything is the same, both in space because of the generic forests and dungeons, but also in time because of the level scaling. The retarded bandits of the beginning are now retarded bandits in glass armor, it's the whole world around you that is becoming even retarded the longer you play, and it is probably affecting you as well. At times you almost feel that the NPCs perceive you as a retard with the way they talk to you. This experience is unmatched, no other game can give you the same uncanny feeling. Skyrim is boring in comparison because it is all the generic shit without the flavorful retardation.
Can you tell me where Armand Christophe is hiding?
 

octavius

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I love how a minor transgression in Oblivion is enough to make a close-knit village community fight to the death with nothing in the way of trial or jury.
Glarthir must have been based on Giskard, the maddest modderfucker of them all.
 

S.torch

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People blow out of proportion their hate for Oblivion. Usually to pretend they're smart. In reality the game is not that bad, and I would say that everything outside the main quest is good and fun. It also has the best soundtrack and colour palette of all TES games.
 

Yosharian

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People blow out of proportion their hate for Oblivion. Usually to pretend they're smart. In reality the game is not that bad, and I would say that everything outside the main quest is good and fun. It also has the best soundtrack and colour palette of all TES games.
:deathclaw:
 

damager

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He's smoking moon sugar with Caius Cosades
Playing Oblivion for extended periods is a fever dream. The more you play, the more retarded it appears. The horrible bloom everywhere, the crazy NPCs with grotesque faces, the mundane life mixed with random senseless shit happening all the time. The feeling of running in place because everything is the same, both in space because of the generic forests and dungeons, but also in time because of the level scaling. The retarded bandits of the beginning are now retarded bandits in glass armor, it's the whole world around you that is becoming even retarded the longer you play, and it is probably affecting you as well. At times you almost feel that the NPCs perceive you as a retard with the way they talk to you. This experience is unmatched, no other game can give you the same uncanny feeling. Skyrim is boring in comparison because it is all the generic shit without the flavorful retardation.
Can you tell me where Armand Christophe is hiding?


 

damager

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tbh it's mind boggeling how they could produce this piece of shit after morrowind. How did these bubble heads and the radiant AI shit make it out of alpha stage like that?

Everybody must have seen what a giant pile of crap it was.
 

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I was wrong all this time. Oblivion's character face creator is amazing.


















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