Why Planescape Torment is not a great game (In Depth)

[Angthoron]

What a beautiful thread.

 

[A_Leftist_Pig?]

I'm inclined to ask you the same question considering you're interested in my visitations to a proctologist DraQ.

And considering I beat the stage, how am I butthurt oh wise one?

 

[DraQ]

I'm inclined to ask you the same question considering you're interested in my visitations to a proctologist DraQ.

And considering I beat the stage, how am I butthurt oh wise one?

Should I cite this entire thread?

 

[Cthulhu_is_love]

Like this thread, too.

But that one still is my favourite: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/avatars.5138/
(the early pages)

 

[MasPingon]

I beat the game in 10 hours of gameplay on my first playthrough never finding a single solution online except how much intelligence I need to convince my practical self to join me.

Part of the problem is that there is not enough text to explain everything and the journal collects way too little. But that is solved by running in circles around Sigil until you find the guy you were supposed to deliver the fetch quest item too.


Perhaps I am just a bit too bright or have a bit too much peace in my life so that I can actually digest some of this and shit out some actual objective criticism of it while you swallow it whole and let it get stuck in your spine.

Is this satire or a troll or a mental problem?

I went to a magnet high school where basically every single student tested at a genius IQ and the only one of my fellow students I can imagine who would say the words "Perhaps I am just a bit too bright" was the guy who carried around a copy of an xray of his liver for some reason I am still unsure of. He showed it to me once and tried to explain its significant but I was a little too focused on escaping to pay attention. His parents also made an entirely new last name for him by making a godawful silly portmanteau of their last names. Poor guy, he really wasn't a bad sort.

I'm glad I didn't go to a school

 

[A_Leftist_Pig?]

DraQ

I feel as if you are more butthurt than me. I am just defending myself against the the mob of wannabe Mortys who forgot to level their taunt skill.
I'll grow tired soon enough I assume.

Anyway, for point of reference the paragraph you cited to support your claim of butthurt was not one in response to the "community" but the game itself. So that doesn't fly old chump.
Lay down your sword and flee with what little wit is left in you.

@Above

Oh, how quaint, the man has edited a post.

 

[MasPingon]

DraQ

I feel as if you are more butthurt than me. I am just defending myself against the the mob of wannabe Mortys who forgot to level their taunt skill.

There is no skill check needed, confronting you is an insta win. Also, read some older threads to gain some knowladge. All have been said about P:T, there is no need to rephrase it.

 

[A_Leftist_Pig?]

A-ha. Well you may gain what you want and I gain what I want. It is a fair trade I say.

 

[Vault Dweller]

What a beautiful thread.

Pure poetry, innit?

 

[Angthoron]

What a beautiful thread.

Pure poetry, innit?

That video is like 40% of the entirety of PS:T lengthwise. I hope it doesn't have bag issues, or I'll flip out.

 

[gestalt11]

I beat the game in 10 hours of gameplay on my first playthrough never finding a single solution online except how much intelligence I need to convince my practical self to join me.

Part of the problem is that there is not enough text to explain everything and the journal collects way too little. But that is solved by running in circles around Sigil until you find the guy you were supposed to deliver the fetch quest item too.


Perhaps I am just a bit too bright or have a bit too much peace in my life so that I can actually digest some of this and shit out some actual objective criticism of it while you swallow it whole and let it get stuck in your spine.

Is this satire or a troll or a mental problem?

I went to a magnet high school where basically every single student tested at a genius IQ and the only one of my fellow students I can imagine who would say the words "Perhaps I am just a bit too bright" was the guy who carried around a copy of an xray of his liver for some reason I am still unsure of. He showed it to me once and tried to explain its significant but I was a little too focused on escaping to pay attention. His parents also made an entirely new last name for him by making a godawful silly portmanteau of their last names. Poor guy, he really wasn't a bad sort.

I'm glad I didn't go to a school where someone has to describe their educational history to make a point.

First off I didn't do that, or I would have told you about the tests and what I did in 8th grade and how I answered the essay question with a "pollution free engine" because I knew that would be the perfect policitally acceptable response sure to impress the drones who run this crap. And as a politically correct thing, completely immune to any actual technical analysis of the question and therefore the perfect response to an essay question for a technical focused state-run school. The was back in 1990 when the whole Earth Day bullshit was really getting started.

Second off you you don't know the half of it, after my graduating class it got far more crazy. 20 years later people prepare their kids for years all year round to get in to that school nowadays. Like 3-4 years of prepartory extra-cirricular course starting in 5th or 6th grade. I took one test cold and my mom said to me when I told her I was going to take it "Are you sure you want to do that? You are pretty lazy." Hah I showed her, I slept through most of my classes there. Laziness works because its efficient. If I had been real smart my invention would have been a drool absorptive school desk instead of a pollution free engine. Pretty sure the people who graded the test wouldn't have been too into that answer though. Dude I hung out with took the SATs hung over with no studying and got a 1450, sometimes he would just draw witches on his homework instead of doing the math problems. Things certainly changed.

Third off this response answers my question; this is a troll. I kinda already knew that though.

 

[A_Leftist_Pig?]

Oh * gets squirmish *

VD is here... he..!

I beat the game in 10 hours of gameplay on my first playthrough never finding a single solution online except how much intelligence I need to convince my practical self to join me.

Part of the problem is that there is not enough text to explain everything and the journal collects way too little. But that is solved by running in circles around Sigil until you find the guy you were supposed to deliver the fetch quest item too.


Perhaps I am just a bit too bright or have a bit too much peace in my life so that I can actually digest some of this and shit out some actual objective criticism of it while you swallow it whole and let it get stuck in your spine.

Is this satire or a troll or a mental problem?

I went to a magnet high school where basically every single student tested at a genius IQ and the only one of my fellow students I can imagine who would say the words "Perhaps I am just a bit too bright" was the guy who carried around a copy of an xray of his liver for some reason I am still unsure of. He showed it to me once and tried to explain its significant but I was a little too focused on escaping to pay attention. His parents also made an entirely new last name for him by making a godawful silly portmanteau of their last names. Poor guy, he really wasn't a bad sort.

I'm glad I didn't go to a school where someone has to describe their educational history to make a point.

First off I didn't do that, or I would have told you about the tests and what I did in 8th grade and how I answered the essay question with a "pollution free engine" because I knew that would be the perfect policitally acceptable response sure to impress the drones who run this crap. And as a politically correct thing, completely immune to any actual technical analysis of the question and therefore the perfect response to an essay question for a technical focused state-run school. The was back in 1990 when the whole Earth Day bullshit was really getting started.

Second off you you don't know the half of it, after my graduating class it got far more crazy. 20 years later people prepare their kids for years all year round to get in to that school nowadays. Like 3-4 years of prepartory extra-cirricular course starting in 5th or 6th grade. I took one test cold and my mom said to me when I told her I was going to take it "Are you sure you want to do that? You are pretty lazy." Hah I showed her, I slept through most of my classes there. Laziness works because its efficient. If I had been real smart my invention would have been a drool absorptive school desk instead of a pollution free engine. Pretty sure the people who graded the test wouldn't have been too into that answer though. Dude I hung out with took the SATs hung over with no studying and got a 1450, sometimes he would just draw witches on his homework instead of doing the math problems. Things certainly changed.

Third off this response answers my question; this is a troll. I kinda already knew that though.

I'm glad I didn't go to a school where someone has to describe their educational history to make a point (tis so easy).

 

[gestalt11]

Oh * gets squirmish *

VD is here... he..!

I beat the game in 10 hours of gameplay on my first playthrough never finding a single solution online except how much intelligence I need to convince my practical self to join me.

Part of the problem is that there is not enough text to explain everything and the journal collects way too little. But that is solved by running in circles around Sigil until you find the guy you were supposed to deliver the fetch quest item too.


Perhaps I am just a bit too bright or have a bit too much peace in my life so that I can actually digest some of this and shit out some actual objective criticism of it while you swallow it whole and let it get stuck in your spine.

Is this satire or a troll or a mental problem?

I went to a magnet high school where basically every single student tested at a genius IQ and the only one of my fellow students I can imagine who would say the words "Perhaps I am just a bit too bright" was the guy who carried around a copy of an xray of his liver for some reason I am still unsure of. He showed it to me once and tried to explain its significant but I was a little too focused on escaping to pay attention. His parents also made an entirely new last name for him by making a godawful silly portmanteau of their last names. Poor guy, he really wasn't a bad sort.

I'm glad I didn't go to a school where someone has to describe their educational history to make a point.

First off I didn't do that, or I would have told you about the tests and what I did in 8th grade and how I answered the essay question with a "pollution free engine" because I knew that would be the perfect policitally acceptable response sure to impress the drones who run this crap. And as a politically correct thing, completely immune to any actual technical analysis of the question and therefore the perfect response to an essay question for a technical focused state-run school. The was back in 1990 when the whole Earth Day bullshit was really getting started.

Second off you you don't know the half of it, after my graduating class it got far more crazy. 20 years later people prepare their kids for years all year round to get in to that school nowadays. Like 3-4 years of prepartory extra-cirricular course starting in 5th or 6th grade. I took one test cold and my mom said to me when I told her I was going to take it "Are you sure you want to do that? You are pretty lazy." Hah I showed her, I slept through most of my classes there. Laziness works because its efficient. If I had been real smart my invention would have been a drool absorptive school desk instead of a pollution free engine. Pretty sure the people who graded the test wouldn't have been too into that answer though. Dude I hung out with took the SATs hung over with no studying and got a 1450, sometimes he would just draw witches on his homework instead of doing the math problems. Things certainly changed.

Third off this response answers my question; this is a troll. I kinda already knew that though.

I'm glad I didn't go to a school where someone has to describe their educational history to make a point (tis so easy).

What point? I wasn't making a point, I was rambling. This whole thread has no point. The OP was meandering drivel and the rest is trolling.

 

[A_Leftist_Pig?]

And set.

 

[ArchAngel]

And set.

You are too easy to troll and I was bored at work.

Spoiler

does not change the fact you are retard that cannot figure out how to move items within party and skipped half the game and then complains he understands nothing.

 

[t]

First to fall was the Succubus. With the loss of her resurrection spell the next to fall was Morty.

Do you know that TNO can also cast a resurrection spell?

 

[A_Leftist_Pig?]

Not if he's a fighter dummy. There's an item for it. I used it on Morty for fun but I found its overpowered. If not even your companions can completely perish then there's no real challenge.

 

[mastroego]

Don't feed revisionists.

 

[t]

Not if he's a fighter dummy. There's an item for it. I used it on Morty for fun but I found its overpowered. If not even your companions can completely perish then there's no real challenge.

Fire up the game once again and talk to Deionarra in the Mortuary before escaping to Hive.

 

[A_Leftist_Pig?]

Ah!

You're right, he's supposed to be able to get a special ability right? I could never get it, even tho I talked to her alot...heck she wouldn't stop. I thought it was connected to his profession when I read about it on a fanpage later.
Gj if you figured it out. Yeah, sorry for insulting you there, too many tards on this forum.

One more thing I never got working even though I tried was the quest where you speak to Lenny and free a slave woman. I could never find the right guard to speak to so that the guilty one would get behind bars. In retrospect I figured it was the guy in the pub where I rescued Ignus but once I tried talking to him post Crust he wouldn't say anything except commend me on my actions.

 

[meanwhileInPoland]

so far from the very first page of codex :

-torment is shit
-morrowind is 4/10
-risen 3>gothic 1&2
-star wars mobile "rpg"
-8 pages of retards explaining themselves of 100 hours spent on Skyturd
-fallout 2 is shit
-"i have no patience for cprgs anymore"....
-System shock 2 is shit (J_C`s thread no surprise here)
-Fallout 3 porn



kill yourself faggots

 

[t]

Ah!

You're right, he's supposed to be able to get a special ability right? I could never get it, even tho I talked to her alot...heck she wouldn't stop. I thought it was connected to his profession when I read about it on a fanpage later.
Gj if you figured it out.

Well, I get the feeling that you might not have experienced the whole game, especially since you've finished it in 10 hours as you claim. Have you been talking to your companions? They have nice developing back story, you know. Have you completed most of the side quests? They are quite cool IMO.

One more thing I never got working even though I tried was the quest where you speak to Lenny and free a slave woman. I could never find the right guard to speak to so that the guilty one would get behind bars. In retrospect I figured it was the guy in the pub where I rescued Ignus but once I tried talking to him post Crust he wouldn't say anything except commend me on my actions.

Nah, I think it was one of the generic dudes in the Lower Ward.

 

[A_Leftist_Pig?]

I completed about 70% of them. I don't like to try and complete everything. My main quest is my main quest, that's the role the game has chosen for me. A few were tedious and others not rewarding enough. By 10 hours of gameplay I mean disregarding the contemplating and the reloading ^^

I did speak to my companions now and then, the rivalry between the two girls was interesting. Did you ever get Anna to talk to Fallen instead of brushing her aside?

 

[Prime Junta]

Speed runs through PS:T, then complains it "lacks challenge" and the story is "shallow."

'k.

 

[tuluse]

Yep, which is why IMO PS:T would've been just as good if you had only the items and level-up stat points, and started out with a fixed stat distribution. Especially as you have those tats you can swap in and out, f.ex. when switching between classes.

Normally in D&D you know how to distribute your stats based on the class you're playing. If you go into PS:T blind, there's just no way to know that WIS and CHA really are important, while you can safely dump DEX and CON no matter what you're doing. That's just an unnecessary curveball. The game isn't any more challenging with sub-optimal stats; it's just less enjoyable because you miss out on things and never even know it.

But that is really the only beef I have with PS:T's systems -- and I can't think of any game that doesn't have similarly boneheaded quirks, most of them much worse.

The main point is still the same: if you play PS:T like it was Baldur's Gate or Icewind Dale, you're gonna hate it. If you pay attention to detail and listen to what the game is telling you... there's nothing out there quite like it. And yes, the RPG features do contribute greatly. Without them it would've been a decent adventure game; with them, it's something uniquely awesome.

Well the game tells you that WIS gives extra XP and recovers memories (this might be in the manual, not the game itself).

So there's not no way of knowing. You also get an attribute point every level so you can correct mistakes.

Not that it's a great system, but there are some ways of seeing things coming.