Elder Scrolls Will the Elder Scrolls 6 have more depth than Morrowind

[Gerrard]

You claim Todd made the games dumb on purpose and not because he actually thinks his dumb ideas are cool. You're an idiot, and you would figure that out if you ever watched/read any interview with him and listened to the things he says.
End of discussion.

Do you think appealing to a larger audience on purpose is malicious?

If it dumbs the game down? Yes, it is malicious to me as a player who doesn't go around LARPing a town guard.

 

[sys0nar]

If you could choose between:

Millions of dollars to make a mainstream appealing RPG
or
Make a true RPG and go out of buisness

We all know what you'd pick.

 

[Avarize]

You claim Todd made the games dumb on purpose and not because he actually thinks his dumb ideas are cool. You're an idiot, and you would figure that out if you ever watched/read any interview with him and listened to the things he says.
End of discussion.


If it dumbs the game down? Yes, it is malicious to me as a player who doesn't go around LARPing a town guard.

I think Todd makes games to make money and as such makes games with the broadest possible appeal and he has succeeded in that. And you honestly think he makes dumb games cause he's dumb? Sounds like projection.

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

Todd could probably produce a great RPG of he wanted to. But he's out to make money, not RPGs.

Hanlon's razor.

Making money for your shareholders is neither malicious nor stupid.

Dumbing a game down on purpose for broader appeal vs dumbing it down because you're dumb.

So when Skyrim made a gazillion dollars more than its predecessors, it happened because Todd was stupid? How does Hanlon's razor apply to Broad appeal vs stupidity anyway? Do you think appealing to a larger audience on purpose is malicious?

Skyrim sold like Skyrim did because they were coming off Fallout 3, (which itself was a massively bigger success than what they previously did) and they actually put some money into marketing...Skyrim was one of the few video games to actually get primetime network tv spots. They could have made that game a RPG, had combat that wasn't shit, (or at least as shit, I'm not sure they're capable of making entirely non-shitty combat) made locations like Morrowind, and generally not have everything so dumbed down and it would've sold just as well.

Most of what seems like Bethesda's broad appeal moves in Skyrim, Fallout 4, and then later in Fallout 76 seem to be things their audience also don't really like, even if they do still more or less like what a Bethesda game allows them to do.

 

[Avarize]

Dumbing your game down does have diminishing returns and Bethesda has probably passed that point.

 

[MWaser]

Dumbing your game down does have diminishing returns and Bethesda has probably passed that point.

Skyrim does hit that sweetspot for autistic grindy sandbox, that's for sure. It's got that basic gameplay loop of explore->level up->loot->craft->sell to level up all skills and gain direct xp levels from (in a simplified mechanic even compared to the previous TES games), while developing a stable exponential power progression if you make use of smithing+enchanting, and offering all those radiant quests to not let you run short of dungeons. For people who don't look past the greater picture of it, it will be successful attention catcher, working off the same basic psychology as the majority of the most famous mobile games.

"simplifying it for broad appeal" is cutting it short - Skyrim is in many ways deliberately planned to be the way it is, with changes that differ significantly from simple dumbing down. The end results do end up mostly showing off the simplification, sure, but it's not fair to only lay it down to the generic argument of "it's simpler, therefore it's more popular". It's a fallacious interpretation of the Lowest Common Denominator appeal. If Skyrim was already sufficiently simple to broadly hit the target audience of people who like "games where you fight things with swords and magic", dumbing it down further will just reduce the amount of possible things for people to spend time in, therefore be less interesting and shorter-lived.

 

[Funposter]

Dumbing your game down does have diminishing returns and Bethesda has probably passed that point.

Skyrim does hit that sweetspot for autistic grindy sandbox, that's for sure. It's got that basic gameplay loop of explore->level up->loot->craft->sell to level up all skills and gain direct xp levels from (in a simplified mechanic even compared to the previous TES games), while developing a stable exponential power progression if you make use of smithing+enchanting, and offering all those radiant quests to not let you run short of dungeons. For people who don't look past the greater picture of it, it will be successful attention catcher, working off the same basic psychology as the majority of the most famous mobile games.

"simplifying it for broad appeal" is cutting it short - Skyrim is in many ways deliberately planned to be the way it is, with changes that differ significantly from simple dumbing down. The end results do end up mostly showing off the simplification, sure, but it's not fair to only lay it down to the generic argument of "it's simpler, therefore it's more popular". It's a fallacious interpretation of the Lowest Common Denominator appeal. If Skyrim was already sufficiently simple to broadly hit the target audience of people who like "games where you fight things with swords and magic", dumbing it down further will just reduce the amount of possible things for people to spend time in, therefore be less interesting and shorter-lived.

Which is what happened with Fallout 4, which sold around 1/3-1/2 of walk Skyrim did.

 

[V_K]

Of course it will have more depth. See that ditch over there? You can drown yourself in it. It's filled with nerd tears by the way.

 

[deama]

I heard that elder scrolls 6 is gonna be todd's magnum opus, and he's planning on retiring after making it.

 

[Darkwind]

If you could choose between:

Millions of dollars to make a mainstream appealing RPG
or
Make a true RPG and go out of buisness

We all know what you'd pick.

"Forget it Jake, it's the Codex..."

 

[Cleric of Asmodeus]

Yes

 

[CaffeineConquistador]

Todd could probably produce a great RPG of he wanted to. But he's out to make money, not RPGs.

Hanlon's razor.

Making money for your shareholders is neither malicious nor stupid.

Dumbing a game down on purpose for broader appeal vs dumbing it down because you're dumb.

So when Skyrim made a gazillion dollars more than its predecessors, it happened because Todd was stupid? How does Hanlon's razor apply to Broad appeal vs stupidity anyway? Do you think appealing to a larger audience on purpose is malicious?

You’re getting shittier and shittier games, what do you think?

 

[Avarize]

Todd could probably produce a great RPG of he wanted to. But he's out to make money, not RPGs.

Hanlon's razor.

Making money for your shareholders is neither malicious nor stupid.

Dumbing a game down on purpose for broader appeal vs dumbing it down because you're dumb.

So when Skyrim made a gazillion dollars more than its predecessors, it happened because Todd was stupid? How does Hanlon's razor apply to Broad appeal vs stupidity anyway? Do you think appealing to a larger audience on purpose is malicious?

You’re getting shittier and shittier games, what do you think?

Ignoring your original audience is not malice, indifference at most.

 

[MWaser]

Todd could probably produce a great RPG of he wanted to. But he's out to make money, not RPGs.

Hanlon's razor.

Making money for your shareholders is neither malicious nor stupid.

Dumbing a game down on purpose for broader appeal vs dumbing it down because you're dumb.

So when Skyrim made a gazillion dollars more than its predecessors, it happened because Todd was stupid? How does Hanlon's razor apply to Broad appeal vs stupidity anyway? Do you think appealing to a larger audience on purpose is malicious?

You’re getting shittier and shittier games, what do you think?

I suggest you look up the definition of "malice".

 

[Xelocix]

Modern Bethesda couldn't make a game with more depth than tic-tac-toe if they tried.

 

[Agame]

Modern Bethesda couldn't make a game with more depth than tic-tac-toe if they tried.

The question is how low does the bar go.

We all think Skyrim is bad but where does it end? Will Elder Scrolls 10 be Candy Crush with mudcrabs?

 

[ADL]

If you could choose between:

Millions of dollars to make a mainstream appealing RPG
or
Make a true RPG and go out of buisness

We all know what you'd pick.

I hear this argument all the time but I genuinely do not believe that an Elder Scrolls game with a reactive world filled with meaningful choices would ultimately be any less successful than Skyrim. What does a mechanic like spellcrafting and an optional journal so I'm not forced to follow the quest arrow take away from casuals?

Every time this sort of thing is discussed, I think about dreamboy and how much better these games would be with elements that take absolutely fucking nothing away from the casuals they're supposedly dumbing down these games for. It'd still be dumbed down shit but at least you'd have a decent foundation to build upon for modding purposes.

 

[Krivol]

I genuinely do not believe that an Elder Scrolls game with a reactive world filled with meaningful choices would ultimately be any less successful than Skyrim.

Less successful - maybe not. More expensive - yes!

AAA developers usually are sticking with templates. Why risk and spend a lot of money and effort on something deep, if what people want is runnig hills with naked sword.

 

[Sykar]

Modern Bethesda couldn't make a game with more depth than tic-tac-toe if they tried.

You are too generous.

 

[Yosharian]

Hahahaha people think that Bethesda will just let people mod ESO 6

 

[Caim]

Hahahaha people think that Bethesda will just let people mod ESO 6

They will if they want people to play it.

 

[Avarize]

Retards will still be buying TES 6 cosmetics made by modders ten years after release. Endless user generated DLC and microtransactions.

 

[Verylittlefishes]

lmao 10 years in making and still no official announcement.
this will be shit.

 

[samuraigaiden]

I’m 100% confident someone in a Bethesda board meeting has already suggested they drop the Elder Scrolls name entirely and just call the next game Skyrim 2.

 

[Verylittlefishes]

I’m 100% confident someone in a Bethesda board meeting has already suggested they drop the Elder Scrolls name entirely and just call the next game Skyrim 2.

Well, yes, nobody remember Morrowind anyway, their target audience was born the year it was released.