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Wing Commander

LarryTyphoid

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In case anyone else runs into that problem, I fixed it: just extract the DATA.DAT file into your main directory and make the appropriate changes to your .conf file. Make sure to back your shit up, first, because you'll need to overwrite some stuff. At first doing this completely messed up the game's sound because I fucked something up. Just overwrite it all and it should be fine.
 

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I also discovered something else about Wing Commander Privateer during my frustrated troubleshooting of WC3: you can disable the shitty voice acting, without disabling sound effects altogether, by opening up PRCD.EXE with a hex editor and replacing all 3 instances of "SPEECH.PAK" with something of equal length, like "SPEECX.PAK". Makes that game a lot more tolerable, especially since the shitty voice acting removes some information, like ship prices.
 

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Blair is such a whore in this game. In a previous cutscene with Flint he even says "I don't make it a habit of flirting with every female crewmember onboard", so he's a liar too.
 

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To be fair, there's also LT Laurel "Cobra" Buckley in the flight group and Blair leaves her alone for some reason, so not EVERY female crewmember :M
 

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To be fair, there's also LT Laurel "Cobra" Buckley in the flight group and Blair leaves her alone for some reason, so not EVERY female crewmember :M

I'd stay clear of a PTSD case that really likes her knife as well
 

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Lol'd at Mark Hamill talking about how Ginger Lynn Allen has risen from a "dodgy past". Apparently during this time she was trying to distance herself from pornography, but she returned to it a few years later.
 

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I beat WC3 awhile ago. Though I like how the story ended, the last level was an embarassment. The build-up is great: several missions away from the Victory, getting pre-recorded briefings from Paladin, with your three wingmen dying one by one on each mission - it really got me excited to see the climax. But then you actually get to Kilrah. The way they showed it in cutscenes, you're thinking it's going to be this epic trench run straight out of Star Wars, dodging enemy fire and carefully maneuvering through a deep ravine to make split second, one in a hundred shot on a small hole to blow the whole thing up. But instead, you warp onto the planet's surface (and it looks like shit, like the rest of the planet missions; the graphics just weren't up to the task of rendering a good looking planet until WC4), immediately cloak, and then you have to spend like ten real minutes slowly flying over to the navpoint (because you'll probably have used all your afterburner fuel in the fight with Prince Thrakhath and Hobbes while approaching the planet), never fighting any enemies because you're invisible, and then limply firing the nuke into the target with absolutely no enemy opposition. The cutscene that followed was pretty cool and made up for it somewhat, but man, this could've been way better. You don't even fly in a ravine like they show in cutscenes, probably because of graphical limitations. I guess they realized this too late but didn't want to reshoot the FMVs.
 

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Today, after a year, I've ended all the main Wing Commander games.
My top
1) wing commander iv
2) wing commander iii
3) wing commander
4) wing commander ii
5) wing commaner prophecy
I've also watched the movie. Jesus Christ.

EtcqTObJ.png
 

ValeVelKal

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Today, after a year, I've ended all the main Wing Commander games.
My top
1) wing commander iv
2) wing commander iii
3) wing commander
4) wing commander ii
5) wing commaner prophecy
I've also watched the movie. Jesus Christ.

EtcqTObJ.png
Still missing :
- Wing commander Privateer
- Wing Commander Privateer II
- Wing Commander Armada. I am not saying it is good.
- Wing Command Saga. It may be a fan mod, but it is also by far the best one of all the ones I have played (I, II, III, Armada) except Privateer. Against Privateer, I will just say I preferred Saga but YMMV.
 

Saduj

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Today, after a year, I've ended all the main Wing Commander games.
My top
1) wing commander iv
2) wing commander iii
3) wing commander
4) wing commander ii
5) wing commaner prophecy
I've also watched the movie. Jesus Christ.

EtcqTObJ.png
Still missing :
- Wing commander Privateer
- Wing Commander Privateer II
- Wing Commander Armada. I am not saying it is good.
- Wing Command Saga. It may be a fan mod, but it is also by far the best one of all the ones I have played (I, II, III, Armada) except Privateer. Against Privateer, I will just say I preferred Saga but YMMV.
Wind Commander Academy was another one.

Edit: Wind Commander Academy was actually a cancelled game about learning to fly kites competitively. There was a Wing Commander Academy though.
 
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Anyone got tips for playing Wing Commander 4 in WINE? I haven't been able to get it to work. I played the DOS version for awhile but then that bitch started crashing like WC3 did and I didn't feel like troubleshooting it again.
 

LarryTyphoid

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It has a configuration / install script for Lutris, but I haven't tested it:
https://lutris.net/games/wing-commander-iv-the-price-of-freedom/
Yeah, I tried that one before. Same results as running it in my general prefix, except it fucks up in a slightly different way with the virtual desktop.
Guess I'm gonna have to tinker with the DOS version again. The Wing Commander series seems to be full of absolute fucking headaches of technical problems.
 

LarryTyphoid

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I solved the issue, for anyone else who wants to play the DOS version of WC4. The music.tre files in GOG's release of WC4 DOS are corrupted. You can replace them with the files from the Windows version, or some other copy of WC4 that you can find.

GOG sure seems to have dropped the ball on just about every single fucking release of the Wing Commander series. I had to do tons of tinkering with all the Ultima games, too. Fucking lazy Poles.
 

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Damn, Wing Commander 4 is brutal on Crazy difficulty. Missiles kill you in one hit, every enemy has shit tons of them, they use them at every available opportunity, and you've only got about 20 decoys to get them off your tail. Is there a good and reliable way to dodge missiles?
 

DesolationStone

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I solved the issue, for anyone else who wants to play the DOS version of WC4. The music.tre files in GOG's release of WC4 DOS are corrupted. You can replace them with the files from the Windows version, or some other copy of WC4 that you can find.
Yeah I had the same problem and used the same solution
The windows version it's completely broken, we need to wait for the fanmade remastered
 

LarryTyphoid

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My wingman dies in the first skirmish every mission, and Banshees and Arrows are literally impossible to kill without missiles. This difficulty is fucking brutal, and it's only the second highest. I have to play every mission 10 times until I get lucky and my wingman survives long enough to get some kills.
 

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What do I have to look forward to?
which Chris Roberts probably made into a game because he secretly knew it was too shit to even pass as a straight-to-TV B-movie that not even people stoned out of their minds and half-conscious while flicking through channels at 2 AM would willingly watch

No...

He loved it so damn much he later went on to try to make WC into an actual series of movies. You've never heard of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_Commander_(film)?

Roberts is like the guys at Square Soft, he wishes he could have been a successful film director with all the bells and whistles to make his dreams reality. Both started in video games, and once they got enough success and funding, tried to make the leap only to both make a terrible movie and crawl back to games.

TBH when I first watched the Wing Commander movie all I could think of was wishing that I could watch the WCIII FMVs again it was so bad.
 

LarryTyphoid

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I think WC3 and 4 have pretty good FMVs. The one in WC4 where Blair sneaks through the space nazi ship was pretty cool. Definitely better than any other FMVs of the time, or since probably.
 

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Just finished WC4. I ended up bumping the difficulty down to Ace, and even then it was pretty tough. Anyway, it's a great game and a good way to cap off Blair's story. Reading a guide, I can see that some of the alternate "story paths" are just fluff and you're locked into defecting to the Border Worlds regardless, but it's all still very impressive considering how expensive the FMVs were. The plot was entertaining, I liked the characters, the actresses were good-looking - no complaints about the story or cutscenes. The ending can't really match the climactic appeal of WC2's duel with Prince Thrakhath or WC3's planetary nuke (Seether was a complete non-character; I didn't realize until reading the game guide after the fact that he was the retard in the bar at the very beginning of the game, and his duel doesn't even get its own music track like Thrakhath), but the debate was pretty cool.

That said, I think I like the mechanics of the "2D" WC games (1, 2, Privateer) over the "3D" ones (3, 4). I don't like how afterburner drifting is removed and replaced with autosliding. Autosliding is cool and all, but it doesn't feel like a satisfying trick like drifting. You can do some cool tricks with autosliding and gain some maneuverability, but it feels like shit when you're in a ship that can't autoslide and all of that maneuverability is locked off to you. How come the Arrow and Banshee can autoslide, but not the Hellcat? In the "2D" games, your ability to drift is naturally extended from your ship's weight, but in the "3D" games, it's an arbitrary choice as to whether or not a ship has autosliding capabilities.

I also HATE how it's nearly impossible to hit enemies piloting light fighters on harder difficulties without missiles. I'm sure there's some kind of trick to it, but from what I've read, people just cheese the AI on harder difficulties. I never felt like I had to resort to such a thing in WC1 and 2, even in the brutally hard expansion packs.

I'll probably go play and complete Privateer or Prophecy whenever I get around to it, but it looks like this is the end of my time with the "main" WC games. I'm glad I didn't listen to some of the people telling me to skip WC altogether and play Freespace instead. I had fun with all of these games, and I can recommend WC3 in particular to anyone casually interested in the space sim genre. It's a real shame Chris Roberts killed the franchise with his shitty fucking movie that had worse writing and casting than the video game FMV cutscenes (lol), but at least WC4 completed Blair's story in a satisfying way.
 
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Lol'd at Mark Hamill talking about how Ginger Lynn Allen has risen from a "dodgy past". Apparently during this time she was trying to distance herself from pornography, but she returned to it a few years later.


Maybe he missspoke and meant to say "doggy past?"

:philosoraptor:

Anyway, definitely do get into the Privateer games when you have time - the first one especially is really good. My last playthrough was a few years ago and it still holds up fairly well. Wing Commander: Prophecy (back then it competed against Freespace 1 and lost) is OK as well and at the very least you get to see how the timeline of the universe developed afterwards.
 

ValeVelKal

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Just finished WC4. I ended up bumping the difficulty down to Ace, and even then it was pretty tough. Anyway, it's a great game and a good way to cap off Blair's story. Reading a guide, I can see that some of the alternate "story paths" are just fluff and you're locked into defecting to the Border Worlds regardless, but it's all still very impressive considering how expensive the FMVs were. The plot was entertaining, I liked the characters, the actresses were good-looking - no complaints about the story or cutscenes. The ending can't really match the climactic appeal of WC2's duel with Prince Thrakhath or WC3's planetary nuke (Seether was a complete non-character; I didn't realize until reading the game guide after the fact that he was the retard in the bar at the very beginning of the game, and his duel doesn't even get its own music track like Thrakhath), but the debate was pretty cool.

That said, I think I like the mechanics of the "2D" WC games (1, 2, Privateer) over the "3D" ones (3, 4). I don't like how afterburner drifting is removed and replaced with autosliding. Autosliding is cool and all, but it doesn't feel like a satisfying trick like drifting. You can do some cool tricks with autosliding and gain some maneuverability, but it feels like shit when you're in a ship that can't autoslide and all of that maneuverability is locked off to you. How come the Arrow and Banshee can autoslide, but not the Hellcat? In the "2D" games, your ability to drift is naturally extended from your ship's weight, but in the "3D" games, it's an arbitrary choice as to whether or not a ship has autosliding capabilities.

I also HATE how it's nearly impossible to hit enemies piloting light fighters on harder difficulties without missiles. I'm sure there's some kind of trick to it, but from what I've read, people just cheese the AI on harder difficulties. I never felt like I had to resort to such a thing in WC1 and 2, even in the brutally hard expansion packs.

I'll probably go play and complete Privateer or Prophecy whenever I get around to it, but it looks like this is the end of my time with the "main" WC games. I'm glad I didn't listen to some of the people telling me to skip WC altogether and play Freespace instead. I had fun with all of these games, and I can recommend WC3 in particular to anyone casually interested in the space sim genre. It's a real shame Chris Roberts killed the franchise with his shitty fucking movie that had worse writing and casting than the video game FMV cutscenes (lol), but at least WC4 completed Blair's story in a satisfying way.
You are not over :

https://www.wcsaga.com/
It is actually the best Wing Commander in my opinion, though I have not played WC4.
 

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