Vapourware A new Deus Ex was in development at Eidos Montreal

[Grauken]

wikipedia considers Lawrence Person an authority on this subject

 

[kangaxx]

Wow some of you people are really autistic.

Sometimes their autism is useful or entertaining. In this case it is neither.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

I pity the people who fail to understand the usefulness of correct categorization.

 

[kangaxx]

I wouldn't worry, the orange robot will probably split off this hard-hitting duel into "Gaming Drama" before long anyway.

 

[Grauken]

Wow some of you people are really autistic.

Sometimes their autism is useful or entertaining. In this case it is neither.

Not true. Rusty's and Roguey's position versus mine shows a practical example of people who confuse story mode and setting. Rusty and Roguey think Cyberpunk is story mode (like romance or a heist story) whereupon I consider Cyberpunk a setting. Why? Because story modes are setting independent, you can have a romance in the future or the stone age or a fantasy setting. Try that with Cyberpunk. You can't. Ergo it's a setting.

 

[NecroLord]

Is Cyberpunk 2077 Cyberpunk?

 

[manifest]

Is RPGCodex cyberpunk?

...full of young guys with no social lives, no sex lives and no hope of ever moving out of their mothers' basements ... They're total wankers and losers who indulge in Messianic fantasies about someday getting even with the world through almost-magical computer skills, but whose actual use of the Net amounts to dialing up the scatophilia forum and downloading a few disgusting pictures. You know, cyberpunks.

 

[RobotSquirrel]

Is RPGCodex cyberpunk?

Is it sad that I own that phone.

 

[Turtle-Zone 3000]

I actually liked the IW era preliminary plan for a Deus Ex 3 of being set during the collapse. Allows reusing the original's factions in new context, and has some threads to work with (Mead is heavily implied to be corrupt or a puppet, but never dealt with, and 2052 is an election year. Several large states are already in open defiance of the curfew mandate.).

Like if you were to make a hypothetical Deus Ex sequel you probably want to have an ending that gives a rather different set of choices and preferably doesn't revolve around godhood.
You'd probably want to further explore the notion of decentralization and anarchy as opposed to our drive towards connectivity [Channeling Ted Kazynski and decentralized ideologies?], which could potentially yield something in this time period before the illuminati rise again. Also another thing I've noticed which the original does more than the others is referring to real things directly as opposed to something made up to solidify the idea that this is its own game world with its own historical developments as opposed to being closer to ours.

Other threads:
What happened to the remnants of MJ12? How long do they last or are they subsumed into the Illuminati?
What happened to the NSF and its allies when the US government and the world fell into disorder. Does rifts emerge within the NSF? [Idealist, libertarian, criminal elements]
What happened to Morgan Everett, how long did he control the illuminati post collapse?
What chaos was unleashed by the proliferation of nanite technology and how did the Invisible war nanite swells come into existence.
What was Paul Denton doing until Invisible War aside from setting up Apostle Corp in the interim.
What happened to Carter, Jacobson, Reyes, X-51, Smuggler [If he lived].
How long was the Grey Death still around and how widely was Ambrosia distributed [By Everett and X-51]?
What happened with regards to geopolitics, the US collapsed, which states went to war, the attempts at new nations?
Is Debeers still on ice?

 

[RobotSquirrel]

Is Debeers still on ice?

I would say so since Everett is a POS. JC euthanizing him is the right outcome, he makes clear his wishes.
Its a shame that there wasn't a third option, which is to smuggle debeers out with Jock's Helicopter lol.

 

[Ash]

I refuse to discuss a new Deus Ex until I see footage, and the odds are it's going to be shit anyway.

It's sad that with how political games have gotten these days (or pseudo-intellectual sociopolitical), one of the earliest to lean into this theme (Deus Ex) is still the most intelligent and red-pilled.

I love that Spector quote where he mentions players approaching him mentioning it's a leftie game, while others that meet him say it's the opposite. Well, I say it's neither (centrist), and only retards lean hard one way or the other. There's valid points and admirable goals inherent to both. Cue the whole autistic Codex getting triggered.

I feel I should elaborate on some of the statements I made earlier regarding female thinking: the vanilla purism at all costs/all mods are shit fallacy is emotional thinking, tied to emotional attachment of past experiences. Understanding that games can in fact be improved, sometimes even without any downside whatsoever, and have been many times is logical thinking.

Last lesson of the day, as if this shit should even need to be said, but that's the internet and its retards for you: understand that modders are not a single entity, anyone can try their hand at it from a 12 y/o child, to the typical codex decline-enabler, to game devs themselves with plenty experience and a passion for game design (e.g Sawyer's mod). Therefore lumping them all as one entity or unified group is neither emo nor logic-based, but rather retardation-based. Go play some mods that aren't shit (hard to find, yes, same with everything these days) and appreciate. A recent one I cannot recommend enough is Ashes Afterglow: literally top 10 FPS material and a modern classic, puts the modern industry to shame, and answers the question "what if FPS from the 2000s were actually good?".
Where else can you find true incline in this day and age except independent efforts? Thank me later.

 

[manifest]

only retards lean hard one way or the other

Only retards play in the middle of the road.

 

[blessed king of longing]

Schreier saying Embracer greenlit a new game:

implying they haven't been doing pre-production for a long time. ~6 years since DXMD came out

 

[blessed king of longing]

Really hope it's the third Jensen game and not a remake or some shit.

yeah they really need to continue the story that they weren't able to finish, it's going to be retarded if they do anything else

 

[kangaxx]

They'll end up trying to build the bridge between Jensen and the events of OG. Doubtless the earthquake will feature, as it is supposed to happen soon after the events of MD.

 

[NecroLord]

Doubtless the earthquake will feature, as it is supposed to happen soon after the events of MD.

The one that fucked up California?

 

[CrunchyHemorrhoids]

While it isn’t necessary, especially with GMDX/texture packs etc; it is strange that there hasn’t been an upscaled and/or modernised release of DX1, to cash in on it’s “cult” reinstall when you hear about it status, if nothing else

Then again SE treated it as a bottom of the bargain bin game for awhile, I think I got my GOG copy for $1.50

The game would need more than just a graphical revamp to sell to today's mass market and the new games aren't exactly runaway hits so not it's like they have a winning formula they could feel confident about remaking DE in (unlike say remaking TW1 with the TW3 formula). Could do the IP/future sequels more harm than good.

 

[Gilius Thunderhead]

Reminder that most labels are made up by magazines in order to make themselves appear "relevant"-

 

[Nano]

Cyberpunk is a subgenre of science fiction in a dystopian futuristic setting that tends to focus on a "combination of lowlife and high tech",[1] featuring futuristic technological and scientific achievements, such as artificial intelligence and cybernetics, juxtaposed with societal collapse, dystopia or decay.

Deus Ex 1 is literally cyberpunk. What the hell are you weirdos on about now?

 

[Roguey]

Cyberpunk is a subgenre of science fiction in a dystopian futuristic setting that tends to focus on a "combination of lowlife and high tech",[1] featuring futuristic technological and scientific achievements, such as artificial intelligence and cybernetics, juxtaposed with societal collapse, dystopia or decay.

Deus Ex 1 is literally cyberpunk. What the hell are you weirdos on about now?

JC Denton isn't a lowlife. He's a UNATCO agent, working for the man. Then he rebels and saves the world, and of those endings, "send the world back into a dark age" is the only one that could be considered punk (it is also very stupid, which is on-brand). Becoming a posthuman benevolent authoritarian yourself or giving control of the world back to the ultra rich isn't very punk.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

if you focus entirely on the setting you can construe basically any futuristic sci-fi work to be cyberpunk because it will eventually discuss the topic of how technology affects society

featuring futuristic technological and scientific achievements, such as artificial intelligence and cybernetics, juxtaposed with societal collapse, dystopia or decay.

therefore, this is essentially meaningless as a genre descriptor

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Cyberpunk is a subgenre of science fiction in a dystopian futuristic setting that tends to focus on a "combination of lowlife and high tech",[1] featuring futuristic technological and scientific achievements, such as artificial intelligence and cybernetics, juxtaposed with societal collapse, dystopia or decay.

Deus Ex 1 is literally cyberpunk. What the hell are you weirdos on about now?

JC Denton isn't a lowlife. He's a UNATCO agent, working for the man. Then he rebels and saves the world, and of those endings, "send the world back into a dark age" is the only one that could be considered punk (it is also very stupid, which is on-brand). Becoming a posthuman benevolent authoritarian yourself or giving control of the world back to the ultra rich isn't very punk.

amusingly a way that doosex MD is closer to cyberpunk than doosex is how much power governments(esp. a one world government) have in the original doosex, which is largely shifted to blaming corporations when MD comes around.
see e.g.,
https://deusex.fandom.com/wiki/Modern_Business_Review

It's actually kind of hard to make the trajectory of progress in MD/HR line up with what doosex shows

 

[Roguey]

if you focus entirely on the setting you can construe basically any futuristic sci-fi work to be cyberpunk because it will eventually discuss the topic of how technology affects society

featuring futuristic technological and scientific achievements, such as artificial intelligence and cybernetics, juxtaposed with societal collapse, dystopia or decay.

therefore, this is essentially meaningless as a genre descriptor

Looking at the big list of RPG settings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_campaign_settings and science fiction subgenres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Science_fiction_genres I admit that "cyberpunk" is the closest thing that you can use to describe the Deus Ex games. What term do you use to describe a sci fi setting that takes place in the near-future that doesn't involve space travel or a destroyed world? Cyberpunk, for the lack of a more-fitting term.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

if you focus entirely on the setting you can construe basically any futuristic sci-fi work to be cyberpunk because it will eventually discuss the topic of how technology affects society

featuring futuristic technological and scientific achievements, such as artificial intelligence and cybernetics, juxtaposed with societal collapse, dystopia or decay.

therefore, this is essentially meaningless as a genre descriptor

Looking at the big list of RPG settings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_campaign_settings and science fiction subgenres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Science_fiction_genres I admit that "cyberpunk" is the closest thing that you can use to describe the Deus Ex games. What term do you use to describe a sci fi setting that takes place in the near-future that doesn't involve space travel or a destroyed world? Cyberpunk, for the lack of a more-fitting term.

"near future sci-fi" is what it's called in literature

 

[lukaszek]

. What term do you use to describe a sci fi setting that takes place in the near-future that doesn't involve space travel or a destroyed world?

had a quick look, 'feghoot' got to be the one