Vapourware A new Deus Ex was in development at Eidos Montreal

[Grauken]

You quoting all those movies is funny, since Cyberpunk was a genre grown from and rooted in novels, and if you've read those novels you would have realized that Deus Ex is very much cyberpunk

oh of course, its more that from a visual perspective and the fact that most people have seen these movies its easier to explain because its obvious. Novels require people to you know, read and find information.
Notice how I didn't bring up Sheldon Pacotti's influences because its a bit more detailed and harder to track down specifics. The book that caused most of Deus Ex's redpill qualities is quite long and complex. (I'm also really scared about what it says is coming its been pretty damn on point so far).

I mean Treason has 61 units on Abebook, not exactly hard to track down if you're willing

 

[Roguey]

Timestamped, Ion Storm marketed as one so you and roguey are wrong.

Out of context. The full context is "What kind of hero are you? Heavy metal? Super-spy? Cyberpunk?" They're not talking about the genre, they're talking about being a literal cyberpunk.

Deus Ex IS cyberpunk of course

According to Mike Pondsmith, it is not.

"I played the original Deus Ex and enjoyed it a lot. Warren Spector is a master at layering complex plots and inferences. But Deus Ex always felt more like a conspiracy game than a cyberpunk game to me. Mirror's Edge is great, but too clean. System Shock and Oni [from Bungie] are also good. Perfect Dark. Ghost in the Shell. Matrix. And Grand Theft Auto 3 is basically cyberpunk minus the hardware."

"In the end, there has to be the right atmosphere. All echoes and dark city caverns. The right level of engagement. A world of human scaled characters fighting inhuman organizations, using technology to level to odds - but not to become supermen."

And I'm inclined to agree with him. There's a word for stories like Deus Ex, where some, but not all, of the genre requirement boxes are filled, it's post-cyberpunk.

 

[Grauken]

Deus Ex IS cyberpunk of course

According to Mike Pondsmith, it is not.

And I'm inclined to agree with him. There's a word for stories like Deus Ex, where some, but not all, of the genre requirement boxes are filled, it's post-cyberpunk.

Pondsmith piggybacked on the back of those people who created cyberpunk, his opinion isn't all that relevant

 

[agentorange]

is this another thread that will reach 1000 pages before the game is even out/before it gets canceled. who give a fuck. the game will release or it wont. who gives a fuck about all these little dripfeeds of news from jason faggot schreier and whatever other speculation and "leaks" (marketing tactic) from bozos

 

[rusty_shackleford]

deus ex is near-future sci-fi, it's not cyberpunk

 

[rusty_shackleford]

(I'm also really scared about what it says is coming its been pretty damn on point so far).

What it says about what is coming?

basically just a mashup of xfiles but it's mindblowing for a lot of the codex because they're either too young or too slavic to have watched xfiles

 

[Grauken]

post-cyberpunk

That's transhuman stories, basically Invisible War. The original Deus Ex is clearly cyberpunk

 

[rusty_shackleford]

post-cyberpunk

That's transhuman stories, basically Invisible War. The original Deus Ex is clearly cyberpunk

cyber, yes
punk, no

it's not a hard concept

 

[Grauken]

post-cyberpunk

That's transhuman stories, basically Invisible War. The original Deus Ex is clearly cyberpunk

cyber, yes
punk, no

it's not a hard concept

don't be a moron, lots of cyberpunk stories had no punks in them, thats just the genre moniker

 

[rusty_shackleford]

post-cyberpunk

That's transhuman stories, basically Invisible War. The original Deus Ex is clearly cyberpunk

cyber, yes
punk, no

it's not a hard concept

don't be a moron, lots of cyberpunk stories had no punks in them, thats just the genre moniker

cyberpunk = libtard cringe power fantasy, which implies the punk part

if you can't understand the difference between deus ex and nu-shadowrun games, I don't know what to tell you

 

[Roguey]

That's transhuman stories, basically Invisible War. The original Deus Ex is clearly cyberpunk

The Diamond Age is a post-cyberpunk novel that starts off with a subtle-as-a-brick metaphor involving the execution of a literal cyberpunk. I wouldn't call it a transhuman story. It's a broad subgenre.

 

[Grauken]

That's transhuman stories, basically Invisible War. The original Deus Ex is clearly cyberpunk

The Diamond Age is a post-cyberpunk novel that starts off with a subtle-as-a-brick metaphor involving the execution of a literal cyberpunk. I wouldn't call it a transhuman story. It's a broad subgenre.

The Diamond Age is about nanotech, one of the foundational concepts for transhuman stories. Try again

 

[rusty_shackleford]

That's transhuman stories, basically Invisible War. The original Deus Ex is clearly cyberpunk

The Diamond Age is a post-cyberpunk novel that starts off with a subtle-as-a-brick metaphor involving the execution of a literal cyberpunk. I wouldn't call it a transhuman story. It's a broad subgenre.

The Diamond Age is about nanotech, one of the foundational concepts for transhuman stories. Try again

not all transhuman sci-fi is cyberpunk

 

[Grauken]

cyberpunk = libtard cringe power fantasy, which implies the punk part

Never was, you're just a moron who doesn't get it

 

[rusty_shackleford]

cyberpunk = libtard cringe power fantasy, which implies the punk part

Never was, you're just a moron who doesn't get it

Always was.

 

[Grauken]

not all transhuman sci-fi is cyberpunk

Which I didn't say. Transhuman stuff is post-cyberpunk

 

[†††]

"No!"
"Yes!"
"No!"
"Yes!"

I'm enjoying this exchange.

 

[Roguey]

The Diamond Age is about nanotech, one of the foundational concepts for transhuman stories. Try again

It features nanotech, but it is not a story about people enhancing their bodies with technology.

 

[Grauken]

The Diamond Age is about nanotech, one of the foundational concepts for transhuman stories. Try again

It features nanotech, but it is not a story about people enhancing their bodies with technology.

It features a future in which nanotech plays a major role and reshapes society (note there are tech thrillers where nanotech is just a gimmick but doesn't change society, so those don't count), so yes its very much part of the set of transhuman stories.

 

[vortex]

How are stories and quests differ from cyber near future vs. real cyberpunk?

 

[rusty_shackleford]

cyberpunk lovers be like "wow, this game features water, is this a waterpunk game?"

 

[RobotSquirrel]

What it says about what is coming?

https://archive.org/details/Treason-TheNewWorldOrder-Gurudas1996
This was apparently the book that inspired Sheldon its in an interview as a source.

Chapter XVII Recent Attacks on the Militias and Patriot Movement. 217

Evidence Militias and Patriots Are Not Racist or Anti-Semitic, Phony Critics of
the Right, White Supremacist and Neo-Nazis, Media Propaganda, FBI Infiltrates
Militias, Left and Right Working Together, Liberal Paradox, Polls Supporting
Militias, Progressives Attack GATT/NAFTA, Populisms vs. Conservatives.
Focus on Large Corporations, Political Debate Not Allowed.

That alone should get you reading it lol. It came out in 1996.
What we have to look forward to:
Corporations becoming more powerful than governments
Putting poisons and radioactive materials in our food
Civil Wars
that's off the top of my head, I'd have to read the book a bit more thoroughly for specifics its been a while since I read it.

 

[karoliner]

Wow some of you people are really autistic.

 

[Grauken]

Wow some of you people are really autistic.

Slow day at work

 

[Roguey]

The Diamond Age is about nanotech, one of the foundational concepts for transhuman stories. Try again

It features nanotech, but it is not a story about people enhancing their bodies with technology.

It features a future in which nanotech plays a major role and reshapes society (note there are tech thrillers where nanotech is just a gimmick but doesn't change society, so those don't count), so yes its very much part of the set of transhuman stories.

Meh, well wikipedia considers Lawrence Person an authority on this subject so I'll just quote him.

Classic cyberpunk characters were marginalized, alienated loners who lived on the edge of society in generally dystopic futures where daily life was impacted by rapid technological change, an ubiquitous datasphere of computerized information, and invasive modification of the human body.

The best of cyberpunk conveyed huge cognitive loads about the future by depicting (in best "show, don't tell" fashion) the interaction of its characters with the quotidian minutia of their environment. In the way they interacted with their clothes, their furniture, their decks and spex, cyberpunk characters told you more about the society they lived in than "classic" SF stories did through their interaction with robots and rocketships. Postcyberpunk uses the same immersive world-building technique, but features different characters, settings, and, most importantly, makes fundamentally different assumptions about the future. Far from being alienated loners, postcyberpunk characters are frequently integral members of society (i.e., they have jobs). They live in futures that are not necessarily dystopic (indeed, they are often suffused with an optimism that ranges from cautious to exuberant), but their everyday lives are still impacted by rapid technological change and an omnipresent computerized infrastructure

JC "Maybe you should try getting a job" Denton is not a classic cybperunk protagonist.