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"I said I don't want to censor anyone while openly advocating for censorship! How dare you not believe me!"
yeah we're not falling for it lol
I never said I'm against censorship. I'm not - I'm all in favor. As long as it is used in moderation and as long as the rules are clear.
A "no politics" rule is very clear, I think.

How you take "I don't want politics here", but interpret it as "I don't want people to be allowed to criticize something I like"... you'll have to explain that one to me, because I honestly don't see the connection here.
 

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If you are on the extreme right end of the spectrum, everything to your left is a raging SJW... even those who'd probably agree with you on most points you think SJWs would disagree with you.

When something you enjoy is being constantly attacked in an attempt to turn it into a bullhorn for an unhinged leftist political ideology you don't have to be on the extreme right to have a problem with it, you don't even need to be on the right at all. Chances are though if you attack people enough they will start to align with with the opposite side.
 
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"I said I don't want to censor anyone while openly advocating for censorship! How dare you not believe me!"
yeah we're not falling for it lol
I never said I'm against censorship. I'm not - I'm all in favor. As long as it is used in moderation and as long as the rules are clear.
A "no politics" rule is very clear, I think.

How you go from "I don't want politics here" to "I don't want people to be allowed to criticize something I like"... you'll have to explain that one to me, because I honestly don't see the connection here.
who gets to decide what "politics" is?
 

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We can't even reach a consensus on what constitutes an RPG and some 'dexers expect it to be possible for politics. :M

Not a single poster could come up with a consistent definition of "politics" when I asked in the "Codex has become too edgy" and "Site split" threads.

When I asked I got a ton of wildly differing definitions. It's pretty clear that a "politics" ban would just come down to whatever a particular moderator defines as being political.
 

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"I said I don't want to censor anyone while openly advocating for censorship! How dare you not believe me!"
yeah we're not falling for it lol
I never said I'm against censorship. I'm not - I'm all in favor. As long as it is used in moderation and as long as the rules are clear.
A "no politics" rule is very clear, I think.

How you go from "I don't want politics here" to "I don't want people to be allowed to criticize something I like"... you'll have to explain that one to me, because I honestly don't see the connection here.
who gets to decide what "politics" is?
Well, obviously we first need to define what "politics" is...
:smug:

Seriously, though, that's not too hard, is it?
Anything that is related to contemporary political issues and that isn't a discussion of the actual game or related to it.
Like, e.g. someone in a thread about cringey writing in a game going on some off-topic rant about how terrible SJWs ruined gaming, cucks, soy, bla, bla, bla... You get the idea.
Of course it cannot only be in one direction. Some rant about how gamers are so sexist and racist and bla, bla, bla, bla.... would equally get the hammer.

I'd argue common sense is more than enough to detect it.

When I asked I got a ton of wildly differing definitions. It's pretty clear that a "politics" ban would just come down to whatever a particular moderator defines as being political.
Of course it would.
That's true for pretty much all issues of moderation, though.
You can make things more clear by establishing clear rules, but even that cannot cover everything and in the end, moderators have to make individual decisions - which should then be confirmed or taken back by a larger team of moderators.

Internet forums are not democracies - thankfully, or nothing would ever get done.
 
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Well, obviously we first need to define what "politics" is...
:smug:

Seriously, though, that's not too hard, is it?
Anything that is related to contemporary political issues and that isn't a discussion of the actual game or related to it.
Like, e.g. someone in a thread about cringey writing in a game going on some off-topic rant about how terrible SJWs ruined gaming, cucks, soy, bla, bla, bla... You get the idea.
Of course it cannot only be in one direction. Some rant about how gamers are so sexist and racist and bla, bla, bla, bla.... would equally get the hammer.
can you provide an example of a modern game inserting dialogue that is overtly sexist and racist?
because I can provide a LOT of the former

of course you favor an arrangement that benefits you greatly

It's amazing how shortsighted you are that you think this will be in your favor -- to be fair, this is very common for leftists because they seem to think they will always wield the power. Infinitron is a right-wing jew in one of the most ultranationalist, religious nations in the world, how long do you think it would take for him to consider even discussing gays to be political?
 
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Anything that is related to contemporary political issues and that isn't a discussion of the actual game or related to it.
Like, e.g. someone in a thread about cringey writing in a game going on some off-topic rant about how terrible SJWs ruined gaming, cucks, soy, bla, bla, bla... You get the idea.
Of course it cannot only be in one direction. Some rant about how gamers are so sexist and racist and bla, bla, bla, bla.... would equally get the hammer.
Which is something that's already dealt with through thread splits and the retardoing of threads. If you want a clean experience in the gaming forums, just report the faulty posts and the mods will deal with them if there're enough complaints.
 

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Infinitron is a right-wing jew in one of the most ultranationalist, religious nations in the world, how long do you think it would take for him to consider even discussing gays to be political?

Every single word of this sentence is pure, concentrated bullshit. Literally every single one. :lol:

P.S. Tel Aviv is considered by many to be the gay capital of the world, just by the by, mostly because of the absurdly large percentage of people there who identify as homos of various flavors and colors.
 
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Infinitron is a right-wing jew in one of the most ultranationalist, religious nations in the world, how long do you think it would take for him to consider even discussing gays to be political?

Every single word of this sentence is pure, concentrated bullshit. Literally every single one. :lol:

P.S. Tel Aviv is considered by many to be the gay capital of the world, just by the by, mostly because of the absurdly large percentage of people there who identify as homos of various flavors and colors.
Ah, but you're missing one thing:
I probably have more money than the rpgcodex gay lobby.
 

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Said that SJWs are idiots. Or idiotic. Edited my post to remove that, too, because I thought it was a bit too obvious trolling. Unfortunately someone quoted me before I removed it.
I never gave money to ResetEra, though - why do you think that? Serious question.

I do give money to NeoGAF, though. The forum that ResetEra split off from to become whatever the fuck ResetEra can be called now.
NeoGAF also banned politics on their forum - a move that sure ruffled some feathers but improved discussions there a ton.

Sorry, I got your leftist forums mixed up.
 

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Anything that is related to contemporary political issues and that isn't a discussion of the actual game or related to it.
Like, e.g. someone in a thread about cringey writing in a game going on some off-topic rant about how terrible SJWs ruined gaming, cucks, soy, bla, bla, bla... You get the idea.
Of course it cannot only be in one direction. Some rant about how gamers are so sexist and racist and bla, bla, bla, bla.... would equally get the hammer.
Which is something that's already dealt with through thread splits and the retardoing of threads. If you want a clean experience in the gaming forums, just report the faulty posts and the mods will deal with them if there're enough complaints.
In theory. But that puts a lot of work on the moderation team, making that a rather undesirable and thankless job, especially considering the increasing frequency with which that happens lately.

Easiest solution: Ban politics entirely and be done with it.
Nothing of value gets lost - because this is supposed to be a gaming forum.

Or split the forum - honestly, it's the same to me.

can you provide an example of a modern game inserting dialogue that is overtly sexist and racist?
because I can provide a LOT of the former
Gaming as a medium (and entertainment in general, I'd argue) is traditionally more left-dominated, so that's hardly surprising, is it?

With examples, that depends on how "modern" you want it.
There are a lot of SJW writers/devs that - in their strange desire to be uber-inclusive - actually end up being incredibly sexist and racist (and pointing that out will make them mark you as some kind of *****ist... it's quite funny).
The more "classic" forms of racism/sexism in games are found more often in older games as you probably know, as well as some indies (by far not all of them ever get the Twitter cancel mob treatment).

I'm not arguing that this one-sidedness isn't a problem.
But there will always be one dominating side - the solution is not to try and balance political commentary/inserts in gaming but to remove them entirely.

of course you favor an arrangement that benefits you greatly

It's amazing how shortsighted you are that you think this will be in your favor -- to be fair, this is very common for leftists because they seem to think they will always wield the power.
It's really funny how determined you are in trying to paint me as some kind of raging leftist.
I'm not and never will be, you can save yourself and myself quite some typing by just stopping to try.

This "someone I don't agree with has to be the exact opposite of me" idea is pretty idiotic, you know.
Not that I don't fall into that trap sometimes as well, but that doesn't make it better. I try not to, anyway.

I do not benefit from the current climate at all as my views are attacked just the same as everyone else's not to the extreme left are - as others have pointed out, my presence on this forum alone will be enough to paint me as the worst nazi in the eyes of the mob.
When they then actually check and see I do not like SJWs, oof. I'm not hiding my identity, either. Anyone can at any point find out with relative ease who I am, where I live, etc.
Should I ever come to some fame for whatever awkward reason, the cancel mob will come knocking.

The only benefit of banning politics to me would be a much more pleasant forum experience due to lack of people derailing gaming threads with politics.

Infinitron is a right-wing jew in one of the most ultranationalist, religious nations in the world, how long do you think it would take for him to consider even discussing gays to be political?
Are you straight up hallucinating now?
 
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Easiest solution: Ban politics entirely and be done with it.
Nothing of value gets lost - because this is supposed to be a gaming forum.
Too bad that it's not that easy to enforce such rules in a balanced manner. As I've previously stated ITT, you'll end up with either even more shitposts (since there's no GD for outright political discussions) if the mods are too lenient or with a sterile environment and with many of the forum's active posters leaving if the mods are too strict.

But meh, DU will do whatever he pleases. The 'dex was nice while it lasted.
 

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As I've previously stated ITT, you'll end up with either even more shitposts (since there's no GD for outright political discussions) if the mods are too lenient or with a sterile environment and with many of the forum's active posters leaving if the mods are too strict.
I don't think the first scenario is very realistic. If the moderation/admin team didn't think this was doable, it would probably not be discussed at all. But who knows...
The second scenario is a bit more likely, but you also have to see how many people would love to have a forum where they can discuss games without having to nod off or actively support the most extreme-left views of the mod team, while also not having to deal with the political shenanigans of the "natives".

Take rpg.net, for example. Seemed a perfectly fine place to me until I suddenly got banned for simply stating that I didn't like a game's writing because of how self-insertive and agenda-driven it was - which the devs themselves publicly admitted, nah were even proud of, so none of that was made up or unrelated.
But just me not liking that kind of writing - independent of agreeing or disagreeing with the politics behind it - got me a ban. My opinion was not political at all and not taking sides. Simply not wanting to be preached to in a game was enough to get the boot.
And ResetEra is even more absurd in its bannings ("Inflammatory Drive-by Posting" :lol: it's like "micro-aggressions")

On the Codex, even if you banned politics, you'd still be allowed to like or dislike whatever you want. Just keep it related to the topic at hand.
Same as NeoGAF, for example - except not focused on consoles and mainstream games and with a forum structure that doesn't make you want to tear your brain out and play basketball with it.
 

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On the Codex, even if you banned politics, you'd still be allowed to like or dislike whatever you want. Just keep it related to the topic at hand.
Same as NeoGAF, for example - except not focused on consoles and mainstream games and with a forum structure that doesn't make you want to tear your brain out and play basketball with it.

That's not how moderation and power works, and I'm surprised so many people support the same sort of policies then act shocked when the rug is pulled out from under them.

It's usually the "moderate" leftists who take this stance on issues also.

Ie.. the "benevolent" politicians with "progressive" ideals support some left leaning talking point X, and supporters say "what (s)he really means is Y and not X!", they come to power or the new "law/regulation" is passed, and predictably X happens.

People hand-wave a bit and the narrative moves on to the next issue because its finished and they don't need to talk about or support it any more. Anyone not following the new "rules" gets banned (if a forum) or arrested (if irl).

I can fill in some blanks for you if you want, but I'm trying to bring a spotlight to the "mechanics" of how this works and not the specific issues that go into X or Y because that inevitably leads to a discussion of that issue or why it isn't a 100% perfect analogy, and not because people appreciate perfect analogies, but rather they want to muddy the point I'm attempting to bring to light.
 
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Take rpg.net, for example. Seemed a perfectly fine place to me

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Yeah, good luck with the no politics rule when devs make it their number one thing to inject it into every part of the game.
You can talk about it, just so long as you make sure to praise the woke politics. Just like the Steam forums where they'll ban you for noticing how much LGBTBBQ is in WotR unless you're doing it while clapping with glassy eyes. :M
 

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SA was always shit, though, unlike the codex.
It actually wasn't. It allowed open discussion back in the day and then was taken over by cat lady and homosexual moderators that were the forerunners of tumblr ideology and policed the place exactly like resetera.
 

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Take rpg.net, for example. Seemed a perfectly fine place to me until I suddenly got banned
That's.... fair.
I could've done some research before I went there. Didn't do it and was actually surprised by what happened :lol:

Ah, you must've been to the wrong side of the Rule Zero in their policy! The funniest thing, recently I've been reading older threads there for AD&D research (not knowing anything about the site apart from the name), threads from like 2017, and at some point I started noticing how on any given page in a long thread there would be someone with the big red word BANNED near their name. I was scratching my head since the posters usually had thousands of messages, 10-year old posting history and usually had something reasonable to add to the discussion and then it dawned on me to Google "why is everyone banned on rpg.net?" Then... then my sanity got a bit lower. Turns out the nazi NKVD moderators there count every "infraction" of the rules from the beginning of time, and once you reach the magical number of 17 or something, you're banned. They have a specific forum for the bans, and I've literally seen "Hey, we've been WATCHING YOU, poster. Over your TEN YEARS of posting you've had SEVENTEEN infractions, it's time to STOP." That's besides the knee-jerk Rule Zero bans, of course. And if the moderator posts something in any thread WITH BIG RED LETTERS, you can't reply to that, that's a ban, too. I decided against registering an account there :D

Oh yeah, do you know what Rule Zero is? It's literally "you have to be welcoming and inclusive".
 

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