Baldur's Gate #BaldurGate: Siege of Dragonspear

[Theldaran]

The link to BG2 is handled in such a stupid way.

Says a lot about BG2's writing, doesn't it.

How? BG2 is disconnected from the first part. It's Beamdog whom are merging the two, an already hard task, but with the lack of talent they've long demonstrated.

About Mizhena -I still think it's shoehorned in an unnatural way, after all, the most meaningful thing she has to say is her transexual condition in a forced way, otherwise all she does is praise Tempus.

 

[pippin]

an already hard task

I don't know if we could call that a "hard task". Bioware just considered a canon party and that's it. IIRC it was already established that the charname and his companions were ambushed after killing Sarevok and that's how they were captured by Irenicus.

 

[Delterius]

The link to BG2 is handled in such a stupid way.

Says a lot about BG2's writing, doesn't it.

How? BG2 is disconnected from the first part. It's Beamdog whom are merging the two, an already hard task, but with the lack of talent they've long demonstrated.

You are captured by Shadow Thieves while in the company of the 'canon' party. That was estabilished in SoA. Its a bit contrived but at least acknowledges that you could have used different party through BG1, which is something SoA failed to do.

Yeah but the whole crime shit is unecessary.

It is an extension of something else which was also estabilished in SoA. You leave Baldur's Gate because people began thinking you are evil and stuff.

 

[Excidium II]

Part IV of my Siege of Dragonspear Walkthrough has been posted.

Hard to believe this whipped up such a shitstorm:

Beamdog that created the shitstorm. And the problem always was less about the tranny says and more about how you are allowed to respond.

 

[Zed]

there's no PR like gamergate PR

 

[Theldaran]

Yeah it's pretty bad that BG2 assumes that's your original party... but truth is, everyone else is dead and not returning, with the exception of the likes of Edwin, Xzar and Tiax (the latter as an easter egg of sorts).

They went the easy way and in those days it was a safe one. After all, the good path is very enforced in the BGs.

I haven't played the full Mass Effect series nor imported games to DA:I, so I don't know how they work, but that's what I call a "hard task", bridging two games separated by some years and probably done by different people, and solving the problem of what the player had done, and make it matter.

 

[pippin]

everyone else is dead and not returning

Coran and Safana are also present in BG2 (by request of a very pushy fan btw)

 

[Lilura]

Coran and Safana are also present in BG2 (by request of a very pushy fan btw)

Gah, they really fucked Coran up in BG2. Beamdog's brief treatment of him was OOC, too.

 

[Delterius]

Speaking of out of character!! I need help. I foolishly decide to play with the new expansion characters but I also need some info on how they treated the old. I know all about Minsc and Dynaheir, but if anyone could get me a screenshot of supposedly vegan Jaheira or kind hearted Viconia, it would really with the review.

 

[Mustawd]

Part IV of my Siege of Dragonspear Walkthrough has been posted.

Hard to believe this whipped up such a shitstorm:

Beamdog that created the shitstorm. And the problem always was less about the tranny says and more about how you are allowed to respond.

Wait...they put a tranny in this game!!??

 

[Theldaran]

everyone else is dead and not returning

Coran and Safana are also present in BG2 (by request of a very pushy fan btw)

Yeah, and also Ajantis makes a cameo to be killed, so we assume he wasn't popular enough to be in the starting 11 [football reference].

Truth is you just can't start in the dungeon with, say, Faldorn, Tiax, Montaron and Xzar, because they receive other roles in the game and are not playable characters. In the case of Edwin and Viconia, they are justified because it's assumed they did some things in-between.

 

[Delterius]

Yeah but that you played with these characters in BG1 is at least acknowledged. That's better than what we had before.

 

[Excidium II]

Can just larp those goody two shoes are the only ones that wanted to go on whatever new adventure you had in mind, everyone else had their own business to attend. It was never an issue.

 

[Theldaran]

Another way to address it is that Irenicus wanted those exact people under his "care", regardless of what Charname felt towards them. But then again, that was never implemented in any way in BG2 so it's a strict retcon. Any solution you seek is circular.

 

[Lilura]

I foolishly decide to play with the new expansion characters

Hah, so did I... from what little I saw of Viccy, it's like she doesn't stand up for herself. I replaced her and Safana with the two-in-one Glint (Cleric/Thief multi).

 

[Infinitron]

Speaking of out of character!! I need help. I foolishly decide to play with the new expansion characters but I also need some info on how they treated the old. I know all about Minsc and Dynaheir, but if anyone could get me a screenshot of supposedly vegan Jaheira or kind hearted Viconia, it would really with the review.

You could just replay the game's first chapter with various parties, which judging from the streams is where a lot of interactions are concentrated.

 

[Delterius]

I already did that and its not enough, I may screw around with the computer's internal clock to force speed interactions and see what's going on.

 

[Excidium II]

Another way to address it is that Irenicus wanted those exact people under his "care", regardless of what Charname felt towards them. But then again, that was never implemented in any way in BG2 so it's a strict retcon. Any solution you seek is circular.

Well the solution beamdong went with is that those are the people Imoen could round up for you. Funny thing is that on the stream I watched khalid was dead, so he wasn't even in the final group.

 

[Trashos]

Part IV of my Siege of Dragonspear Walkthrough has been posted.

Hard to believe this whipped up such a shitstorm:

It was not ONE thing that created the shitstorm. It was a whole list of things.

 

[Delterius]

Can just larp (...) never an issue.

Shamefur dispray.

 

[Excidium II]

What you gonna do? Character import is clearly just "there" as a feature. If you care about consistency with the game that came before, larp.

 

[Lilura]

Btw, class and stat-based reactivity is mostly token or for flavor, but there's lots more than in BG2.

 

[Zorba the Hutt]

Someone posted some screens of Nu-Viconia earlier, think it was Deepocean

 

[Excidium II]

Btw, class and stat-based reactivity is mostly token or for flavor, but there's lots more than in BG2.

Yeah, I noticed some of those. Like in the trial, paladins have the option to say "FFS I'm a paladin, if I was guilty of this murder my God would have disowned me" but clearly no logic can save you from fake trials.

 

[Theldaran]

Btw, class and stat-based reactivity is mostly token or for flavor, but there's lots more than in BG2.

Of course, I thought Bioware introduced that with the Icewind Dales and more extensively with IWD2.