Baldur's Gate #BaldurGate: Siege of Dragonspear

[ZagorTeNej]

Serious business, eh? :D

Goes without saying, RPGs are serious business even though we have yet to define what RPG actually is.

 

[Junmarko]

Doesn't seem to fit in the lore when you have in BG2, citizens of Athkatla burning Viconia at the stake for being a Drow, that transgendered people would somehow be freely accepted and sexism scorned upon

I think the point was more that FR wouldn't have the same concept of "transgender" as we do. They have magic to solve the issue etc etc

Vaginus extendor!

 

[Hobo Elf]

and you get the best of both worlds.

Like change to man when it's this time of month?

No, you change into a man and never change back. All the perks of being a man and all the perks of not being a woman. Best of both worlds.

 

[Black]

Haha this shit is gold!

And then they say SJW's are easily triggered :D

Hey you push people hard enough, eventually they'll push back (though personally I'm against witch hunts in any scenario). Of course on a small scale because unlike SJWs they (regular consumers) don't have the privilege of mainstream media and gaming journalism being on their side to spin the narrative.

Ideologues should learn to pick their battles (as much as it's hard for them to keep their self-indulging narcissism in check), you can't expect other SJWs to bail you out when the game is neither a pretentious 8-bit indie trash or dumb action game with high production values, treading carefully is especially required when you're riding on coattails of a beloved 90s classic with all the feelings of nostalgia involved. Either create your own IP or putt more effort into using the game as your soapbox, lazyness has consequences this time around.

Serious business, eh? :D

Seriouser than reviewing poe.

 

[Naveen]

http://imgur.com/a/ASid5

That's a perfect example of what is wrong with the writing of this game: the writers can't simply think outside their own heads and beliefs.

Viconia would never say something like that. Unfortunately I'm not an expert in drow's sexual behavior, but I'm sure a female drow chooses her partner and the male doesn't believe he is the master or in control. "When men TAKE a woman to their bed"? What? No drow would say that. She could have said "You rivinn [or whatever word she uses for surface-dweller] believe..." or "From what I have seen on the surface, many males believe..."

It's not a single line that needs fixing, the whole game needs some serious cleaning and rewriting.

 

[FeelTheRads]

I can imagine Hamber Scott slamming on the keys each time she types "men".

 

[J_C]

http://imgur.com/a/ASid5

That's a perfect example of what is wrong with the writing of this game: the writers can't simply think outside their own heads and beliefs.

Viconia would never say something like that. Unfortunately I'm not an expert in drow's sexual behavior, but I'm sure a female drow chooses her partner and the male doesn't believe he is the master or in control. "When men TAKE a woman to their bed"? What? No drow would say that. She could have said "You rivinn [or whatever word she uses for surface-dweller] believe..." or "From what I have seen on the surface, many males believe..."

It's not a single line that needs fixing, the whole game needs some serious cleaning and rewriting.

Exactly. There are dozens of fantasy books about drows, but the writers clearly haven't read any of them, else they knew how drows act towards men.

 

[Reinhardt]

Viconia was married twice and killed both her males, if my memory correct. And it's ok in Underdark.
So this talk just plain stupid.

 

[Brancaleone]

So the moral of the story is...?

I need a moral at the end of my fremdscham stories.

 

[Reinhardt]

So the moral of the story is...?

You can gather full party of Amber Scott self-insertions.

 

[Talby]

So, as far as franchise rape goes, is this worse or better than Fallout 3/4?

 

[Scroo]

And later she talks about her Lawful Good RPG character:
She manifested her virtue not only through charitable works of the traditional sort, but also by counseling safe sex, helping gay townspeople come out, combating the stigma of slut-shaming, and condemning those who would repress or inhibit sexual expression in others. She even carried abortifacients (though she never had occasion to use them).

What sort of DM would have a campaign that had a cleric go around helping gay townspeople come out? Forget about the lich and his undead army that's marching towards the town, there are more important matters at hand with helping the gay townspeople come out and practicing safe sex. Do they have condoms in D&D?

What sort of pnp group is this? On second thought, I don't want to know.

This is the most bizarre shit I've ever seen

They are literally playing tumblr with dice

 

[Tacgnol]

And later she talks about her Lawful Good RPG character:
She manifested her virtue not only through charitable works of the traditional sort, but also by counseling safe sex, helping gay townspeople come out, combating the stigma of slut-shaming, and condemning those who would repress or inhibit sexual expression in others. She even carried abortifacients (though she never had occasion to use them).

What sort of DM would have a campaign that had a cleric go around helping gay townspeople come out? Forget about the lich and his undead army that's marching towards the town, there are more important matters at hand with helping the gay townspeople come out and practicing safe sex. Do they have condoms in D&D?

What sort of pnp group is this? On second thought, I don't want to know.

This is the most bizarre shit I've ever seen

They are literally playing tumblr with dice

The rest of the party is off getting killed by a band of ogres. Their cleric was too busy offering advice on safe sex to heal them.

 

[Scroo]

No no, the rest of the party is off giving a lecture to the band of ogres about puhleeeease using the correct pronouns when addressing them

I SMASH HUMAN jesus christ how rude I identify as a trüdlesexual trans-gnoll you shitlord tsk tsk check your cis ogre privilege

 

[UglyBastard]

TBH, the most disturbing part about that post are the "abortifacients".

How fucked up do you have to be to carry around abortion utensilia JUST IN CASE?
Imagine her asking around in an inn: "Someone in dire need of an abortion in here?"

 

[GarfunkeL]

Why? It's the only realistic part of her character.

 

[UglyBastard]

Why? It's the only realistic part of her character.

Thinking about it, you are actually right, it's the least out of place for a cleric in this setting. In the general context of her character, I find it slightly disturbing though.

It didn't help that I initially read "abortifacts" and imagined some weird contraptions to extract the fetus.

 

[Roguey]

So, as far as franchise rape goes, is this worse or better than Fallout 3/4?

The only Fallout 1/2 character they ruined was Harold and whatever dumb things they did to the setting/lore didn't affect New Vegas, whereas the entire BG cast (and Irenicus and spoiler character) are dragged into SoD.

 

[Mareus]

1. The agenda is definitely there! The writer herself said the original game was sexist and needed of change to fit a more politically correct narrative more suited for 2016. She also said she always tries to push in SJW agenda into games, and that she doesnt care if people find it forced. The biggest change is in the mentality of Safana who has been turned from a seductress into a nagging bully bitch. Now, if the writer used those new lines on a character like Shar-Teel Dosan - it would be more appropriate - but the writer said 'fuck logic! This is about social justice and my friend Anita Sarkeesian says Safana is just a sex object, so I will change her and make her better, and if anyone disagrees with my new SJW narrative, too bad!'

2. Messing with the original material is bad enough - just that alone will piss some people off - but when you openly come out and say that the original game was sexist and in need of change, you come off as a condescending preachy asshole who is shitting all over the fans and the original creators. When you say you dont care what anyone will say about it you are adding salt to the injury, and when you then double down and go into full attack mode by lying how this is about 1 transgender character and then even go to Jezbell and Anita Sarkeesian of all places to spread that misinformation, its like putting a red target on your forehead and saying: "I am going to shove my politics down your throat and you can't touch me, nana nana nanaa nanana!" What. The. Fuck. ??

3. There are countless examples people brought up, and you cant tell me they dont exist. From a completely needless jab at gamergate, which felt completely out of place and forced by fan's favorite MINSC out of all characters, to some female characters shutting off conversation referencing mansplaining and transgender character with a perfect normal Faerun name, telling you in your face out of nowhere that she chose that name because she is transgender.

4. Having transgender characters is nothing new to Faerun and fantasy games. Original BG had a belt of gender transformation, Elminster from the books - who also appears in original BG - was at one point turned into a female by the gods so that he would learn to understand females better. There are characters who can turn into animals, gods who appear in both male and female form, etc. Original BG had black and asian characters who fans loved! Viconia's whole storyline was about racism of the surface dwellers to her drow heritage! AND IT WAS NEVER A PROBLEM! In fact diversity is one of the reasons why fans like myself love original BG and fantasy in general! People had a problem with a transgender character in the new expansion because it was poorly written and the conversation made absolutely no sense. When you combine that with the writer shitting on their fanbase with their SJW comments, the cultural war that is happening on all fronts between SJWs vs the sane world, and then the developers calling their fanbase small-minded and trying to spin legitimate criticism as trans-misogyny to extreme feminist radicals such as Jezbell and Anita Sarkeesian, its like taking a plugged-in toaster and jumping into an ocean.

Needless to say, this whole thing could have been avoided and the game would probably sell pretty well if Beamdog approached the whole thing less preachy, less arrogantly and above all more honestly.

I hope this doesn't destroy the franchise. Despite this incident, I would still rather have Beamdog doing BG than selling it to some greedy company like Bethesda. I love 2D look of BG and I do not want it to become another 1st person open world dumbdownfuckery.

 

[kwanzabot]

So, as far as franchise rape goes, is this worse or better than Fallout 3/4?

at least bethesda had the decency to make their own separate story(ies) on the other side of the country and threw a few of the fallout 2 devs a bone to make their own fallout 3(even if they did rip them off in a way any business would of)


sod? these guys are something else




this amber scott girl just suffers from a lack of dick, the same thing happens to guys when they have a lack of pussy(see the gd on this forum) when people dont have enough sex their brains get fucked instead of their dicks/pussies and they turn into monsters

 

[Kem0sabe]

1. The agenda is definitely there! The writer herself said the original game was sexist and needed of change to fit a more politically correct narrative more suited for 2016. She also said she always tries to push in SJW agenda into games, and that she doesnt care if people find it forced. The biggest change is in the mentality of Safana who has been turned from a seductress into a nagging bully bitch. Now, if the writer used those new lines on a character like Shar-Teel Dosan - it would be more appropriate - but the writer said 'fuck logic! This is about social justice and my friend Anita Sarkeesian says Safana is just a sex object, so I will change her and make her better, and if anyone disagrees with my new SJW narrative, too bad!'

2. Messing with the original material is bad enough - just that alone will piss some people off - but when you openly come out and say that the original game was sexist and in need of change, you come off as a condescending preachy asshole who is shitting all over the fans and the original creators. When you say you dont care what anyone will say about it you are adding salt to the injury, and when you then double down and go into full attack mode by lying how this is about 1 transgender character and then even go to Jezbell and Anita Sarkeesian of all places to spread that misinformation, its like putting a red target on your forehead and saying: "I am going to shove my politics down your throat and you can't touch me, nana nana nanaa nanana!" What. The. Fuck. ??

3. There are countless examples people brought up, and you cant tell me they dont exist. From a completely needless jab at gamergate, which felt completely out of place and forced by fan's favorite MINSC out of all characters, to some female characters shutting off conversation referencing mansplaining and transgender character with a perfect normal Faerun name, telling you in your face out of nowhere that she chose that name because she is transgender.

4. Having transgender characters is nothing new to Faerun and fantasy games. Original BG had a belt of gender transformation, Elminster from the books - who also appears in original BG - was at one point turned into a female by the gods so that he would learn to understand females better. There are characters who can turn into animals, gods who appear in both male and female form, etc. Original BG had black and asian characters who fans loved! Viconia's whole storyline was about racism of the surface dwellers to her drow heritage! AND IT WAS NEVER A PROBLEM! In fact diversity is one of the reasons why fans like myself love original BG and fantasy in general! People had a problem with a transgender character in the new expansion because it was poorly written and the conversation made absolutely no sense. When you combine that with the writer shitting on their fanbase with their SJW comments, the cultural war that is happening on all fronts between SJWs vs the sane world, and then the developers calling their fanbase small-minded and trying to spin legitimate criticism as trans-misogyny to extreme feminist radicals such as Jezbell and Anita Sarkeesian, its like taking a plugged-in toaster and jumping into an ocean.

Needless to say, this whole thing could have been avoided and the game would probably sell pretty well if Beamdog approached the whole thing less preachy, less arrogantly and above all more honestly.

I hope this doesn't destroy the franchise. Despite this incident, I would still rather have Beamdog doing BG than selling it to some greedy company like Bethesda. I love 2D look of BG and I do not want it to become another 1st person open world dumbdownfuckery.

Beamdog doesn't own the license, I would rather see Atari/Hasbro/whomever give another developer a chance than having these cucks continue to fuck it up.

But after legends of the sword coast, I figure they simply don't give a fuck about the end result.

 

[Shin]

So, as far as franchise rape goes, is this worse or better than Fallout 3/4?

That's a hard one. I'd still say F3/F4 take the cake for destroying all semblance of Fallout gameplay. BG: SoD might be a trannyfest or whatever but I haven't really heard much bitching about the actual gameplay other than the usual 'hur durr copy paste fight', which is the same crap people give the IE games in general.

I hope this doesn't destroy the franchise. Despite this incident, I would still rather have Beamdog doing BG than selling it to some greedy company like Bethesda. I love 2D look of BG and I do not want it to become another 1st person open world dumbdownfuckery.

destroy the baldurs gate franchise? the only way they'd even get around to BG3 is if they switched up the engine and turned it into first person open world dumbdownfuckery, so in that regards, maybe we should be glad if SoD fails so they'll leave BG's violated corpse alone for another decade.

 

[Prime Junta]

Beamdog doesn't own the license, I would rather see Atari/Hasbro/whomever give another developer a chance than having these cucks continue to fuck it up.

But after legends of the sword coast, I figure they simply don't give a fuck about the end result.

The problem is that you guys lost in the marketplace. There's just not a whole lot of money in catering exclusively to the alt-right/neoreactionary/GG fringe.

 

[Zorba the Hutt]

Beamdog doesn't own the license, I would rather see Atari/Hasbro/whomever give another developer a chance than having these cucks continue to fuck it up.

But after legends of the sword coast, I figure they simply don't give a fuck about the end result.

The problem is that you guys lost in the marketplace. There's just not a whole lot of money in catering exclusively to the alt-right/neoreactionary/GG fringe.

So there's more money in selling Baldur's Gate expansions to Femfreq regulars? Guess we'll see how Beamdog does.

 

[GrainWetski]

Someone really needs to stop reading Polygon and the likes.