Baldur's Gate #BaldurGate: Siege of Dragonspear

[Prime Junta]

The Codex already got trolled. By Beamdog. Not a whole lot I can add to that.

 

[FeelTheRads]

People were "offended" because it's badly written (really, really, horribly badly written), out of place in the setting, and the responses where all "Oh, that's so interesting and cool, thank you ever so much for sharing your harrowing, but brave, story of overcoming hardship and prejudice."

It's particularly annoying how if you want to ask more questions you have to be nice. "An interesting past". lulz. Not interesting at all.
Also that syllables from different languages... lolwat. I was not aware syllables are identifiable by the language they come from or vice-versa, but I'm not a writatrix, I guess.

 

[kwanzabot]

fuck gook junta and his small dick

 

[Immortal]

The Codex already got trolled. By Beamdog. Not a whole lot I can add to that.

• You mean having their game bombed on every review site..
  
• hitting the top sellers page for less than 2 seconds before tanking to page 7..
  
• having the CEO come out and essentially beg for publicity and sales..
  
• have their PR completely shit the bed on twitter begging for backup then deleting the tweets
  
• have all the employee's set their twitter pages to private
  
• and then finally give in to our demands. (Which then alienated any new SJW fans they got in the process)

Oh yea.. they really got us.. Damn Beamdog.. I'll never say anything bad about you again!

 

[Alfgart]

I think it's more like Prima Junta was in the mood for trolling today.

 

[Excidium II]

People were "offended" because it's badly written (really, really, horribly badly written), out of place in the setting, and the responses where all "Oh, that's so interesting and cool, thank you ever so much for sharing your harrowing, but brave, story of overcoming hardship and prejudice."

It's particularly annoying how if you want to ask more questions you have to be nice. "An interesting past". lulz. Not interesting at all.
Also that syllables from different languages... lolwat. I was not aware syllables are identifiable by the language they come from or vice-versa, but I'm not a writatrix, I guess.

I still don't know what's unusual about that name.

 

[Delterius]

I'm just saying that the idea that all games have no message or politics is laughable.

No doubt you can agree there's a difference between being political and being part of a political mindset? Arcanum contain instances of politics that mirror a simplified version of XIXth to XXth century History and deals in race, class, economic and political iniquities. However, these don't come together under a single, unified narrative towards a given worldview that tends to take people away from the fantasy.

This is why when dealing in heated debates such as the 2010s great gender issues Question subtlety is key. Its important to trust that the audience can piece everything together by itself. I hate to bring this up but Undertale has a major character that is pretty much a product of the current times and whose arc is about 'coming out as who you are' and people connect the dots with gay and trans movements.

Spoiler

Yet its actually an efemminate ghost turning into a robot

Nobody got moved by the sudden tangents and comics and 90s cartoons engaged in to talk about the evils of Drugs and unprotected sex. People laughed at them and they still laugh to this day. For that matter, neither do people, today, look at the 'outrageously gay' token character from that era's sitcoms in a favourable way. That's what this is all about and why so many trans people are going on record against 'Myzhena'.

 

[mastroego]

transgender woman, Mizhena, who has exactly one short dialogue entry on the subject when asked, followed by the player character going “Okay,” and changing the subject

That's what all the fuss is about?

Man, talk about easily offended.

People were "offended" because it's badly written (really, really, horribly badly written), out of place in the setting, and the responses where all "Oh, that's so interesting and cool, thank you ever so much for sharing your harrowing, but brave, story of overcoming hardship and prejudice."

First time I read it actually.
It's not "badly written", it literally reads like a PARODY of what a SJW would write.
It makes you wonder if these people are for real.

 

[FeelTheRads]

I still don't know what's unusual about that name.

It feels like a cheap pickup line. I imagine if the writatrix were to write an actual one it would be like "Did you fall from Mount Celestia because you look like a Planetar".

 

[Excidium II]

DarkSephiroth666 - "What an unusual name you have!!^^"

 

[<3sRichardSimmons]

I can't understand why any of you care about this at all. Are you all really so young and naive that a game with shitty writing and inept and out of place political preaching gets you so raw?

I have news for you: the world is cruel and most people don't care what you think and will assume you're stupid if you disagree with them. This is true no matter who you are.

Just take a walk and enjoy the sunshine. Life is too short to get bent out of shape by idiots who don't know they're idiots.

 

[DeepOcean]

The whole game was influenced by Librulism, it isn't as overblown and jarring as on the case of the tranny but it is in there, if you are easily triggered by this stuff, it is annoying.

Some dudes stolen my money, I can't denounce them to the Flamming fists and I killing them is supposedly evil and when you confront them they come with "We are poor refugees, you are an asshole for wanting your money back." just to stand all armed to kill me. Yeah, I know this game was done before the refugee crisis but Berlin should be renamed "Baldur's Gate" with the barbarian horde holy jihad at the gates.

 

[Excidium II]

I can't understand why any of you care about this at all. Are you all really so young and naive that a game with shitty writing and inept and out of place political preaching gets you so raw?

I have news for you: the world is cruel and most people don't care what you think and will assume you're stupid if you disagree with them. This is true no matter who you are.

Just take a walk and enjoy the sunshine. Life is too short to get bent out of shape by idiots who don't know they're idiots.

>>> www.rpgwatch.com <<<

 

[tormund]

The Codex already got trolled. By Beamdog. Not a whole lot I can add to that.

Trolled by Dragonspear's probably poor sales, and the effect those poor sales of long developed product might have on Beamdog's future?

 

[Mustawd]

I think it's important to remember that the LGBTQ community has genuinely been going through a culture war to establish themselves as groups that should be recognized and accepted. And that war has not been particularly nice or civil (on both sides really). So it's understandable that a lot of people in that community felt the need to become antagonistic, outspoken, and even create their own language of sorts (i.e. their constant dropping of the word "cisgender" as if it needs to be used as much as it does FFS; but that's mostly a pet peeve of mine).

What I don't understand is the need to continue that type of inflammatory, "us against everyone", kind of rhetoric in areas that are not needed. It's like the struggle to have gay marriage and transgender equality laws pass was so difficult that it permanently warped their sense of how 90% of society functions. They're like someone with PTSD. And I mean it seriously.

It's like the difference between knowing a Christian (oh you're Christian? That's cool man; Yeah, I kind of grew up Catholic, but haven't been to church in a while) and knowing one of those insane and intense Christians who think Satan is around every corner (Uhm..it's just a children's book man. If you don't like t don't read it..). In either case, my politics have remained the same, but it's the approach that turns me off.

And these aptly named SJWs, seem to forget that the W hat should probably come off when it's not really necessary.

 

[Immortal]

I can't understand why any of you care about this at all. Are you all really so young and naive that a game with shitty writing and inept and out of place political preaching gets you so raw?

I have news for you: the world is cruel and most people don't care what you think and will assume you're stupid if you disagree with them. This is true no matter who you are.

Just take a walk and enjoy the sunshine. Life is too short to get bent out of shape by idiots who don't know they're idiots.

Thanks for coming in here, stripping naked and rubbing your ass across the carpet then dropping the mic like we should all be impressed.
Do you think the fact you go outside or something is like.. a big deal?

This thread was obviously meant as humorous satire.
If you can't laugh at the situation - You are already dead on the inside and should remove your empty soulless husk of a corpse from this planet.

 

[Telengard]

I can't understand why any of you care about this at all. Are you all really so young and naive that a game with shitty writing and inept and out of place political preaching gets you so raw?

I have news for you: the world is cruel and most people don't care what you think and will assume you're stupid if you disagree with them. This is true no matter who you are.

Just take a walk and enjoy the sunshine. Life is too short to get bent out of shape by idiots who don't know they're idiots.

Dude! Did you just tell a bunch of nerds to get off the computer and go outside?

Okay, mom.

 

[Mustawd]

I have news for you: the world is cruel and most people don't care what you think and will assume you're stupid if you disagree with them.

Again, you realize that the people who had a problem with this were a large part of the audience right? It also included a lot of trans gamers who were very vocal about their dislike of a trans person being represented that way.

 

[AwesomeButton]

The irony is, though, you guys are doing the exact thing you accuse SJW's of doing: subjecting a game to a political litmus test. If it doesn't fit your politics, you rage.

This argument is full of shit. It turns the principle of presumption of innocence upside down. Normal people don't subject a game to a political litmus test unless given good reason - because doing that test requires effort, and people try to avoid unwarranted effort. However, when people who are not themselves fanatics, start noticing an author's agenda, this points to shit writing, plain and simple.

Yeah, I also got triggered by this sloppy attempt at writing. I found their complete lack of talent, knowledge, experience and creativity to be extremely problematic. I want them to check their privilege regarding their status as "writers".

 

[Prime Junta]

The irony is, though, you guys are doing the exact thing you accuse SJW's of doing: subjecting a game to a political litmus test. If it doesn't fit your politics, you rage.

This argument is full of shit. It turns the principle of presumption of innocence upside down. Normal people don't subject a game to a political litmus test unless given good reason - because doing that test requires effort, and people try to avoid unwarranted effort. However, when people who are not themselves fanatics, start noticing an author's agenda, this points to shit writing, plain and simple.

If "normal people" don't notice anything, that just means that something follows the status quo. And the status quo isn't apolitical; it's conservative by definition.

 

[Mustawd]

The irony is, though, you guys are doing the exact thing you accuse SJW's of doing: subjecting a game to a political litmus test. If it doesn't fit your politics, you rage.

This argument is full of shit. It turns the principle of presumption of innocence upside down. Normal people don't subject a game to a political litmus test unless given good reason - because doing that test requires effort, and people try to avoid unwarranted effort. However, when people who are not themselves fanatics, start noticing an author's agenda, this points to shit writing, plain and simple.

If "normal people" don't notice anything, that just means that something follows the status quo. And the status quo isn't apolitical; it's conservative by definition.

It's also mainstream by definition. I don't see anything wrong with that if you are trying to appeal to a mainstream audience. Don't want to appeal to a mainstream audience? Then maybe you shouldn't make a BG game and instead make a game called Tyranny Tranny.

 

[HatTrick]

I'm just saying that the idea that all games have no message or politics is laughable.

No doubt you can agree there's a difference between being political and being part of a political mindset? Arcanum contain instances of politics that mirror a simplified version of XIXth to XXth century History and deals in race, class, economic and political iniquities. However, these don't come together under a single, unified narrative towards a given worldview that tends to take people away from the fantasy.

This is why when dealing in heated debates such as the 2010s great gender issues Question subtlety is key. Its important to trust that the audience can piece everything together by itself. I hate to bring this up but Undertale has a major character that is pretty much a product of the current times and whose arc is about 'coming out as who you are' and people connect the dots with gay and trans movements.

Spoiler

Yet its actually an efemminate ghost turning into a robot

Nobody got moved by the sudden tangents and comics and 90s cartoons engaged in to talk about the evils of Drugs and unprotected sex. People laughed at them and they still laugh to this day. For that matter, neither do people, today, look at the 'outrageously gay' token character from that era's sitcoms in a favourable way. That's what this is all about and why so many trans people are going on record against 'Myzhena'.

Agreed. However, I still find it suspect that people are reacting so strongly to this and trying to play it off as "Oh, it's isn't just the tranny that's making me mad!" I mean, I never noticed a strong reaction against Pillars of Eternity's "bad" writing while I was lurking here until after the poem debacle, and certainly no one cared about Sword Coast Legends being a poorly written failure to get angry about it. I wouldn't consider nostalgia for the old game to be an excuse either because, much like Star Wars, the old game is always going to be there, untouched and pristine from the horrible influence of the new stuff, so the argument that "ITZ RUINING BALDUR'S GATE!!11!" is laughable.

 

[Immortal]

However, I still find it suspect that people are reacting so strongly to this and trying to play it off as "Oh, it's isn't just the tranny that's making me mad!" I mean, I never noticed a strong reaction against Pillars of Eternity's "bad" writing while I was lurking here until after the poem debacle, and certainly no one cared about Sword Coast Legends being a poorly written failure to get angry about it.

Okay seriously.. how have you avoided a dumb fuck tag for this long?

I'd quibble by pointing out that BG is hardly mainstream, clunky 1990's graphics and all... but that would actually strengthen your point, as it means its core audience is likely to tilt conservative. Moreso with the boobplate-era heroic fantasy, which is an inherently conservative, even reactionary genre.

Didn't Conservatives used to be anti-nudity anti-sexual content anti-violence in the 90's?

 

[Prime Junta]

The irony is, though, you guys are doing the exact thing you accuse SJW's of doing: subjecting a game to a political litmus test. If it doesn't fit your politics, you rage.

This argument is full of shit. It turns the principle of presumption of innocence upside down. Normal people don't subject a game to a political litmus test unless given good reason - because doing that test requires effort, and people try to avoid unwarranted effort. However, when people who are not themselves fanatics, start noticing an author's agenda, this points to shit writing, plain and simple.

If "normal people" don't notice anything, that just means that something follows the status quo. And the status quo isn't apolitical; it's conservative by definition.

It's also mainstream by definition. I don't see anything wrong with that if you are trying to appeal to a mainstream audience. Don't want to appeal to a mainstream audience? Then maybe you shouldn't make a BG game and instead make a game called Tyranny Tranny.

I'd quibble by pointing out that BG is hardly mainstream, clunky 1990's graphics and all... but that would actually strengthen your point, as it means its core audience is likely to tilt conservative. Moreso with the boobplate-era heroic fantasy, which is an inherently conservative, even reactionary genre.

 

[Zorba the Hutt]

I never noticed a strong reaction against Pillars of Eternity's "bad" writing while I was lurking here until after the poem debacle, and certainly no one cared about Sword Coast Legends being a poorly written failure to get angry about it..

This thread just keeps delivering