Baldur's Gate #BaldurGate: Siege of Dragonspear

[Mustawd]

However, I still find it suspect that people are reacting so strongly to this and trying to play it off as "Oh, it's isn't just the tranny that's making me mad!"

It' was the obvious SJW politics (and being a social liberal find a lot to agree with here) plus lazy implementation/obvious tokenism in a game where Beamdog had indicated they would respect the lore o f BG and everything that came before. And it did not include characters who were tokens for tokens sake.

 

[Mustawd]

The irony is, though, you guys are doing the exact thing you accuse SJW's of doing: subjecting a game to a political litmus test. If it doesn't fit your politics, you rage.

This argument is full of shit. It turns the principle of presumption of innocence upside down. Normal people don't subject a game to a political litmus test unless given good reason - because doing that test requires effort, and people try to avoid unwarranted effort. However, when people who are not themselves fanatics, start noticing an author's agenda, this points to shit writing, plain and simple.

If "normal people" don't notice anything, that just means that something follows the status quo. And the status quo isn't apolitical; it's conservative by definition.

It's also mainstream by definition. I don't see anything wrong with that if you are trying to appeal to a mainstream audience. Don't want to appeal to a mainstream audience? Then maybe you shouldn't make a BG game and instead make a game called Tyranny Tranny.

I'd quibble by pointing out that BG is hardly mainstream, clunky 1990's graphics and all... but that would actually strengthen your point, as it means its core audience is likely to tilt conservative. Moreso with the boobplate-era heroic fantasy, which is an inherently conservative, even reactionary genre.

Mainstream is pretty catch all, but I agree that it is definitely conservative by nature. Notice I did not say "mainstream is better". I'm just stating facts. It's also a more catch all term, so when I apply it to BG, I meant it to mean people who played BG when it came out (which I assume is the intended audience). It may or may not include trans gamers (again of which many did not like how the character was implemented). And it also may or may not include bioware fans that are used to plenty of tokenism in their games (of which I'm sure there were many).

Regardless, there seems to be a sizeable faction that found the inclusion of a token character (plus the comments made by the writer) to be offensive, and said as much. Again, I don't see anything wrong with that and I don't think it is bigotry in any way tbh.

 

[Kem0sabe]

Agreed. However, I still find it suspect that people are reacting so strongly to this and trying to play it off as "Oh, it's isn't just the tranny that's making me mad!" I mean, I never noticed a strong reaction against Pillars of Eternity's "bad" writing while I was lurking here until after the poem debacle, and certainly no one cared about Sword Coast Legends being a poorly written failure to get angry about it. I wouldn't consider nostalgia for the old game to be an excuse either because, much like Star Wars, the old game is always going to be there, untouched and pristine from the horrible influence of the new stuff, so the argument that "ITZ RUINING BALDUR'S GATE!!11!" is laughable.

It's beamdog, company was founded on a business model that most codexers dislike with intensity, which was further compounded by the way their CEO acted back then.

Then they proceed to release two shit enhanced editions to the baldurs gate games, and profit enough from them that it enables them to further rape the corpse of the franchise.

All the while, they are stocking themselves up with every weirdo hack job SJW developer or writer they can get their hands on, with a clear agenda of putting that political philosophy front and center in their games.

It's a recipe for codex hate if there ever was one.

 

[Kiste]

It's not "badly written", it literally reads like a PARODY of what a SJW would write.

It sounds like a Tumblr post, especially the name bullshit... "truest reflection". Hamber Scott is, by the way, a genuine Tumblerina, so that explains it.

 

[Mustawd]

It's a recipe for codex hate if there ever was one.

Also, hating stuff is easy. Watch:

Agreed. However, I still find it suspect that people are reacting so strongly to this and trying to play it off as "Oh, it's isn't just the tranny that's making me mad!" I mean, I never noticed a strong reaction against Pillars of Eternity's "bad" writing while I was lurking here until after the poem debacle, and certainly no one cared about Sword Coast Legends being a poorly written failure to get angry about it. I wouldn't consider nostalgia for the old game to be an excuse either because, much like Star Wars, the old game is always going to be there, untouched and pristine from the horrible influence of the new stuff, so the argument that "ITZ RUINING BALDUR'S GATE!!11!" is laughable.

 

[Prime Junta]

It's a recipe for codex hate if there ever was one.

Also, hating stuff is easy. Watch:

Codex hate at its finest is quite entertaining though. Glittering gems and all that.

 

[Reinhardt]

The Codex already got trolled. By Beamdog. Not a whole lot I can add to that.

And Beamdog, with their plan to sell 1 million copies, got trolled by customers.

 

[Bubbles]

And Beamdog, with their plan to sell 1 million copies

Source?

 

[Infinitron]

And Beamdog, with their plan to sell 1 million copies

Source?

There was no "plan to sell one million copies", but in his interview on sstacks show, Phillip Daigle said he thought it was a plausible number they could reach.

 

[ZagorTeNej]

Maybe, one day SJWs will finally realize this instead off frantically throwing -ism around.

If "normal people" don't notice anything, that just means that something follows the status quo. And the status quo isn't apolitical; it's conservative by definition.

Or (as it is in most cases) it just means it's well written and fits the setting, no one (well aside from a very tiny minority) will bat an eye. People just don't like the feeling of being preached by a bunch of spoiled, incompetent ideologues that clumsily try to insert their political views everywhere.

 

[Mustawd]

And Beamdog, with their plan to sell 1 million copies

Source?

There was no "plan to sell one million copies", but in his interview on sstacks show, Phillip Daigle said he thought it was a plausible number they could reach.

Since the announcement, it seams the positive reviews have pushed it back to "Mostly positive" on Steam. But a lot of the recent negative reviews says the DLC is still full of bugs and that the multiplayer is broken.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/385970/

 

[PhantasmaNL]

One million copies, now thats what i call ambitious. I do hope they didnt budget around this number.

That said, it would be great if an oldschool iso rpg would sell a million copies.

 

[Sizzle]

That said, it would be great if an oldschool iso rpg would sell a million copies.

It would be even better if an actually good RPG sold that.

 

[Bubbles]

One million copies, now thats what i call ambitious. I do hope they didnt budget around this number.

That said, it would be great if an oldschool iso rpg would sell a million copies.

http://steamspy.com/app/391540

 

[Infinitron]

Should probably worry about selling 10,000 copies first.

 

[HatTrick]

Maybe, one day SJWs will finally realize this instead off frantically throwing -ism around.

If "normal people" don't notice anything, that just means that something follows the status quo. And the status quo isn't apolitical; it's conservative by definition.

Or (as it is in most cases) it just means it's well written and fits the setting, no one (well aside from a very tiny minority) will bat an eye. People just don't like the feeling of being preached by a bunch of spoiled, incompetent ideologues that clumsily try to insert their political views everywhere.

20 bucks says if this game came out in this day you'd all be having a shitfit over the constant jokes about Republicans VTMB makes.

 

[ZagorTeNej]

20 bucks says if this game came out in this day you'd all be having a shitfit over the constant jokes about Republicans VTMB makes.

Given that I still laugh at those jokes (and overall find the whole Radio show segment to be one of my favourite parts of the game) I'd say you're full of shit.

 

[HatTrick]

Okay seriously.. how have you avoided a dumb fuck tag for this long?

Why are you talking about yourself, bud?

 

[DashiDMV]

20 bucks says if this game came out in this day you'd all be having a shitfit over the constant jokes about Republicans VTMB makes.

Given that I still laugh at those jokes (and overall find the whole Radio show segment to be one of my favourite parts of the game) I'd say you're full of shit.

Maybe Paradox will hire Beamdog to consult for the next game. Can't wait for the whole side quest to stop Catiff shaming.

 

[Delterius]

20 bucks says if this game came out in this day you'd all be having a shitfit over the constant jokes about Republicans VTMB makes.

Surely you must realize many of us aren't American?

 

[Prime Junta]

In conclusion, 95% of the Codex hates it because it's SJW propaganda, and the other 5% hates it because it's bad SJW propaganda.

Makes sense.

 

[pippin]

20 bucks says if this game came out in this day you'd all be having a shitfit over the constant jokes about Republicans VTMB makes.

Given that I still laugh at those jokes (and overall find the whole Radio show segment to be one of my favourite parts of the game) I'd say you're full of shit.

Certain somebodies would still throw a hissy fit over the game stating that all republicans are evil and that Trump is OMG worse than Hitler. And what about all vampires being bisexual?

The one million thing was probably born out the one million copies the game has apparently sold on steam. The guy though every owner would end up buying the dlc. Conidering many owners don't even play the game, that was obviously wrong.

 

[DeepOcean]

Agreed. However, I still find it suspect that people are reacting so strongly to this and trying to play it off as "Oh, it's isn't just the tranny that's making me mad!" I mean, I never noticed a strong reaction against Pillars of Eternity's "bad" writing while I was lurking here until after the poem debacle, and certainly no one cared about Sword Coast Legends being a poorly written failure to get angry about it. I wouldn't consider nostalgia for the old game to be an excuse either because, much like Star Wars, the old game is always going to be there, untouched and pristine from the horrible influence of the new stuff, so the argument that "ITZ RUINING BALDUR'S GATE!!11!" is laughable.

Really? Are you sure you lurked here? Ask Infinitron and Sstacks if PoE and SCL were free of controversy.

 

[Prime Junta]

Agreed. However, I still find it suspect that people are reacting so strongly to this and trying to play it off as "Oh, it's isn't just the tranny that's making me mad!" I mean, I never noticed a strong reaction against Pillars of Eternity's "bad" writing while I was lurking here until after the poem debacle, and certainly no one cared about Sword Coast Legends being a poorly written failure to get angry about it. I wouldn't consider nostalgia for the old game to be an excuse either because, much like Star Wars, the old game is always going to be there, untouched and pristine from the horrible influence of the new stuff, so the argument that "ITZ RUINING BALDUR'S GATE!!11!" is laughable.

Really? Are you sure you lurked here? Ask Infinitron and Sstacks if PoE and SCL were free of controversy.

Most Pillars rage isn't about the writing though ('blah mediocre' is about as vitriolic as that gets usually), it's about mechanics, encounter and level design, and Saint Josh of Sawyer.

(Which, from where I'm at, is more interesting anyway, even if the same ol' canards keep popping up.)

 

[FeelTheRads]

20 bucks says if this game came out in this day you'd all be having a shitfit over the constant jokes about Republicans VTMB makes.

Not everybody who's against SJWs is a bible thumper.