Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 2 is vastly overrated

[Volourn]

You're a fukkin idiotic retartet troll.

"Kobolds in Naskel Mines murdered me 50 times with their fire arrows and as I tried to manually dodge them, I died to traps 77 times. That dungeon was the easiest dungeon ever." - Beans00

FUKK OFF.

 

[Beans00]

Beating games- even hard ones - isn't hard at 10 years old. Afterall, most people games 30-40 years ago were my generationish do we were all mostly young. If a 10 year can deal with games older than BG and their billshit, a mid 90s game was definitely manageable.


I do find it funny when people call a game 'easy' or 'not that hard' then talk about how they died multiple times. Lol If you reloaded, it wasn't that easy. In pnp, no second chances. If you died fighting the guy in front of the inn the game wasn't easy fir you. PERIOD.


Beans00 is big example. Claims BG2 wasn't hard. Talks about reloading a bunch. Fukk off, dude. Just own it. It was hard fir you. And, creatures needingbcwrtaun weapons to be hit is a) not cheating b)no more artificial than any other rule and c) should not matter as the game gives plenty of ways to deal with such enemies. Part of the game us deal with them. So, stop the bullshit.


"I only reloaded 765 times against the kobold in Irenicus' dungeon. It wasn't hard." - Beans00


Lmfao

You're unironically one of the best trolls I've seen so I will only SALUTE you.


You pretending to like NWN for over 20 years and making people mad for 20 years. Pretending to spell badly ever since interplay forums.
Volourn- Legendary troll.



The only time I've seen volourn not troll was when obsidian opened up their forums, he tried really hard to spell properly and not troll to become a moderator, sadly he was passed over.



I want you to know if I was admin on obsidian forums I would have made you a moderator. Because I Belive IN YOU.

 

[Volourn]

Pretend to like NWN? WOW. You really go for the balls.:D

Why you talking about Obsidian? I haven't been there for years. You must me a Sawyer lack.

And, don't think I didn't notice how you ignored what we were discussing - how easy or hard - BG series is - by throwing out not one but two red herrings. You aren't as sly as you think you, Man Who Died To Fire.

Nice try, though.

 

[Beans00]

Sorry not taking the b8 m8, I have too much respect for you and your body of work to EVER go against you.


I remember one time, you were saying POR:ROMD sucks, and crispy was saying he liked it, and you kept saying it sucks and he got really mad.




It was really funny. I would have made you and ADMIN on obsidian forums, not just moderator.

 

[anvi]

I love BG2. There are plenty of problems and I wanted a slicker and bigger budget version of it even at release. That engine was old. But it's a good game like a grown ups RPG, and gaming since then has been so shitty that it now stands as a top RPG. I understand zoomers not being able to get into it, but it's their loss.

I liked NWN too. Not at first, the start is just not fun imo. The plague town and all those quests, some is fun but mostly not. And it's ugly, and just a slog. Hard for a Sorcerer too, weak spells. And lots of traps to search for. But if you keep going it develops a long way. The spells get really strong later and you can have multiple pet summons that are huge. Late game I was like a GOD! I walked into every battle behind huge frost/fire/earth elementals with Mordenkainen's Sword slaughtering shit and I could duplicate myself and cone of cold, ice storms, maybe time stop and delayed blast fireballs and stuff. It was fun. Then there were two expansions and one of those was fun too, more high level combat.

I tried playing it again and the start is always hard to get past. But I think it pays off if you do. If that was the whole game I would have thought it was ok/10. But I then played lots of wacky online servers people made, some interesting PVP tournaments, and wannabe MMORPGs and stuff. And I played some good single player scenarios that were better made than the game's campaign. So to me that makes it a good game. (p.s. Play all these games with CheatEngine to use the Speed Hack feature. You will wonder how you lived without it.)

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Thac0 is stupid and illogical.

Before 2nd edition AD&D, each version of D&D/AD&D would contain tables displaying the minimum d20 roll needed to hit an enemy, based on character class and level range (in rows or columns) and the enemy's armor class (in columns or rows). Of course, any change of 1 AC for the enemy is simply a shift of -1 in the minimum roll needed to hit, or more generally a difference of x in AC results in a difference of -x for the to-hit roll, so the columns/rows with differing AC scores were completely unnecessary. Finally, AD&D 2nd edition simplified these tables by simply listing the score needed to hit a specific armor class (0 AC, thus THAC0):

versus

 

[NecroLord]

THAC0 is a classic and integral part of D&D.

 

[Vic]

Oblivion solved the THAC0 problem by scaling to your level

 

[Volourn]

If you hate and/or misunderstanding thaco you are simply are dumer than grade school kids in the 70s and 80s. FFS My friends, and I figured out that within seconds with zero fukkin help. And, it makes perfect sense.

 

[Orud]

Are you saying you beat BG2 at 10 years old? Are you a russian chess grandmaster too?

Nope, I got to the Underdark in my first playthrough until I lost interest. I finished it when TOB got released and my dad bought it for me.

Despite me being very young, I distinctly remember the following :

• Struggling immensely at the start because I didn't know how immunities and magic weapons worked. Once I noticed some of my dudes were doing damage and some weren't, things started clicking.
• Thinking how 'cool' it was that the guy outside of D'Arnise keep tells you about fire and trolls, and that it actually worked like that.
• The umberhulks in D'Arnise keep wrecked my shit immensely.
• Umar Hills actually scaring the shit out of me. The ranger's diary was extremely scary and ominous.
• Vampires wrecking my shit immensely, every fight was a struggle to death.
• Feeling deeply betrayed by Yoshimo.
• My first character being an Elven Ranger.

THAC0 is a classic and integral part of D&D.

I don't think that TACH0 is overly complex, but simply picking the highest of 2 numbers (ATTACK VS AC) is way easier. If THAC0 had any other benefits or depth I'd maybe like it more, but as is it's just unintuitive for the sake of being unintuitive.

 

[NecroLord]

• Struggling immensely at the start because I didn't know how immunities and magic weapons worked. Once I noticed some of my dudes were doing damage and some weren't, things started clicking.
• Thinking how 'cool' it was that the guy outside of D'Arnise keep tells you about fire and trolls, and that it actually worked like that.
• The umberhulks in D'Arnise keep wrecked my shit immensely.
• Umar Hills actually scaring the shit out of me. The ranger's diary was extremely scary and ominous.
• Vampires wrecking my shit immensely, every fight was a struggle to death.
• Feeling deeply betrayed by Yoshimo.

Vampires can be really nasty, especially during those nighttime ambushes in Athkatla where they almost always catch you with your pants down. Potions of Invisibility are useful. You also need protection against their charm and level drain abilities.
You can lure those umber hulks if you cooked a meal out of those dogs you kill. Just put the meal at the far end of the dungeon in that pile of bones. You need to sneak past them though. If not, you can always take them down, but you need to protect yourself against their confusion.

 

[d1r]

I played through BG2 at 12 even though I didn't understand D&D rules (didn't have a manual, it was a pirated copy, and games I played before that had higher armor be better so I never equipped armor as it reduced my AC).

Back then I was mostly a pirate, getting my games from a Romanian friend.
The games were in English, and I was nowhere near fluent in the language yet.
We didn't have manuals, just raw burned CDs with the game's installer on them.
We even had to properly install a crack before the game would work!

Yet we managed to finish all these complex RPGs just by intuition alone.

Even modern kids could do it if their parents were less retarded and less helicoptery.

did you use cheats?

I didn't have internet so I didn't even know how to cheat.

No Gamestar DVD with Dirty Little Helper?

 

[JarlFrank]

I played through BG2 at 12 even though I didn't understand D&D rules (didn't have a manual, it was a pirated copy, and games I played before that had higher armor be better so I never equipped armor as it reduced my AC).

Back then I was mostly a pirate, getting my games from a Romanian friend.
The games were in English, and I was nowhere near fluent in the language yet.
We didn't have manuals, just raw burned CDs with the game's installer on them.
We even had to properly install a crack before the game would work!

Yet we managed to finish all these complex RPGs just by intuition alone.

Even modern kids could do it if their parents were less retarded and less helicoptery.

did you use cheats?

I didn't have internet so I didn't even know how to cheat.

No Gamestar DVD with Dirty Little Helper?

I did have DLH but only used the cheats for RTS games in skirmishes vs the AI, for fun. Like the AoE2 cobra car.

 

[Cryomancer]

Facts > feelings buttercup

You are literally the only one here who considers game journo opinions as facts.

Thac0 is stupid and illogical.

To hit armor class zero. Not stupid, not illogical, plain and simple. And if you wanna, you can adapt to use ascending AC easily.

Dying 3 times doing the naskel mines because of fire arrow crits, or having my party leader randomly insta killed by a mind flayer once isn't 'difficult' unless you genuinely think the only way to call a game easy is to 100% it without dying.

Is not random insta killed. And yes, a critical hit from a longbow with magical arrows should be deadly. Much better than random spiders soaking 3 cannon balls. As for mindflayers, they are extremely dangeorus enemies, if they can't do nasty stuff, they would't be as much feared. Guess what, BG2 gives stuff like slayer form which makes the entirety of underdark, a cakewalk.

In Dark Sun : Wake of the Ravager, Underdark is far more dangerous and risky. And you must defeat a mindflayer colony without resting.

As for "without dying", my last run in DDO was a water savant caster in hardcore and despite having perma death, the game still has OHK spells. Phantasmal killer which you can find in lv 6 quests for eg. I reached lv 12, almost 13 in hardcore and died. And guess what. Was incredible fun and intense.

 

[SomeGuyWithAnOpinion]

I do find it funny when people call a game 'easy' or 'not that hard' then talk about how they died multiple times. Lol If you reloaded, it wasn't that easy. In pnp, no second chances. If you died fighting the guy in front of the inn the game wasn't easy for you. PERIOD.

Most people who call games easy usually endlessly quicksave and savescum their way to victory.

If you have to use degenerate cheese to finish a game, the game's not easy, you just suck.

Save scumming is a HUGE problem in PC games, especially old ones.

The Quicksave key was the biggest mistake in gaming.

 

[Crispy]

I remember one time, you were saying POR:ROMD sucks, and crispy was saying he liked it, and you kept saying it sucks and he got really mad.

If you're going to mention a man, have the balls to tag the man.

Man.

 

[Volourn]

He was talking about crispy not some wannabe king.

 

[Crispy]

Every king needs his very own... princess.

 

[Vic]

Every king needs his very own... princess.

I hope you meant queen

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

In Dark Sun : Wake of the Ravager, Underdark is far more dangerous and risky. And you must defeat a mindflayer colony without resting.

 

[Gahbreeil]

Every king needs his very own... princess.

Your princess is on another forum.

 

[KateMicucci]

Are you saying you beat BG2 at 10 years old? Are you a russian chess grandmaster too?

Nope, I got to the Underdark in my first playthrough until I lost interest. I finished it when TOB got released and my dad bought it for me.

Despite me being very young, I distinctly remember the following :

• Struggling immensely at the start because I didn't know how immunities and magic weapons worked. Once I noticed some of my dudes were doing damage and some weren't, things started clicking.
• Thinking how 'cool' it was that the guy outside of D'Arnise keep tells you about fire and trolls, and that it actually worked like that.
• The umberhulks in D'Arnise keep wrecked my shit immensely.
• Umar Hills actually scaring the shit out of me. The ranger's diary was extremely scary and ominous.
• Vampires wrecking my shit immensely, every fight was a struggle to death.
• Feeling deeply betrayed by Yoshimo.
• My first character being an Elven Ranger.

THAC0 is a classic and integral part of D&D.

I don't think that TACH0 is overly complex, but simply picking the highest of 2 numbers (ATTACK VS AC) is way easier. If THAC0 had any other benefits or depth I'd maybe like it more, but as is it's just unintuitive for the sake of being unintuitive.

The game lost its magic for me when I learned that you can instakill the umberhulks with the wand of cloudkill. So much cheesy bullshit like that that you'd never know unless you were an expert in D&D rules.

 

[NecroLord]

Are you saying you beat BG2 at 10 years old? Are you a russian chess grandmaster too?

Nope, I got to the Underdark in my first playthrough until I lost interest. I finished it when TOB got released and my dad bought it for me.

Despite me being very young, I distinctly remember the following :

• Struggling immensely at the start because I didn't know how immunities and magic weapons worked. Once I noticed some of my dudes were doing damage and some weren't, things started clicking.
• Thinking how 'cool' it was that the guy outside of D'Arnise keep tells you about fire and trolls, and that it actually worked like that.
• The umberhulks in D'Arnise keep wrecked my shit immensely.
• Umar Hills actually scaring the shit out of me. The ranger's diary was extremely scary and ominous.
• Vampires wrecking my shit immensely, every fight was a struggle to death.
• Feeling deeply betrayed by Yoshimo.
• My first character being an Elven Ranger.

THAC0 is a classic and integral part of D&D.

I don't think that TACH0 is overly complex, but simply picking the highest of 2 numbers (ATTACK VS AC) is way easier. If THAC0 had any other benefits or depth I'd maybe like it more, but as is it's just unintuitive for the sake of being unintuitive.

The game lost its magic for me when I learned that you can instakill the umberhulks with the wand of cloudkill. So much cheesy bullshit like that that you'd never know unless you were an expert in D&D rules.

If they fail their saving throw, I believe.

 

[Melcar]

Are you saying you beat BG2 at 10 years old? Are you a russian chess grandmaster too?

Nope, I got to the Underdark in my first playthrough until I lost interest. I finished it when TOB got released and my dad bought it for me.

Despite me being very young, I distinctly remember the following :

• Struggling immensely at the start because I didn't know how immunities and magic weapons worked. Once I noticed some of my dudes were doing damage and some weren't, things started clicking.
• Thinking how 'cool' it was that the guy outside of D'Arnise keep tells you about fire and trolls, and that it actually worked like that.
• The umberhulks in D'Arnise keep wrecked my shit immensely.
• Umar Hills actually scaring the shit out of me. The ranger's diary was extremely scary and ominous.
• Vampires wrecking my shit immensely, every fight was a struggle to death.
• Feeling deeply betrayed by Yoshimo.
• My first character being an Elven Ranger.

THAC0 is a classic and integral part of D&D.

I don't think that TACH0 is overly complex, but simply picking the highest of 2 numbers (ATTACK VS AC) is way easier. If THAC0 had any other benefits or depth I'd maybe like it more, but as is it's just unintuitive for the sake of being unintuitive.

The game lost its magic for me when I learned that you can instakill the umberhulks with the wand of cloudkill. So much cheesy bullshit like that that you'd never know unless you were an expert in D&D rules.

If they fail their saving throw, I believe.

Cloudkill insta kills enemies below certain HD. I don't remember if it ignored saves in that situation. I do remember that the vanilla games often had certain enemies on certain locations with modified HD for the sake of balance that often led to lame cheese tactics.

 

[NecroLord]

They are level 6, so they are instantly killed if they fail to make their saving throws.