Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Early Access Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Drakortha]

I don't get what makes this game stand out so much that other devs says it's "rockstar levels of autism". Is it only based on the C&C? It doesn't look that special to me otherwise.

It doesn't stand out outside of it's overblown marketing, which is all that is.

It's not special, it's SHIT!

 

[Tacgnol]

Love them or hate them, the Owlcat Pathfinder games do have a lot of reactivity.

They are probably the closest I can think of in the last few years.

They have a lot more fake choices, forced failures and the like.

They're everything bad about Bioware games, but with grindy trash mob filler and overly complicated mechanics that break half the time.

They're also worse about giving you NPC choices, since they let you kill them, but make them mandatory for features like in Kingmaker. Sure, you could kill the orc/elf cuck couple, but then you'd lose two kingdom managers.

Kingmaker has a lot of reactivity threaded throughout the game. The ways you solve minor side quests can be referenced in dialogue later, or have an impact on how other quests are resolved.

I do agree you don't get a lot of sway over the game's main path (at least up to the final chapter where your previous choices have a big impact, esp if you end up doing the "secret" chapter), but regardless I enjoyed the stream of reactivity throughout.

 

[processdaemon]

While I'm very excited for BG3 myself I can see how someone could be disappointed that RPGs didn't go down the route of emergent storytelling if that's what you're interested in, there was a period around the mid 00s where that seemed like it might be a real possibility but the industry very much branched in a different direction. It's not really a priority for me personally but hopefully the advances in LLMs and all the AI courses springing up all over the place will mean that those sorts of games get made in the future as well.

 

[Yosharian]

Voice acting and animation etc are too expensive and old school isometric no-VA RPGs failed because nobody can write anymore

This is what we got, be thankful there's anything at all tbh

 

[Grauken]

It's not really a priority for me personally but hopefully the advances in LLMs and all the AI courses springing up all over the place will mean that those sorts of games get made in the future as well.

God no, AI-generated content sounds terrible

 

[Aphex81]

Why do e-celebs get to play early and we get cucked Swen? Fuck you.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Kingmaker has a lot of reactivity threaded throughout the game. The ways you solve minor side quests can be referenced in dialogue later, or have an impact on how other quests are resolved.

Yeah, I guess. IDK, it didn't feel like the reactivity had much point though. It never felt like the devs wanted the player to go through vastly different experiences of the game. It was just a skill check here and there.

There were some good bits early on, like the gnome's ring and whether or not you kept it for the dialog or equiped it, but it didn't actually affect anything. A lot of things are like that. You do things, but they don't really matter. You pass checks, but the change is cosmetic.

E.g., you can get both tribes of whatsits working for you...and it results in barely any change later on. I think you get both of their buildings in the kingdom minigame that doesn't really matter.

Wrathfinder was worse imo, but I never played too far in.

Overall, I would rate Owlcat as closer to Biowarian superficial reactivity than BG3.

 

[holla_cabezas_de_mierda]

Wait. So, you can take a character like Minsc who is ranger and make him a wizard but every9one will react to him like he's a ranger? That's beyond retartet. FFS


And, they are hinting 'promising' a reveal of Boo's so called 'secret'? That is gonna b3 rich and most likely also be retartet.

Seriously, they make dumber than they need to.

Yet, they wont give me a b0obie slider.. but they'll give us a cock and pussy slider. FUKK OFF.

And, no option for rolling because they are anti choice.

I xpect most of their choices in the game to be fake, poorly written, or never the choice I'd want to make.

Hilariously, Larian at one time claimed the game would be 95% dnd compliant. More like 50% compliant if we ar ebeing generous. L0LZA

Boo is probably Minsc's male druid lover who got stuck in hamster form because of some curse or something and you can change him back to human/barbarian by finding some item/spell whatever and watch him plow minsc up his ass in a teary reunion.

edit: maybe the hamster is the druids spirit animal and they used the 'special' form in their sex play and boo got wedged up Minscs ass one night and never was able to change back. To change him back to human form you have to find a petrified nugget of Minsc's turds from 150 years ago or whenever BG2 happened and when Boo munches on it he can turn back into human form.

 

[Yosharian]

Why do e-celebs get to play early and we get cucked Swen? Fuck you.

Huh? Who's playing early?

 

[Aphex81]

Why do e-celebs get to play early and we get cucked Swen? Fuck you.

Huh? Who's playing early?

Jewtubers are getting review copies today.

 

[processdaemon]

It's not really a priority for me personally but hopefully the advances in LLMs and all the AI courses springing up all over the place will mean that those sorts of games get made in the future as well.

God no, AI-generated content sounds terrible

I'd never want it to replace games with a properly scripted narrative but I'm still interested to see how it could be used in gaming as the technology improves. Stuff like giving in-game factions actual goals that they can achieve independently of your involvement and that evolve depending on your actions, which we can do to an extent now but usually can't be done in very narrative driven games; I'd hope that eventually we could get to a stage where they could do that while allowing dialogue and other faction quests to be adapted in ways that aren't immersion breaking in games with a strong central narrative. I don't think it's something every game has to have but it's still something I'd like to see.

 

[Konjad]

Wait. So, you can take a character like Minsc who is ranger and make him a wizard but every9one will react to him like he's a ranger? That's beyond retartet. FFS


And, they are hinting 'promising' a reveal of Boo's so called 'secret'? That is gonna b3 rich and most likely also be retartet.

Seriously, they make dumber than they need to.

Yet, they wont give me a b0obie slider.. but they'll give us a cock and pussy slider. FUKK OFF.

And, no option for rolling because they are anti choice.

I xpect most of their choices in the game to be fake, poorly written, or never the choice I'd want to make.

Hilariously, Larian at one time claimed the game would be 95% dnd compliant. More like 50% compliant if we ar ebeing generous. L0LZA

Boo is probably Minsc's male druid lover who got stuck in hamster form because of some curse or something and you can change him back to human/barbarian by finding some item/spell whatever and watch him plow minsc up his ass in a teary reunion.

I always kill Minsc in my BG playthrough, but feel bad I can't pick up Boo afterwards. I really hope this time I can.


By the way, one of the cut content from BG2 was impregnating Aerie and having a child which was an item in the inventory (you can use cheats to get it, but you can't really do anything with it except throwing it out). Hilarious stuff, wish BG3 had it instead of bear sex.

 

[Yosharian]

By the way, one of the cut content from BG2 was impregnating Aerie and having a child which was an item in the inventory

Huh that's cut content? I'm sure that's in the base game...

 

[ferratilis]

Maybe it's a dumb question, but do you guys think Carsomyr will be in BG3?

 

[Barbarian]

There are already some pretty powerful items listed for the early game(including this "Deathstalker" cloak that was just leaked).

I'm sure the 9 announced "legendary" items will be pretty powerful too. Probably some of them are returning items, maybe carsomyr or some of the other bg2 staples.

 

[Cyberarmy]

Maybe it's a dumb question, but do you guys think Carsomyr will be in BG3?

Maybe some kind of another Holy Avenger. But those are kinda "end game" weapons.

 

[jackofshadows]

It doesn't stand out outside of it's overblown marketing, which is all that is.

It's not special, it's SHIT!

Will you stop spamming at last? I guess no one cares since there will be the new thread anyway.

Maybe you enjoy your new role as a lolcow then you do you of cource.

Having day/night cycle would be really nice but we'll see soon enough what're we getting in return. If there's plenty of inctricate implications of what's essentially means manually ending the day (as with Minthara preparing to attack etc) then it'll be alright I'd say.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

If Larian did all of that, Swen would probably have assassins after him, since it could cause an industry crash.

An industry crash is exactly what it is needed.

 

[Harthwain]

Kingmaker has a lot of reactivity threaded throughout the game. The ways you solve minor side quests can be referenced in dialogue later, or have an impact on how other quests are resolved.

I do agree you don't get a lot of sway over the game's main path (at least up to the final chapter where your previous choices have a big impact, esp if you end up doing the "secret" chapter), but regardless I enjoyed the stream of reactivity throughout.

That's pretty much the standard for narrative-heavy games. Can't do much that requires a lot of reactivity that could impact a large portion of the game (or the main plot), because that would require a lot of re-writing. Wasteland 2, for all its fault, shows how content-exclusive reactivity can work. This is why you either get "nothing really changes" or "changes only affect some part of side content".

 

[holla_cabezas_de_mierda]

Something about the gloss they put on the skin makes all the male characters look very gay. Gonna have to use the age slider on a lot of them, I think.

also clothes and armor looks never used, and too shiny and clean.

 

[Harthwain]

also clothes and armor looks never used, and too shiny and clean.

Par for the course when it comes to high fantasy. In grimdark you have it the other way around.

 

[Kem0sabe]

Something about the gloss they put on the skin makes all the male characters look very gay. Gonna have to use the age slider on a lot of them, I think.

also clothes and armor looks never used, and too shiny and clean.

Thats an issue with all games. I dont think i have ever seen an rpg that had visual wear and tear on items.

 

[Shaki]

And again, we had same stuff nearly 3 decades ago where for example being a female could let you skip certain combats or advance certain quests by sleeping with guys.

Like I said, not from a AAA dev, and not in sheer amount. Even BG2 had that, but it wasn't based on your race or skillchecks, and it was a single choice. (Though frankly, I don't remember if sleeping with Pharie actually did anything.)

This is nothing new and revolutionary.

Oh, so now it needs to be "new" too? Ok, suggest some new features you'd like to have seen in the game. Things that haven't been in any game before. Go on.

As long as regardless of your choices you still end up going through exactly same maps, exactly same dungeons

You don't need to go through the Underdark, so there's a skipped map/dungeon right away.

But as I said, it's not a truly nonlinear game. Most games aren't either.

But even if it were nonlinear, you'd still say it wasn't "new" or "revolutionary", so why even bring it up?

You're just bored and want something to whine about. You and Dorkwratha are two flavors of the same midwit.

I don't see anything here that makes the game more reactive or nonlinear than PoE for example

It's not a boring piece of shit?

Again, if you played the game, you would see it's more reactive than PoE, and a more interesting game too.

I don't see anything here that makes the game more reactive or nonlinear than PoE for example, maybe BG3 will have more of the same, but getting 2 cheeseburgers instead of one, is not reinventing cheeseburger, it's just more of the same, and if 1 cheeseburger tasted like shit and you criticized it, but suddenly you treat 2 of the same cheesburgers as a second coming of Christ, you're a hypocrite and not a very smart one - if you criticized Dragon Age or POE, you shouldn't be hyped for BG3.

Maybe if you weren't too busy spamming run-on sentences to read my posts itt, you'd know that I've criticized BG3 repeatedly.

It has its shortcomings, but they aren't what you're criticizing it for. If you weren't ignorantly repeating the same lame criticisms about it not being "new and revolushunary!!" enough for you and watched some playthroughs on Youtube, you'd know that.

You dipshits are the ones who're constantly hyping it up, "Hurr durr this will revolutionize the RPG genre!". I saw exactly the same type of dumbfuck consoomer Codexer do the exact same thing before, with shit like Witcher 3, Cyberpunk, even PoE, it's always "hurr durr new thing revolutionary". I never claimed it will be completely unplayable dogshit, I just said it's more bloated Bioware game with turn based combat, and so far you didn't say anything that would refute that, other than "BUT DRAGON AGE BORING AND THIS NOT"... but why? Because Larian has such great writing that their "reactive dialogues" and a/b choices are somehow more fun than Biowares? Do they suddenly become good just because there is more of them? Writing was always the lowest point of Larian's games, so that would be a retarded claim. Does the combat make it less boring? Sure, I guess 5E + Larian's barrelmancy is still better than Bioware's dogshit action combat. That's not a high bar.


I don't just whine because I'm bored - unlike majority of permanently butthurt Codexers, I actually enjoy RPGs, even the subpar ones. I even liked Wrathfinder and defended it here a lot, because despite some woke tranny stuff, dogshit filler combat and bad writing, I had fun with exploration, autistic buildfaggotry and figuring out some harder encounters like Playful Darkness. But in BG3, I don't see any redeeming qualities. Larian writing so far was always awful, Larian combat is at best mediocre, buildfaggotry and itemization can't be good because it's 5E, and I don't think having more fluff reactivity than other games, makes up for all that, and somehow will manage to push it from very mediocre to godlike tier.

I didn't play the game yet, because it's not released. I'll play it when it's ready. I already think it won't be great, if I play early access and think its shit, then I probably would never try the full game at all, and Larianfags could forever wave off my criticism by doing the "hurr durr it's just early access, everything is fixed in the full version" thing that I already saw hundreds of times in this thread.

 

[jackofshadows]

also clothes and armor looks never used, and too shiny and clean.

Actually they've implemented system which makes armor dirty with time and also bloody. However after playtesters feedback ("thanks" to them yet again) that was very very much toned down to the point I didn't even notice it when was playing recently while waiting for the said system. Will see whether it'll be tuned a bit back.

 

[Shrimp]

Something about the gloss they put on the skin makes all the male characters look very gay. Gonna have to use the age slider on a lot of them, I think.

also clothes and armor looks never used, and too shiny and clean.

If I recall correctly at some point during early access they started making your face and armour appear increasingly grimy as you participated in battles, but I think they removed it(?) again after people complained it made their characters look ugly.
Not 100% sure about this one but I feel like I've seen it mentioned somewhere before.