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[Poseidon00]

I'm not a TT player so this is my first interaction with 5E. Does anyone else think that it's really.. simplistic? It's super streamlined and honestly kinda boring. Where does the individualized character development come in? I mean yeah you build a character but the depth is just not there. Is that just a thing for 2 and 3.5?

Yeah, it has always and always will be for people who don't play tabletop, never intend to play tabletop, but may try DnD once or twice in their lives just to say that they did it. The only thing worse than the system are the few fanboys it has.

 

[Jasede]

Few fanboys? I'm don't like 5th edition but you must be lying to yourself if you think it's not popular! It practically saved dungeons and dragons and is by far the most-played and best-selling edition of all time.

Now, being a boomer I prefer the rogue-like wargame feel of 2nd edition or the character-building hack and slash of 3.5, but I'm not blind. I can see that all around me the most popular edition people play is 5th. You can find a fifth edition game everywhere. You need to look hard to find a second edition game.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Few fanboys? I'm don't like 5th edition but you must be lying to yourself if you think it's not popular! It practically saved dungeons and dragons and is by far the most-played and best-selling edition of all time.

Now, being a boomer I prefer the rogue-like wargame feel of 2nd edition or the character-building hack and slash of 3.5, but I'm not blind. I can see that all around me the most popular edition people play is 5th. You can find a fifth edition game everywhere. You need to look hard to find a second edition game.

The things worth saving weren't saved.

 

[Jasede]

It's still factually wrong to say it's not the most successful edition. Being honest and correct is important.

And, well, it is certainly better than 4th edition...

 

[Lacrymas]

5E is also very modular. If you don't like anything, there's a very good chance you can house rule it to whatever you want. The only thing I don't like and I can't easily change is the design of some classes (bard, although this is fixed by limiting their spell levels) and more specifically their superfluousness (ranger, monk, sorcerer, barbarian). I've yet to see an argument that even suggests 5E being the "worst edition" or "oversimplified". Those claims come from people who have never played it in a tabletop setting.

 

[kangaxx]

Have to agree with people moaning about 5th edition rules. I've also never played D&D TT and never will, but IMO the older rulesets used by the original BGs were a lot better than the 5E one used in BG3.

 

[Lacrymas]

but IMO the older rulesets used by the original BGs were a lot better than the 5E one used in BG3.

Why?

 

[Thonius]

3.5 is best system for PC RPG.

 

[BarbequeMasta]

Few fanboys? I'm don't like 5th edition but you must be lying to yourself if you think it's not popular! It practically saved dungeons and dragons and is by far the most-played and best-selling edition of all time.

Now, being a boomer I prefer the rogue-like wargame feel of 2nd edition or the character-building hack and slash of 3.5, but I'm not blind. I can see that all around me the most popular edition people play is 5th. You can find a fifth edition game everywhere. You need to look hard to find a second edition game.

The things worth saving weren't saved.

Rusty stop making me agree with you.

 

[Jasede]

Have to agree with people moaning about 5th edition rules. I've also never played D&D TT and never will, but IMO the older rulesets used by the original BGs were a lot better than the 5E one used in BG3.

I'll wait carefully while you explain to me how, for the purposes of a combat RPG, a butchered, simplified version of the already simple 2nd edition ruleset was "a lot better" for combat encounters than a version that has actual skills, feats, combat modes, battle maneuvers, class kits that give you a wide array of abilities as you level, etc.

 

[Storyfag]

3.5 is best system for PC RPG.

It is still lacking. A hybrid of 3.5e and 5e would be beest. Something like Pathfinder.

 

[Jasede]

The best system already exists: the Kotc2 combat engine. It's basically 3.5 with a little homebrew here and there. If you add a few more classes and a skill system it would be perfect.

 

[Ninjerk]

Despite being only 13% of the population Tieflings commit 52% of the crimes...

You are mistaking VERY rare less than 0.1 percent of population with something else.

Tieflings are greatly affected by structural inequality built into the very fabric of the planes.

 

[Thonius]

Well so it's 3.5. Got it! Or pathfinder which is 3.5+. Got it.

 

[Tyranicon]

3.5 is best system for PC RPG.

It is still lacking. A hybrid of 3.5e and 5e would be beest. Something like Pathfinder.

I honestly enjoyed Pathfinder rules more than I expected in Kingmaker.

Outside of all the bugs and quirks, Kingmaker probably had the best translation of the tabletop rules into a video game that I've seen in the last few years.

 

[Thonius]

3.5 is best system for PC RPG.

It is still lacking. A hybrid of 3.5e and 5e would be beest. Something like Pathfinder.

I honestly enjoyed Pathfinder more than I expected in Kingmaker.

Outside of all the bugs and quirks, Kingmaker probably had the best translation of the tabletop rules into a video game that I've seen in the last few years.

PFK is build on Pathfinder 1.0

 

[Tyranicon]

3.5 is best system for PC RPG.

It is still lacking. A hybrid of 3.5e and 5e would be beest. Something like Pathfinder.

I honestly enjoyed Pathfinder more than I expected in Kingmaker.

Outside of all the bugs and quirks, Kingmaker probably had the best translation of the tabletop rules into a video game that I've seen in the last few years.

PFK is build on Pathfinder 1.0

You're fast lol. I ninja'ed my comment, but the point still stands.

 

[Jasede]

Poseidon00
You're a retarded nigger and I hope you die.

 

[J1M]

3.5 is best system for PC RPG.

It's too bad we'll never see a 4e PC game to really validate that claim.

It's quite the zeitgeist to claim that 4e was bad because it was 'too much like a video game'.

 

[kangaxx]

but IMO the older rulesets used by the original BGs were a lot better than the 5E one used in BG3.

Why?

Admittedly it may be something to do with familiarity that will change over time, but I preferred the old THACO and AC system. I also find the bonus action thing a bit weird. As in why does everyone get to jump around once per turn, even with something like bandmail on? I'm assuming that isn't allowed in the TT version.

I also preferred the older class system/specialisations etc. It seemed a bit simpler to build a good character, although obviously not the first few times you looked at it. Again, maybe it will change with familiarity - who knows.

 

[Jasede]

I think 4th edition would have made a decent game. Did they cancel that 4th edition mobile tactics TB combat game they were working on like ten years ago?

 

[Xamenos]

3.5 is best system for PC RPG.

It's too bad we'll never see a 4e PC game to really validate that claim.

It's quite the zeitgeist to claim that 4e was bad because it was 'too much like a video game'.

Indeed, Wizards went full retard back then.

 

[BarbequeMasta]

3.5 is best system for PC RPG.

It's too bad we'll never see a 4e PC game to really validate that claim.

It's quite the zeitgeist to claim that 4e was bad because it was 'too much like a video game'.

I'll be honest, i barely even remember 4E, but didnt pillars system take some inspiration from it.

 

[Jasede]

kangaxx
There's no difference between Thac0 and negative AC and the modern positive AC and attack bonus model. They're the same system, they just look different.

And yes, you can't move as a bonus action in tabletop. You get 1 move, 1 standard and 1 bonus action per turn, and you can't use the bonus action to move.

I liked it better when moving and attacking came from the same action pool in second edition but maybe that's just me.

 

[Lacrymas]

I think 4th edition would have made a decent game. Did they cancel that 4th edition mobile tactics TB combat game they were working on like ten years ago?

Wasn't Sword Coast Legends based on 4E?