Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Early Access Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Storyfag]

Canonically, Abdel Adrian still lived well over 100 years after BG2 finished.

Oh god, they made the character from those awful tie-in novels canon? Jesus christ, did anyone at Wizards of the Coast read that garbage before approving that?

There are multiple indications that he has since been... unpersoned.

Right, Comrade Joseph Stalin?

 

[Robber Baron]

There was once a beautiful woman.

Spoiler

Men and women alike travelled across the land to earn her hand in marriage.

Really now Larian

 

[underground nymph]

One of my major concerns is: is character building this restrictive in 5e? I’m not a fan of 3.5 either though with its tons of useless feats. But this one looks somewhat refined to my taste.

 

[Elex]

GUYS! GUYS! GUYS!

I just learned that when gnomes undergo ceremorphosis, the process can go wrong and, instead of becoming a full-fledged mind flayer, they might transform into a gnome ceremorph, which basically is some sort of mind flayer corgi:

Look at how cute he is! I'm 99% positive that we are going to meet one of these cute little squiggly balls of tentacles in BG3.

If the process goes SUPER wrong, they might also become a gnome squidling:

What the fuck. Look at this duuuuuuuuude.

The wonders of 5E's lore.

That little shit have a laser pistol.

no joke:
Laser Pistol.

Ranged Weapon Attack: +5 to hit, range 40/120 ft., one target. Hit: 12 (3d6 + 2) radiant damage.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Canonically, Abdel Adrian still lived well over 100 years after BG2 finished.

Oh god, they made the character from those awful tie-in novels canon? Jesus christ, did anyone at Wizards of the Coast read that garbage before approving that?

Abdel Adrian is 100% canon, although it's arguable as to whether he's actually Gorion's ward or not. I'm not sure if the books themselves are canon. But Murder in Baldur's Gate definitely is.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Murder_in_Baldur's_Gate

My source for this is the Heroes of Baldur's Gate book licensed by WotC which postdates Murder in Baldur's Gate, btw.
They don't directly reference Abdel Adrian, but instead simply refer to Gorion's Ward multiple times.

James Ohlen was behind Heroes of Baldur's Gate so I'm not surprised that it has no references to Abdel tbh.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

GUYS! GUYS! GUYS!

I just learned that when gnomes undergo ceremorphosis, the process can go wrong and, instead of becoming a full-fledged mind flayer, they might transform into a gnome ceremorph, which basically is some sort of mind flayer corgi:

Look at how cute he is! I'm 99% positive that we are going to meet one of these cute little squiggly balls of tentacles in BG3.

If the process goes SUPER wrong, they might also become a gnome squidling:

What the fuck. Look at this duuuuuuuuude.

The wonders of 5E's lore.

That little shit have a laser pistol.

no joke:
Laser Pistol.

Ranged Weapon Attack: +5 to hit, range 40/120 ft., one target. Hit: 12 (3d6 + 2) radiant damage.

To be fair, the separation between FR and Spelljammer hasn't always been so clear.

 

[Jasede]

By canon, illithids appeared in the Forgotten Realms after they time-traveled into the past from a future in which they rule the multiverse in order to change history in such a way as to avoid the gith from freeing themselves from their rule. They crashed and went underground to work on this.

Of course the illithids don't know that actually this, too, is just something the elder brains are manipulating them into for unknown reasons.

 

[Gyor]

D&D becomes relatively pointless after 10-12th level anyway, so I wouldn't encourage going beyond that. It's not only more work to introduce the ridiculously overpowered spells, they also trivialize a lot of the content (that is also hard to make). Just have some self-control, Larian. Stick as closely to the rules as possible, don't try to make it more flashy than it needs to be, and it's going to be ok.

Hopefully they ignore you, I want them to go to level 20, they can find ways to rebalance high levels

 

[Gyor]

GUYS! GUYS! GUYS!

I just learned that when gnomes undergo ceremorphosis, the process can go wrong and, instead of becoming a full-fledged mind flayer, they might transform into a gnome ceremorph, which basically is some sort of mind flayer corgi:

Look at how cute he is! I'm 99% positive that we are going to meet one of these cute little squiggly balls of tentacles in BG3.

If the process goes SUPER wrong, they might also become a gnome squidling:

What the fuck. Look at this duuuuuuuuude.

The wonders of 5E's lore.

That little shit have a laser pistol.

no joke:
Laser Pistol.

Ranged Weapon Attack: +5 to hit, range 40/120 ft., one target. Hit: 12 (3d6 + 2) radiant damage.

To be fair, the separation between FR and Spelljammer hasn't always been so clear.

Very true! I concider Realnspace to be as much if not more an FR book.

 

[Xamenos]

By canon, illithids appeared in the Forgotten Realms after they time-traveled into the past from a future in which they rule the multiverse in order to change history in such a way as to avoid the gith from freeing themselves from their rule. They crashed and went underground to work on this.

Of course the illithids don't know that actually this, too, is just something the elder brains are manipulating them into for unknown reasons.

Unless Wizards changed it recently, there hasn't been a definitive answer to the Illithid's origins. Time-traveling is merely one version, and I don't even think it's the oldest one.

 

[Joseph Stalin]

Storyfag
rusty_shackleford
GhopTheConqueror

All right, here goes the autism:
1. The novels are 100% NON CANON. I took the liberty of writing WotC more than a year ago to make sure, and they replied that yes, they have been removed from canon.
2. ABDEL ADRIAN was the default name of a human CHARNAME when you took him as a pre-made character in Tales of the Sword Coast. They simply chose this name as his canonical one, human as a race, and Neutral as alignment. He doesn't even have a canonical class.
3. Whether the Abdel Adrian from "A Murder in Baldur's Gate" is even still considered canon is HEAVILY up to debate. Said adventure module was released in 2013. EVERY SINGLE SOURCE MATERIAL since that time - the Minsc comics; "Heroes of Baldur's Gate" module, and "Descent into Avernus" module only ever referred to a "Gorion's Ward" and that a member of Baldur's Gate nobility is rumoured to be a Bhaalspawn. That's literally it.

And, most importantly, there is what I consider to be a red herring in Bhaal's description in Baldur's Gate III, where it's stated that every Bhaalspawn has been killed. That would mean that:
1. Imoen and Sarevok have both been murdered, and Sarevok lives in FUCKING CHINA.
2. Every single child of every single Bhaalspawn is dead (the children of Bhaalspawn are automatically Bhaalspawn themselves).
3. Larian decided to give a huge middle finger to the series fans just for the shits and giggles.

 

[ChildInTime]

Joseph Stalin what is the possibility that

Spoiler

Loulaum is the "evil enemy" behind all of this? He is both a Netherese wizard and an Illithid, which would explain both the fact that the hag claims that there is Netherese shadow magic protecting the tadpole.

How are you even supposed to fight something like that?

Spoiler

His stats from 3.5 -
Wizard 31
Archmage 5
Netherese arcanist 5

His stats from 2e - Arcanist 41

Guy could probably go toe to toe with any major god in the setting and give them hell if not on their home plane.

 

[NJClaw]

Joseph Stalin what is the possibility that

Spoiler

Loulaum is the "evil enemy" behind all of this? He is both a Netherese wizard and an Illithid, which would explain both the fact that the hag claims that there is Netherese shadow magic protecting the tadpole.

How are you even supposed to fight something like that?

Spoiler

His stats from 3.5 -
Wizard 31
Archmage 5
Netherese arcanist 5

His stats from 2e - Arcanist 41

Guy could probably go toe to toe with any major god in the setting and give them hell if not on their home plane.

I mean, you do beat up a mind flayer at level 1.

 

[BarbequeMasta]

Storyfag
rusty_shackleford
GhopTheConqueror

All right, here goes the autism:
1. The novels are 100% NON CANON. I took the liberty of writing WotC more than a year ago to make sure, and they replied that yes, they have been removed from canon.
2. ABDEL ADRIAN was the default name of a human CHARNAME when you took him as a pre-made character in Tales of the Sword Coast. They simply chose this name as his canonical one, human as a race, and Neutral as alignment. He doesn't even have a canonical class.
3. Whether the Abdel Adrian from "A Murder in Baldur's Gate" is even still considered canon is HEAVILY up to debate. Said adventure module was released in 2013. EVERY SINGLE SOURCE MATERIAL since that time - the Minsc comics; "Heroes of Baldur's Gate" module, and "Descent into Avernus" module only ever referred to a "Gorion's Ward" and that a member of Baldur's Gate nobility is rumoured to be a Bhaalspawn. That's literally it.

And, most importantly, there is what I consider to be a red herring in Bhaal's description in Baldur's Gate III, where it's stated that every Bhaalspawn has been killed. That would mean that:
1. Imoen and Sarevok have both been murdered, and Sarevok lives in FUCKING CHINA.
2. Every single child of every single Bhaalspawn is dead (the children of Bhaalspawn are automatically Bhaalspawn themselves).
3. Larian decided to give a huge middle finger to the series fans just for the shits and giggles.

Maybe Sarevok cought Corona.
The whole game is a middle finger to anyone who was a fan of the previous games.

 

[Joseph Stalin]

Joseph Stalin what is the possibility that

Spoiler

Loulaum is the "evil enemy" behind all of this? He is both a Netherese wizard and an Illithid, which would explain both the fact that the hag claims that there is Netherese shadow magic protecting the tadpole.

How are you even supposed to fight something like that?

Spoiler

His stats from 3.5 -
Wizard 31
Archmage 5
Netherese arcanist 5

His stats from 2e - Arcanist 41

Guy could probably go toe to toe with any major god in the setting and give them hell if not on their home plane.

I'll give you something even better. Since the lad is older than Mystra, he isn't bound by the restrictions she applied after Karsus' Folly. In other words, he has access to 10th and 11th level spells.

 

[Joseph Stalin]

Storyfag
rusty_shackleford
GhopTheConqueror

All right, here goes the autism:
1. The novels are 100% NON CANON. I took the liberty of writing WotC more than a year ago to make sure, and they replied that yes, they have been removed from canon.
2. ABDEL ADRIAN was the default name of a human CHARNAME when you took him as a pre-made character in Tales of the Sword Coast. They simply chose this name as his canonical one, human as a race, and Neutral as alignment. He doesn't even have a canonical class.
3. Whether the Abdel Adrian from "A Murder in Baldur's Gate" is even still considered canon is HEAVILY up to debate. Said adventure module was released in 2013. EVERY SINGLE SOURCE MATERIAL since that time - the Minsc comics; "Heroes of Baldur's Gate" module, and "Descent into Avernus" module only ever referred to a "Gorion's Ward" and that a member of Baldur's Gate nobility is rumoured to be a Bhaalspawn. That's literally it.

And, most importantly, there is what I consider to be a red herring in Bhaal's description in Baldur's Gate III, where it's stated that every Bhaalspawn has been killed. That would mean that:
1. Imoen and Sarevok have both been murdered, and Sarevok lives in FUCKING CHINA.
2. Every single child of every single Bhaalspawn is dead (the children of Bhaalspawn are automatically Bhaalspawn themselves).
3. Larian decided to give a huge middle finger to the series fans just for the shits and giggles.

Maybe Sarevok cought Corona.
The whole game is a middle finger to anyone who was a fan of the previous games.

So far, story-wise, the game has literally no connection to the previous titles, so your comment is nonsensical.

 

[Thonius]

Joseph Stalin what is the possibility that

Spoiler

Loulaum is the "evil enemy" behind all of this? He is both a Netherese wizard and an Illithid, which would explain both the fact that the hag claims that there is Netherese shadow magic protecting the tadpole.

How are you even supposed to fight something like that?

Spoiler

His stats from 3.5 -
Wizard 31
Archmage 5
Netherese arcanist 5

His stats from 2e - Arcanist 41

Guy could probably go toe to toe with any major god in the setting and give them hell if not on their home plane.

I mean, you do beat up a mind flayer at level 1.

Actually you don't. You kill mind devours(if you fail some checks) then you finish or not one wounded.

 

[NJClaw]

Joseph Stalin what is the possibility that

Spoiler

Loulaum is the "evil enemy" behind all of this? He is both a Netherese wizard and an Illithid, which would explain both the fact that the hag claims that there is Netherese shadow magic protecting the tadpole.

How are you even supposed to fight something like that?

Spoiler

His stats from 3.5 -
Wizard 31
Archmage 5
Netherese arcanist 5

His stats from 2e - Arcanist 41

Guy could probably go toe to toe with any major god in the setting and give them hell if not on their home plane.

I mean, you do beat up a mind flayer at level 1.

Actually you don't. You kill mind devours(if you fail some checks) then you finish or not one wounded.

You can actually trigger a fight with the wounded mind flayer.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

3. Whether the Abdel Adrian from "A Murder in Baldur's Gate" is even still considered canon is HEAVILY up to debate. Said adventure module was released in 2013. EVERY SINGLE SOURCE MATERIAL since that time - the Minsc comics; "Heroes of Baldur's Gate" module, and "Descent into Avernus" module only ever referred to a "Gorion's Ward" and that a member of Baldur's Gate nobility is rumoured to be a Bhaalspawn. That's literally it.

Descent Into Avernus doesn't mention Gorion's Ward at all, it simply makes references to a bhaalspawn.
It would be odd if an important module(Murder in Baldur's Gate) was magically non-canon, because many elements of Descent into Avernus and related materials rely on it being canon. e.g., Rescuing Ulder Ravengard is a major plotpoint of Descent into Avernus, and Ulder was Abdel's right-hand man as grand duke.
There's nothing to suggest that Abdel isn't canon, only that he is no longer Gorion's ward.

 

[d1r]

tl;dr: who cares what Black Isle Studio or your <CHARNAME> did 20 years ago

 

[Sharpedge]

Joseph Stalin what is the possibility that

Spoiler

Loulaum is the "evil enemy" behind all of this? He is both a Netherese wizard and an Illithid, which would explain the fact that the hag claims that there is Netherese shadow magic protecting the tadpole.

How are you even supposed to fight something like that?

Spoiler

His stats from 3.5 -
Wizard 31
Archmage 5
Netherese arcanist 5

His stats from 2e - Arcanist 41

Guy could probably go toe to toe with any major god in the setting and give them hell if not on their home plane.

Spoiler

I don't know, but I would guess that something along these lines is where we are heading, with some illithid trying to become a god. Loulaum would be best positioned to pull something like that off.

 

[NJClaw]

tl;dr: who cares what Black Isle Studio or your <CHARNAME> did 20 years ago

It would be odd if an important module(Murder in Baldur's Gate) was magically non-canon, because many elements of Descent into Avernus and related materials rely on it being canon. e.g., Rescuing Ulder Ravengard is a major plotpoint of Descent into Avernus, and Ulder was Abdel's right-hand man as grand duke.

I wouldn't call Murder in Baldur's Gate an "important" module. Its a 30-pages adventure that nobody ever played.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

I'll buy only final patched product only, thank you!

Which is all fine and good by me, but my point is that nobody is forcing you or anyone else to make a hasty decision in regards to the EA. I could understand buyer's remorse for a game on sale since you might not have the time to dwell on your choice before the discount goes off. In the case of BG3 though? You have a whole year to decide whether to purchase it in EA or not. If you are hasty with your decision or have poor impulse control and buy it on a whim, there's no one to blame but you.

 

[Gyor]

tl;dr: who cares what Black Isle Studio or your <CHARNAME> did 20 years ago

I know, it's like expecting your home canon for FR to all of a sudden become official FR canon, folks get a grip, your not Ed Greenwood.

 

[Bester]

I somehow fucked up the early stages of gith creche quest. Now it says "you fucked up, find it yourself" in so many words. Where is it on the map?