Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Early Access Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Yosharian]

I must say though, I do tend to avoid having traps for which the solution is merely 'Rogue uses Disable Device and hopes he rolls high enough'.

I just feel that's kinda boring and prefer traps where the players must think about what the solution is.

I don't mind those traps at all. I have no problem with monsters for which the solution is merely "Fighter hits them until they die". The poor rogue should get his chance to shine in one of his specialties. Otherwise people start thinking they can replace him with a Wand of Summon Monster. More elaborate traps should be used on special occasions only.

Angry GM should basically be required reading for anyone who wants to DM a PnP RPG

Meh. There are some occasional good nuggets in his long-winded rants, but his style is not for everyone.

I still give the rogue chance to shine, it's just not as simple as 'i roll disable device'

 

[Reinhardt]

Listen, rogue, it's your time to shine. You will carry our stuff. It's very important job.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Listen, rogue, it's your time to shine. You will carry our stuff. It's very important job.

Not with that STR score he won't.

 

[Reinhardt]

Listen, rogue, it's your time to shine. You will carry our stuff. It's very important job.

Not with that STR score he won't.

Still higher than wizard's.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Listen, rogue, it's your time to shine. You will carry our stuff. It's very important job.

Not with that STR score he won't.

Still higher than wizard's.

Any score is higher than DEAD though.

 

[Gargaune]

IDK iuf someone already brought it but :


How George Ziets would make BG3

Sounds cool, but it would probably work better as a TBS-RPG hybrid than a pure cRPG. I wouldn't mind a D&D Disciples clone. Or maybe go the PFKM route.

Much better than the Divinity Original sin clone : Dungeons & Kobolds edition that Larian is making.

If only. I don't know how you look at Baldur's Gate "3" with its cosmic calamari, interdimensional dragon riders and literal devils and go "needs more epic."

 

[Storyfag]

Listen, rogue, it's your time to shine. You will carry our stuff. It's very important job.

Not with that STR score he won't.

Still higher than wizard's.

Any score is higher than DEAD though.

A dead wizard can still boil your entrails, barbarian.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Listen, rogue, it's your time to shine. You will carry our stuff. It's very important job.

Not with that STR score he won't.

Still higher than wizard's.

Any score is higher than DEAD though.

A dead wizard can still boil your entrails, barbarian.

A dead barbarian can still get your goat.

 

[Xamenos]

I still give the rogue chance to shine, it's just not as simple as 'i roll disable device'

Then you're making things more difficult for your rogue for no apparent reason. Do you also dislike how simple it is for the fighter to just roll for his attacks? How simple it is for a wizard to cast a spell?

I'm not saying you should never have more elaborate traps that the rogue can't simply roll and disable. But if the player plays a rogue, that means he enjoys it. Why take it away from him entirely?

 

[Yosharian]

I still give the rogue chance to shine, it's just not as simple as 'i roll disable device'

Then you're making things more difficult for your rogue for no apparent reason. Do you also dislike how simple it is for the fighter to just roll for his attacks? How simple it is for a wizard to cast a spell?

I'm not saying you should never have more elaborate traps that the rogue can't simply roll and disable. But if the player plays a rogue, that means he enjoys it. Why take it away from him entirely?

I don't take it away from him. At all.

 

[Larianshill]

What did you mean when you said that rogue still gets his time to shine?

 

[Harthwain]

I don't take it away from him. At all.

What advantage the rogue player gets compared to the non-rogue players? GM-hand-written notes with clues? (I am not mocking, by the way, this is a genuine question.)

 

[Cryomancer]

I don't take it away from him. At all.

What advantage the rogue player gets compared to the non-rogue players? GM-hand-written notes with clues? (I am not mocking, by the way, this is a genuine question.)

On older editions, backstabbing someone with a poisoned knife was really nasty. IDK how sneak attack and poison works on 5E. But it was pretty nasty on 2E and would probably be worse on BG3 than on 5e due "lower ac, increase hp" BS

 

[Xamenos]

On older editions, backstabbing someone with a poisoned knife was really nasty. IDK how sneak attack and poison works on 5E. But it was pretty nasty on 2E and would probably be worse on BG3 than on 5e due "lower ac, increase hp" BS

A rogue should be more than just a backstabbing machine. Disabling traps with a roll so the rest of the party won't have to bother is one of the things the class is supposed to do. If you take that away, what advantage does the rogue get in regards to trap-finding and disabling, specifically?

 

[Storyfag]

Disabling traps with a roll so the rest of the party won't have to bother is one of the things the class is supposed to do. If you take that away, what advantage does the rogue get in regards to trap-finding and disabling, specifically?

Proficiency bonus and thiefs tools?

 

[Xamenos]

Proficiency bonus and thiefs tools?

I am specifically talking to the people who want dealing with traps to be more complicated than a simple roll, so bonuses to the roll should not apply here.

 

[Harthwain]

On older editions, backstabbing someone with a poisoned knife was really nasty. IDK how sneak attack and poison works on 5E. But it was pretty nasty on 2E and would probably be worse on BG3 than on 5e due "lower ac, increase hp" BS

I was talking specifically in the context of Yosharian GMing his traps to be more than a simple roll for disabling them. It stands to reason that a rogue ought to have better insight into traps than his non-rogue-ish companions, but I am particularly interested in how he handles this in detail.

 

[Rean]

Not every two characters are the same. The 'Rogue' class is nothing but a template with specific guidelines, the character might be proficient with traps or not. In cases where a character should be able to shine, the problem is fixable immediately by giving advantage or allowing double/any arbitrary proficiency bonuses. If they still fail this extremely generous roll, it just wasn't meant to be. Maybe they had too much ale to drink last night.

 

[gurugeorge]

I've often thought that difficult traps could be solved by consultation within the team. e.g. if it's a magic trap then the Mage can have some input and weight the roll a bit; if it's purely mechanical, then like a gnome or something might have extra weighting. (e.g. it could be a place where racial bonuses shine too.)

Could be like a miniature "storybook" sequence.

 

[Yosharian]

I don't take it away from him. At all.

What advantage the rogue player gets compared to the non-rogue players? GM-hand-written notes with clues? (I am not mocking, by the way, this is a genuine question.)

What edition?

 

[Harthwain]

What edition?

Whichever one you're playing.

 

[Yosharian]

What edition?

Whichever one you're playing.

Well, the Pathfinder unchained rogue has trapfinding which says

A rogue adds 1/2 her level on Perception checks to locate traps and on Disable Device checks (minimum +1). A rogue can use Disable Device to disarm magic traps.

This is the unique ability rogues bring to the table. So I would skin this as, rogues have a chance to disable certain magical traps that the other classes can't, and in addition they might be able to disarm the trap in such a way that it might be reused.

Other things depend heavily on the type of trap used, and even then specific traps of the same type might be disarmed in different ways.

As an example, a very simple and primitive trap I set up in a campaign I was running involved the use of a magical gemstone powering a trap that fired poison darts at the party.

I used AngryGM's click! rule to give the point man a chance to avoid the first dart they were exposed to. The poison was strong enough that even the toughest person in the party stood a good chance of dying if they got hit. The point man raised his shield which blocked the dart.

From that point they were able to get behind the device and eventually figure out that they needed to pry the gemstone out of the it to disable it.

I wouldn't rule that only a rogue could do that, but I would rule that only the rogue stood a chance of retrieving the entire mechanism intact so that he might reuse the trap against his enemies.

The gemstone was also used to power up some daggers they found on NPCs in that area

 

[The_Mask]

Can you place your own traps in this game, if you play a rogue? And if yes, what's the limit/ area?

 

[Yosharian]

Can you place your own traps in this game, if you play a rogue? And if yes, what's the limit/ area?

I mean that's just something I thought of off the top of my head, I dunno. None of the players played a rogue, so...

 

[Yosharian]

It would probably be a unique thing, for other traps I'd think of something different. Maybe they can obtain an interesting mechanism from a mechanical trap. That they might be able to make something from.

My campaign has some steampunk elements so it would fit into that