Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Early Access Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Fedora Master]

This game is nothing but Noobers, from the NPCs in the game to the NPCs developing it.

Care to give some examples?

BG3 is about as well-written as BG2 was, from what I've seen so far. Better in some places.

I don't see any examples of Larian camp in the writing, apart from maybe some of the comic relief in the Goblin fort.

Watch the streams Infinishill posts. Observe Larianoids in their natural habitat. They exude cringe like a pajeet exudes the smell of curry.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Watch the streams Infinishill posts. Observe Larianoids in their natural habitat. They exude cringe like a pajeet exudes the smell of curry.

I said as much earlier. I can't stand their PR for the game, but the game itself is pretty decent.

Now, it could be that everything I've seen so far is just the good stuff and a metric ton of "cringe" is waiting for me at Baldur's Gate, but I just haven't seen it yet.

The dialog and characters are competently written. More so than any RPG released this year - especially that giant pile of LGBT turd that is WotR.

And while I don't find the idea of starting on a beach and having to choose between druids and goblins (two evils), I think the implementation is fair and I don't see much in the way of the unfunny-joke-filled writing that plagued every previous Larian game.

 

[Namutree]

I'm sure the game will be fine if you like Larian games. I don't.

Really wish Baldur's Gate 3 could have been a real time with pause combat system like... I dunno... Baldur's Gate?

Really wish Baldur's Gate could have been a turn-based game like... I dunno... D&D?

If Baldur's Gate was called D&D 2, marketed it's self as the sequel to D&D, and because of it's existence no real "D&D 2" will ever exist, that'd be a great point, but it's not.

Yeah it's just a game using the D&D ruleset and you're angry at larian for being more faithful to it.

The only reason rtwp ever existed was to cash in on the popularity of RTS. It was an abomination.

If Larian wants a turn based system they shouldn't associate their product with the Baldur's Gate name specifically. There are plenty of turn based D&D games that they could have latched onto, they chose Baldur's Gate, because Baldur's Gate is more popular than those games. A new "Baldur's Gate" game is getting them more attention than it being a new D&D game. It's not D&D they're interested in, it's the Baldur's Gate name that they're using. That Baldur's Gate is associated at all with D&D is just happenstance.

 

[Pink Eye]

>they chose Baldur's Gate, because Baldur's Gate is more popular than those games
It's not though? The Divinity Original Sin games are by far the most popular RPGs on the market. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. Steamspy estimates that there's about five to ten million owners:

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Steam charts has it averaging about ten thousand players, active, per day:

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The Original Sin games are very popular with the main stream audience. Ask yourself this. If the Original Sin games are so successful. Why would Larian take a risk on a franchise that is mostly forgotten? I can assure you one thing. It isn't because they want to "leech" off of that sweet sweet thirty year old Baldur's Gate success.

 

[Tyrr]

They already have the DOS crowd in the bag. They all know it's basically DOS3. There is no risk losing this audience.

But by slapping "Baldur's Gate 3" on it they first got a lot media attention and also all the old fans, desperate for that nostalgia kick (plus people who only heard about that mystical old BG RPG). Obsidian got money thrown at them for just hinting about that PoE would be an unofficial new BG.
Didn't the early access sold very well? If Baldur's Gate was such an forgotten IP, why would so many people buy it without knowing much about the game?

 

[fantadomat]

>they chose Baldur's Gate, because Baldur's Gate is more popular than those games
It's not though? The Divinity Original Sin games are by far the most popular RPGs on the market. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. Steamspy estimates that there's about five to ten million owners:

Spoiler

Steam charts has it averaging about ten thousand players, active, per day:

Spoiler

The Original Sin games are very popular with the main stream audience. Ask yourself this. If the Original Sin games are so successful. Why would Larian take a risk on a franchise that is mostly forgotten? I can assure you one thing. It isn't because they want to "leech" off of that sweet sweet thirty year old Baldur's Gate success.

Hmm i believe that dos 2 sold around million and a bit,that was official back in the day. I don't think that steamspy is accurate. Even if the game had legs,which i kind off don't believe,it would have sold up to 2 millions. 5-10 millions sounds like some random number thrown out there,just by looking at the margin,it becomes clear that it is a unreal number.

As for bg not having that big numbers....sure,but it is one of those games where every time there is a discussion about it,someone reinstalls it. While you can't accuse any of the dos games for that,if anything it is the butt of a joke.

 

[Pink Eye]

>I don't think that steamspy is accurate.
Coincidentally. They talk about that on their about page: https://steamspy.com/about

How accurate is this data?
Your usual political surveys are pretty correct mostly because you don't have much choice. It's going to be candidate A, B or maybe C in some countries, so margin of error less than 0.1% should be good enough. After all is it really important if final result for candidate A is going to be 34.5% or 34.4%?

It doesn't work this way with Steam. Imagine users as voters, but instead of voting for one of three candidates, they're voting for several games from tens of thousands available in Steam catalog. Even the most popular paid games are reaching maybe 5% of this audience and most are in realms of 0.1% or even less.

So 0.1% margin of error for a game with 0.1% of Steam audience would produce results that are mostly useless. That's why Steam Spy has to gather millions points of data daily to predict games sales and audience. And that's why Steam Spy is often wrong. Not by much, but still wrong.

For your convenience on every game page you can see a margin of error for this game converted to actual users. It will look this way: Owners: 7,000,000 ±200,000. Please, take this margin into consideration every time you're using Steam Spy's data.

The margin of error is calculated based on 98% confidence (if you know your math). What it means is that around 2% games have wrong stats on Steam Spy that are outside of the stated margin of error. Additionally, stats for games with smaller samples are very unreliable. I wouldn't trust any number below 30,000.

Then there's an entire fucking blog about this shit: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014...-gauge-ars-reveals-steams-most-popular-games/

 

[Heinrich]

This is another one of these recurring discussion topics: Person A comes up with the idea that Larian will run out of money or won't sell any copies after early access. Person B corrects him by pointing at Larian's current and past financial success or points out how many more copies DOS1/2 sold after early access. Person A turns around and goes 'lololol who cares about sales, anybody who brings up sales is decline', nevermind that he brought it up in the first place and is in fact the biggest decline around. We really should make an index of this crap.

BTW, what historical CRPG have even sold more than DOS2? I can believe that stuff like the original BG2 eventually sold more as remakes and bundle fodder, but did any CRPG ever sell more copies at decent prices than the DOS series?

 

[underground nymph]

I think that Larian has picked up the BG franchise because deep inside Swen acknowledged that D:OSs are dogshit and their audience is utterly retarded

 

[Cael]

This is another one of these recurring discussion topics: Person A comes up with the idea that Larian will run out of money or won't sell any copies after early access. Person B corrects him by pointing at Larian's current and past financial success or points out how many more copies DOS1/2 sold after early access. Person A turns around and goes 'lololol who cares about sales, anybody who brings up sales is decline', nevermind that he brought it up in the first place and is in fact the biggest decline around. We really should make an index of this crap.

BTW, what historical CRPG have even sold more than DOS2? I can believe that stuff like the original BG2 eventually sold more as remakes and bundle fodder, but did any CRPG ever sell more copies at decent prices than the DOS series?

That is like saying "Sound of Music" is no good because it didn't reach the audience Blank Pantsher did on release. When the real reason is a larger base audience now than before.

 

[Swen]

>they chose Baldur's Gate, because Baldur's Gate is more popular than those games
It's not though? The Divinity Original Sin games are by far the most popular RPGs on the market. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. Steamspy estimates that there's about five to ten million owners:

Spoiler

Steam charts has it averaging about ten thousand players, active, per day:

Spoiler

The Original Sin games are very popular with the main stream audience. Ask yourself this. If the Original Sin games are so successful. Why would Larian take a risk on a franchise that is mostly forgotten? I can assure you one thing. It isn't because they want to "leech" off of that sweet sweet thirty year old Baldur's Gate success.

Hmm i believe that dos 2 sold around million and a bit,that was official back in the day. I don't think that steamspy is accurate. Even if the game had legs,which i kind off don't believe,it would have sold up to 2 millions. 5-10 millions sounds like some random number thrown out there,just by looking at the margin,it becomes clear that it is a unreal number.

As for bg not having that big numbers....sure,but it is one of those games where every time there is a discussion about it,someone reinstalls it. While you can't accuse any of the dos games for that,if anything it is the butt of a joke.

DOS2 is extremely popular and sold much more than 2 million, lol. It's also on every console and handheld.

BG franchise is a joke compared to DOS2's sales numbers.

It's an honor for the BG franchise that Larian and me are even willing to be associated with it.

 

[Ulfhednar]

>they chose Baldur's Gate, because Baldur's Gate is more popular than those games
It's not though? The Divinity Original Sin games are by far the most popular RPGs on the market. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. Steamspy estimates that there's about five to ten million owners:

2008 numbers... that's before Beamdog's EEs...

Baldur's Gate Series

• MetaCritic Scores (as of February 2008):
  • Baldur's Gate: 91%
  • Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn: 95%
  • Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal: 88%
• The Baldur's Gate series: Baldur's Gate I, Baldur's Gate: Tales of the Sword Coast, Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn, and Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal have sold approximately 5 million units world-wide
• Baldur's Gate, released in 1998, has sold over 2 million units for PC and has won many industry awards; in 1999, BioWare released Baldur's Gate: Tales of the Sword Coast, a Baldur's Gate expansion pack. It debuted at #1 worldwide and sold over 600,000 units
• Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn, was released in Sept. 2000 and continued the award winning story line of the Baldur's Gate series, selling over 2 million units so far; in June 2001 Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal was released, the expansion pack to the award winning Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn, and the conclusion to the Baldur's Gate series, selling more than 500,000 units
• The Baldur's Gate franchise has won multiple Game of the Year and RPG of the Year awards

 

[Pink Eye]

Intradasting. There was also the console versions from Beamdog too. Wonder how many units they managed to sell in total and how that compares.

 

[Ulfhednar]

Intradasting. There was also the console versions from Beamdog too. Wonder how many units they managed to sell in total and how that compares.

https://steamspy.com/dev/Beamdog

Looks like they did pretty well - both BG EE and BG2 EE are 1 million+ on Steam. Not to mention EEs for PST, IWD and NWN.

SteamCharts shows BG2 EE averages around 500 concurrent players on steam... not bad for a 20 yo game.

 

[Thonius]

In 2000 pc gaming was not that popular, to be honest. Today more people play on PC, more people play vidia in general, it is less stigmatized I quess, there are more studios etc. You need to adjust the numbers somehow which is going to be faulty at best.
Obligatory - millions of flies can't be wrong. The Call Of Duty franchise is very popular too as an example.

 

[Swen]

>they chose Baldur's Gate, because Baldur's Gate is more popular than those games
It's not though? The Divinity Original Sin games are by far the most popular RPGs on the market. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. Steamspy estimates that there's about five to ten million owners:

2008 numbers... that's before Beamdog's EEs...

Baldur's Gate Series

• MetaCritic Scores (as of February 2008):
  • Baldur's Gate: 91%
  • Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn: 95%
  • Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal: 88%
• The Baldur's Gate series: Baldur's Gate I, Baldur's Gate: Tales of the Sword Coast, Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn, and Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal have sold approximately 5 million units world-wide
• Baldur's Gate, released in 1998, has sold over 2 million units for PC and has won many industry awards; in 1999, BioWare released Baldur's Gate: Tales of the Sword Coast, a Baldur's Gate expansion pack. It debuted at #1 worldwide and sold over 600,000 units
• Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn, was released in Sept. 2000 and continued the award winning story line of the Baldur's Gate series, selling over 2 million units so far; in June 2001 Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal was released, the expansion pack to the award winning Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn, and the conclusion to the Baldur's Gate series, selling more than 500,000 units
• The Baldur's Gate franchise has won multiple Game of the Year and RPG of the Year awards

Oh cool so we can use metacritic now? Good

 

[Ulfhednar]

Oh cool so we can use metacritic now? Good

You can use metacritic scores*

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from 2008

 

[fantadomat]

DOS2 is extremely popular and sold much more than 2 million, lol. It's also on every console and handheld.

Yes it sold one kajillion billions !!! Fucking retarded fanboys. The game sold less than 2 millions in its life,get over it faggit. While bg2 sold around 3 millions in its life.

 

[Swen]

DOS2 is extremely popular and sold much more than 2 million, lol. It's also on every console and handheld.

Yes it sold one kajillion billions !!! Fucking retarded fanboys. The game sold less than 2 millions in its life,get over it faggit. While bg2 sold around 3 millions in its life.

So this is the famous bulgarian education at work I see.

 

[fantadomat]

DOS2 is extremely popular and sold much more than 2 million, lol. It's also on every console and handheld.

Yes it sold one kajillion billions !!! Fucking retarded fanboys. The game sold less than 2 millions in its life,get over it faggit. While bg2 sold around 3 millions in its life.

So this is the famous bulgarian education at work I see.

Yes,we could see trough the shit and perceive reality. Clearly you can't as you mock people for using metacritic(fairly may i add),yet you screech about muh steamspy lol.
Sooo larain say - yo fag we sold 1million for the first 2 years. - and you are all nah that is not true.....the fat guy from steamspy wrote that you sold like 50 millions yo!

 

[The_Mask]

In 2000 pc gaming was not that popular, to be honest.

I disagree. It was, in fact, a lot more popular than the numbers show. And it's now being shown by how popular PC games are in Central in Eastern Europe as a consequence of the late 90's/early 00's mass pirating.

Not all numbers tell a full story.

 

[Reinhardt]

DOS2 is extremely popular and sold much more than 2 million, lol. It's also on every console and handheld.

Yes it sold one kajillion billions !!! Fucking retarded fanboys. The game sold less than 2 millions in its life,get over it faggit. While bg2 sold around 3 millions in its life.

So this is the famous bulgarian education at work I see.

yeah, it really went to shit after they started to listen to their new belgian overlords from brussel

 

[fantadomat]

DOS2 is extremely popular and sold much more than 2 million, lol. It's also on every console and handheld.

Yes it sold one kajillion billions !!! Fucking retarded fanboys. The game sold less than 2 millions in its life,get over it faggit. While bg2 sold around 3 millions in its life.

So this is the famous bulgarian education at work I see.

yeah, it really went to shit after they started to listen to their new belgian overlords from brussel

Did your german masters loosen up your leash ??

 

[Delterius]

DOS2 is extremely popular and sold much more than 2 million, lol. It's also on every console and handheld.

Yes it sold one kajillion billions !!! Fucking retarded fanboys. The game sold less than 2 millions in its life,get over it faggit. While bg2 sold around 3 millions in its life.

So this is the famous bulgarian education at work I see.

yeah, it really went to shit after they started to listen to their new belgian overlords from brussel

Did your german masters loosen up your leash ??

the two genders: ruled by belgians and ruled by germans

 

[Heinrich]

The worst thing about Larian doing BG3 always was and continuous to be attracting the declined Bioware/Obsidian troglodyte parade into this subforum and ruining our comfy threads.