Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Early Access Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Kleptocratic debt serf]

The Larian apologists are just as funny as the haters - a lack of communication has the haters all worked up and the apologists will slurp Larian's syphilitic genitals regardless... If i had to venture a guess, BG3 release date early 2023.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

a lack of communication has the haters all worked up

No, it doesn't. There's no lack of communication. The game is on Early Access. They do regular (and completely unnecessary) podcasts and interviews. There've been content updates for the past two years.

These posters just hate Larian, and/or are rabid fans of the tranny game.

I don't even like Larian as a company apart from this game. I've stated it multiple times for 10+ years (on my old account).

However, unlike the majority of the WotT fans itt, I've actually played BG3 and was impressed by it. That's the extent of my Larian "apologism" - liking one of their games. Well, two games, if you count the original Divine Divinity 20 years ago.

Feel free to continue to imagine that as more than it is though.

 

[Kleptocratic debt serf]

However, unlike the majority of the WotT fans itt, I've actually played BG3 and was impressed by it. That's the extent of my Larian "apologism" - liking one of their games. Well, two games, if you count the original Divine Divinity 20 years ago.

Feel free to continue to imagine that as more than it is though.

LMAO, somebody is was way too emotionally invested. Who gives a flying fuck. I just wanted to get a rise out of the apologists.

 

[Cryomancer]

As long as the mumbling regarding Astarion's romance on reddit is going on, you can expect nothing from them.

Yep. That is what BG3 is about. Motion captured sex scenes.

WotT fanboys smh

Define WoTR fanboy.

Because for eg, I don't think that WoTR is better than Kingmaker nor see it as a flawless masterpiece. Din't liked the power creep of end game, writing in most of the game, din't liked the encounter design some chapters. I have more desire to replay SSI games or M&M IV/V/VI/VII/VIII or replay NWN1/2 again over WoTR and a game which such amazing character creation should allow dozens of "replays".

, I've actually played BG3 and was impressed by it.

What did you find impressive in BG3? Please. Don't criticize WoTR. Just mention the good stuff present in BG3. Because I honestly I found the animations too slow for a turn based combat and this with 5E low lethality makes some encounters last forever. Din't liked the classes and spells in game. Din't liked the quests, din't liked magical items(...) I only liked the reactivity. An entire area changed cuz I passed a check and it dispelled illusions.

 

[Kleptocratic debt serf]

What are the odds that BG3 is going to be just like D:OS, given Larian's design/EA approach? That the early part of the game will be well polished and put together, but will be weaker in the later acts?

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Define WoTR fanboy.

You. A hypocrite who loves Wrath of the Tranny and comes here to shit on BG3, a game you've never played, every time there's an update, and for many of the things WotT has in it.

Sex scenes? WotT has more of them. And dumber ones with zero production value, written by and featuring literal autistic furries. "Vampires" that don't fit into your movie-influenced definition of a vampire? WotT has that too. Bad writing? First off, BG3 has good writing for an RPG - better than most even. Secondly, WotT is bascially the king of bad writing at this point. There's a whole thread full of cringe posted here.

There's zero reason for you to be such a dedicated hater of this particular game, yet here you are, every time. Posting walls of text complaining about things you barely understand and perfectly tolerate in WotT.

Don't criticize WoTR.

I don't take orders for free, buddy. Pay me $500 an hour and then we'll talk.

Just mention the good stuff present in BG3.

Off the top of my head:

Skill rolls that make sense and affect gameplay.
Rolls for NPCs.
Actual roleplaying with choices that matter and affect your character, your party and the world around you.
Spells and skills that do things outside of combat.
Characters with actual writing, mystery, believable backstory reveals, character arcs.
More interesting main story than the standard NWN bullshit about defending some shitty city you're given no reason to care about.
Low-level combat - no, that's not a negative, no matter how hard big numbers and buildfag spreadsheets make you. Go be a munchkin somewhere else.
Turn-based combat with meaningful encounter design.
A dedication to actual PnP feel from the dev team.
Not shoving LGBT faggotry in your face at every turn at the expense of characters and the story.

5E

That's one of the few negatives the game has. (That, and I don't really find the teifling v goblin story that interesting, but the larger story elements and additional areas really flesh it out into a good campaign.)

Not going to get Wizards of the Coast to switch back to 2E anytime soon though. The game is there to promote 5E, not show everyone how much better things were back in the day before they ruined D&D for the normies.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

I am not up to date on all this but this-

but I din't liked any wizard

It is not too late for you Meredith, reject sorcery return to barbarism.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

What are the odds that BG3 is going to be just like D:OS, given Larian's design/EA approach? That the early part of the game will be well polished and put together, but will be weaker in the later acts?

Hey, if they ended up ruining the mid or late game, you would probably be able to come here and read my posts complaining about it once I played through it. (If there aren't pages of WotT fanboys spamming this thread still, that is.)

But as it stands in the real present, and not the imaginary future, they've got a really solid showcase that's the size and complexity of full games like ToEE.

I was worried the game would be DoS as well. If you look at the pre-alpha teasers for how they were going to do dialog, I thought it would be pure decline. I even posted multiple times in the pre-EA thread saying it would be crap.

But now that I've played EA, I can say I was wrong. It's actually surprisingly fantastic. I don't know if they brought on additional writers or what, but the quality and design philosophy of this game is astonishing. Maybe Troika level or better in some ways.

Take Shadowheart - people hated her. (I liked her, but whatever.) So, rather than just rewrite her character, they added an option to be able to save her at the start. This changes her initial reaction to you so she's not a bitch by default that you have to win over.

That's how you should treat a character. Like they're a living, breathing person that needs to be influenced. I truly doubt most other game writers do that. I was beyond impressed. I have no idea what changed on Larian's writing team since starting this game, but it's been a very positive change.

 

[Cryomancer]

o loves Wrath of the Tranny

I don't love WoTR. In fact, I criticized it a lot. Said that the demon mythic path is awful and pointless. Said that getting mythic powers fells like an Deus Ex Machina from nothing, that some spells are bugged, that the writting is bad in many parts and what makes regill interesting is that he realizes that many parts of the plot makes no sense. criticized that they thread egalitarianism as good(...) In fact, I prefer kingmaker over WoTR.

a game you've never played

27 hours on record

movie-influenced definition of a vampire?

Is not movie influenced. Is how vampires are depicted in slavic folklore, in Bram Stoker, in D&D Ravenloft - Barovia (...)

Low-level combat - no, that's not a negative, no matter how hard big numbers and buildfag spreadsheets make you. Go be a munchkin somewhere else.

Solasta did low level D&D way better IMO. You play as a group of adventures that meet in a tavern, the game don't start with a mindflayer spelljammer ship fighting a draconic army BTW, not even Karsus a lv 42 wizard arcanist had a dragon army in his city. There are a lot of good low level D&D CRPG's. The first eye of the beholder has a lv cap = 10. Dark Sun : Shattered Lands, lv cap = 9(the second game has a lv cap = 15), Temple of elemental Evil has a lv cap of 10.

Not going to get Wizards of the Coast to switch back to 2E anytime soon though.

I know. As I've said in other page. Modders will mod the game to be more in line with 3E/2E and when it happens, the game will be much better.

 

[Efe]

There is no furry sex scene. Did you actually play the game or are you parroting others?
You will never be "right" about BG3, attacking another game you think meredoth likes.

I'm not expecting you to be a man of logic and great discussion but come on, You only make BG3 look bad with this display.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

I don't love WoTR. In fact, I criticized it a lot. Said that the demon mythic path is awful and pointless. Said that getting mythic powers fells like an Deus Ex Machina from nothing, that some spells are bugged, that the writting is bad in many parts and what makes regill interesting is that he realizes that many parts of the plot makes no sense. criticized that they thread egalitarianism as good(...)

Could have fooled me from the amount you've gushed over it in the past.

27 hours on record

And yet you didn't know that Astarion wasn't a Vampire, but a Vampire Spawn.

Is not movie influenced. Is how vampires are depicted in slavic folklore, in Bram Stoker, in D&D Ravenloft - Barovia (...)

Again, a Vampire Spawn isn't a True Vampire. They can in theory become one, but you don't get a cape and a castle just because some blood sucker made a meal of you one day.

Get over it, just like you miraculously got over it playing a Dhampir in WotT.

Solasta did low level D&D way better IMO. You play as a group of adventures that meet in a tavern

Works for a small time dev studio. Not for a AAA game with a AAA budget that needs to actually draw people into the story.

Modders will mod the game to be more in line with 3E/2E and when it happens, the game will be much better.

"Mods will fix it" has rarely worked. Not unless you like broken mods made by severely autistic drama queens who leave the game less playable and less enjoyable.

That said, if they did bring us back to even D&D 2.5, I would be even more positive about it than I already am.

 

[Kleptocratic debt serf]

What are the odds that BG3 is going to be just like D:OS, given Larian's design/EA approach? That the early part of the game will be well polished and put together, but will be weaker in the later acts?

Hey, if they ended up ruining the mid or late game, you would probably be able to come here and read my posts complaining about it once I played through it. (If there aren't pages of WotT fanboys spamming it still, that is.)

But as it stands in the real present, and not the imaginary future, they've got a really solid showcase that's the size and complexity of full games like ToEE.

I was worried the game would be DoS as well. If you look at the pre-alpha teasers for how they were going to do dialog, I thought it would be pure decline. I even posted multiple times in the pre-EA thread saying it would be crap.

But now that I've played EA, I can say I was wrong. It's actually surprisingly fantastic. I don't know if they brought on additional writers or what, but the quality and design philosophy of this game is astonishing. Maybe Troika level or better in some ways.

Take Shadowheart - people hated her. (I liked her, but whatever.) So, rather than just rewrite her character, they added an option to be able to save her at the start. This changes her initial reaction to you so she's not a bitch by default that you have to win over.

That's how you should treat a character. Like they're a living, breathing person that needs to be influenced. I truly doubt most other game writers do that. I was beyond impressed. I have no idea what changed on Larian's writing team since starting this game, but it's been a very positive change.

I was just giving you a hard time... I always have reservations, about all games really, since I just don't have a lot of time to commit to playing them these days and would prefer to enjoy the ones I do play. That said, I agree with you, I haven't played the beta since a couple patches back, but I liked what I saw. I'd load it back up if they either add another level or throw in barbarians. I'd say overall the potential is definitely there. It bodes well that people are fired up about a game this is a yr+ into it's EA.

Do the WotR fans really come into this thread to bitch? I have the game but have yet to install it since I was told it was a buggy mess and I can more than wait to try it later.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Do the WotR fans really come into this thread to bitch? I have the game but have yet to install it since I was told it was a buggy mess and I can more than wait to try it later.

Yeah. It's been a constant thing for a while now. First it was just two guys whining that it wasn't going to be in the Infinity Engine and that you weren't starting as a farmer. Now it's the WotT fans getting some kind of weird ego trip out of it, as if they can somehow vicariously succeed if Owlcat "wins" or whatever.

Oh, and as for WotT, it's bad. I wanted to like it, I really did, but I couldn't finish it. And that's from someone who suffered through the entirety of NWN2 at least twice.

The tutorial is ok before you start seeing how gay all the characters are, but some kind of chemical is probably needed to enjoy it after that. If not hard drugs, then benzos, Ritalin or HRT.

 

[perfectslumbers]

Yeah. It's been a constant thing for a while now. First it was just two guys whining that it wasn't going to be in the Infinity Engine and that you weren't starting as a farmer. Now it's the WotT fans getting some kind of weird ego trip out of it, as if they can somehow vicariously succeed if Owlcat "wins" or whatever.

Many of Meredoth's posts in the wotr thread were things he disliked about the game, probably a solid 50% of his posts were complaining about improperly implemented ice spells. And he has played bg3 and is clearly criticising it in good faith. It's simply ignorant to label him as just a wotr fan needlessly hating on bg3.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

probably a solid 50% of his posts were complaining about improperly implemented ice spells

I'll just trust your calculation of that instead of my own eyeballs then.

And he has played bg3 and is clearly criticising it in good faith.

And yet he doesn't know the first thing about the character he spends every other post whining about.

How am I supposed to know that someone that ignorant of the game actually played it and just didn't pay attention?

It's simply ignorant to label him as just a wotr fan needlessly hating on bg3.

Oh how ignorant of me not to keep up with the latest Meredoth posts, or to keep that 50% tally of his supposed complaints about a game he was gushing relentlessly over when it first came out.

Unlike you, I don't read the thread of a game I don't play or enjoy. So keep circle jerking over it or don't. But when you come here with the same (actually ignorant) spam over and over, you're going to get called on it, whether you've played it or not.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Yeah. It's been a constant thing for a while now. First it was just two guys whining that it wasn't going to be in the Infinity Engine and that you weren't starting as a farmer. Now it's the WotT fans getting some kind of weird ego trip out of it, as if they can somehow vicariously succeed if Owlcat "wins" or whatever.

Many of Meredoth's posts in the wotr thread were things he disliked about the game, probably a solid 50% of his posts were complaining about improperly implemented ice spells. And he has played bg3 and is clearly criticising it in good faith. It's simply ignorant to label him as just a wotr fan needlessly hating on bg3.

That should be improperly implemented ice spell.

The rest of the autism trifecta was complaining about how a game that only exists in his mind would be better (so I guess that actually is like what he's doing here):
- Complaining about liches don't have blood so how can they be blood necromancers - completely ruins his immersion so he had to reload an earlier save and not complete the lich transformation so he could still have blood.
- And then complaining about how the lich path should actually be a vampire path.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Oh, yeah, I remember him saying that back when I actually read the thread. But it was mostly mild criticism, not the weird vampire-fueled fixation of how Astarion is the worst Count Dracula ever. Or the tears over the mindflayer plot and intro 2.5 years later. (As if WotT doesn't have an over the top intro lol.)

 

[Cryomancer]

"Mods will fix it" has rarely worked.

Disagreed. See Spell fixes for NWN2. Community path for Gothic 3. VtMB without mods is a bugfest. Modders will find a way to make BG3 more akin to 3E.

It's simply ignorant to label him as just a wotr fan needlessly hating on bg3.

No, if you like WoTR you are a fanboy!!!! Doesn't matter if you criticized WoTR, said that prefer kingmaker over it. If you like WoTR a bit you are a WoTR fanboy!!! "but I like Dark Sun : Shattered Lands/Wake of the Ravager, ToEE, NWN1/2, IWD1/2 <<<Insert more 666 similar games>>> more than WoTR" You still a fanboy!!! That is his logic...

- Complaining about liches don't have blood so how can they be blood necromancers - completely ruins his immersion so he had to reload an earlier save and not complete the lich transformation so he could still have blood.

I said that makes no sense. That lich transformation should take out blood infusion powers. So what?

- And then complaining about how the lich path should actually be a vampire path.

Wrong. I said that would be cool if you have a undead mythic path and could chose between Lich, Mummy, Vampire and etc and that maybe I will try to mod the game. I know how to code in C#.

The rest of the autism trifecta was complaining about how a game that only exists in his mind would be better (so I guess that actually is like what he's doing here):

Wrong. I said that OwlCat should have chosen other module to adapt to CRPG. Even created a poll to see the most popular module. A opinion which other guys agree with me. Lacrymas even said that WoTR is the worst Adventure Path.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

. Lacrymas even said that WoTR is the worst Adventure Path

Want a spare shovel for that hole you're digging?

 

[mediocrepoet]

"Mods will fix it" has rarely worked.

Disagreed. See Spell fixes for NWN2. Community path for Gothic 3. VtMB without mods is a bugfest. Modders will find a way to make BG3 more akin to 3E.

It's simply ignorant to label him as just a wotr fan needlessly hating on bg3.

No, if you like WoTR you are a fanboy!!!! Doesn't matter if you criticized WoTR, said that prefer kingmaker over it. If you like WoTR a bit you are a WoTR fanboy!!! "but I like Dark Sun : Shattered Lands/Wake of the Ravager, ToEE, NWN1/2, IWD1/2 <<<Insert more 666 similar games>>> more than WoTR" You still a fanboy!!! That is his logic...

- Complaining about liches don't have blood so how can they be blood necromancers - completely ruins his immersion so he had to reload an earlier save and not complete the lich transformation so he could still have blood.

I said that makes no sense. That lich transformation should take out blood infusion powers. So what?

- And then complaining about how the lich path should actually be a vampire path.

Wrong. I said that would be cool if you have a undead mythic path and could chose between Lich, Mummy, Vampire and etc and that maybe I will try to mod the game. I know how to code in C#.

The rest of the autism trifecta was complaining about how a game that only exists in his mind would be better (so I guess that actually is like what he's doing here):

Wrong. I said that OwlCat should have chosen other module to adapt to CRPG. Even created a poll to see the most popular module. A opinion which other guys agree with me. Lacrymas even said that WoTR is the worst Adventure Path.

It's kind of like Rock 'em Sock 'em Robots. (You just wind it up and let it go.)

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

See Spell fixes for NWN2.

Lol. Nah, I have better things to do than play NWN2. I'm betting whatever 2e-like mods aren't going to make Neeshka into a better character.

No, if you like WoTR you are a fanboy!!!! Doesn't matter if you criticized WoTR, said that prefer kingmaker over it. If you like WoTR a bit you are a WoTR fanboy!!! "but I like Dark Sun : Shattered Lands/Wake of the Ravager, ToEE, NWN1/2, IWD1/2 <<<Insert more 666 similar games>>> more than WoTR" You still a fanboy!!! That is his logic...

Nope. It's the fact that you excuse far worse examples of what you whine about in BG3 in *WotT. That's what makes you a fanboy.

Giving occasional mild criticism of Owlcrap doesn't make all your other posts disappear.

I said that makes no sense. That lich transformation should take out blood infusion powers. So what?

It's actually a good point, but I think the semi-autistic obsession with vampires is what he's talking about in general.

I said that would be cool if you have a undead mythic path and could chose between Lich, Mummy, Vampire and etc and that maybe I will try to mod the game.

You can basically become a vampire if you just don't take a mythic path, right? A Dhampir mage/sorcerer with the absurd high-level munchkin powers in the game is already beyond most normal vampires. Especially since you don't have weakness to sunlight.

I know how to code in C#.

And what about trains? Do you know about them? Or possibly vampire trains?

 

[GhostCow]

Respecing is cancer and doesn't belong in any proper RPG.

*Except companions when they first join, because fuck dealing with the dev's subpar build choices.

a companion's class/skills/abilities/whatever are part of their character

one of the few things I liked about deadfiya was that it let you pick from a handful of fitting classes/subclasses, but even then it sometimes went too far(e.g., Eder as a rogue)

All of the characters in WotR are shit though. Why wouldn't I want to respec the Paladindu to no longer be a dindu? Respec mod is the only thing that makes wotr somewhat tolerable and even then I still couldn't force myself to finish it.

 

[perfectslumbers]

You can basically become a vampire if you just don't take a mythic path, right? A Dhampir mage/sorcerer with the absurd high-level munchkin powers in the game is already beyond most normal vampires. Especially since you don't have weakness to sunlight.

You have to take a mythic path unfortunately, wotr has very little room to roleplay anything outside of the mythic paths archetypes, there's no place for creativity unless you explicitly ignore much of the games story and events.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

You have to take a mythic path unfortunately

Oof. I thought it was optional. Plot on rails strikes again.

 

[mediocrepoet]

You have to take a mythic path unfortunately

Oof. I thought it was optional. Plot on rails strikes again.

At best, you can late game choose Legend and turn your back on the whole thing. Otherwise (and beforehand) you're locked into one of them.