Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Early Access Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Anonymous Wife Scholar]

The question is if they have everything riding on Baldur's Gate III? Or do we think they are working on other projects, too?

They did cancellation anon Expedition Divinity strategy nonsense game anon for BG3 anon! They did!

 

[Abu Antar]

Yeah, I know that it was cancelled, but that was two years ago.

If Baldur's Gate III does not meet their expectations, I wonder if they have to close down some branches. They have many studios. The question is if they are just relying on this being a mega hit, or if there's something unannounced.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

The question is if they are just relying on this being a mega hit

It's already one of the best-selling games on Steam and it hasn't released.

 

[Heinrich]

Yeah, I know that it was cancelled, but that was two years ago.

If Baldur's Gate III does not meet their expectations, I wonder if they have to close down some branches. They have many studios. The question is if they are just relying on this being a mega hit, or if there's something unannounced.

They almost certainly made more from early access sales than development costs in the same time-span.

 

[Alienman]

Yeah, I know that it was cancelled, but that was two years ago.

If Baldur's Gate III does not meet their expectations, I wonder if they have to close down some branches. They have many studios. The question is if they are just relying on this being a mega hit, or if there's something unannounced.

Just sell some more shares to Tencent.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Is this another episode of "the codex pretends DOS2 wasn't one of the best selling games in recent years because it confirms their bias"?

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Is this another episode of "the codex pretends DOS2 wasn't one of the best selling games in recent years because it confirms their bias"?

Sure, but is that revenue enough to carry the expenses of making this game?

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Is this another episode of "the codex pretends DOS2 wasn't one of the best selling games in recent years because it confirms their bias"?

Sure, but is that revenue enough to carry the expenses of making this game?

If it wasn't, the sales from the early access of BG3 were.
https://store.steampowered.com/sale/BestOf2020

 

[Pink Eye]

Is this another episode of "the codex pretends DOS2 wasn't one of the best selling games in recent years because it confirms their bias"?

Sure, but is that revenue enough to carry the expenses of making this game?

If it wasn't, the sales from the early access of BG3 were.
https://store.steampowered.com/sale/BestOf2020

That is insane how Skyrim is *still* selling after all of these years. You'd think everyone would have played the damned thing by now.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Is this another episode of "the codex pretends DOS2 wasn't one of the best selling games in recent years because it confirms their bias"?

Sure, but is that revenue enough to carry the expenses of making this game?

If it wasn't, the sales from the early access of BG3 were.
https://store.steampowered.com/sale/BestOf2020

That is insane how Skyrim is *still* selling after all of these years. You'd think everyone would have played the damned thing by now.

The amount of gamers isn't static, it's constantly growing and at an increasing rate.
It's why games like Witcher 3 continue to have insane sales years after release.

The fact that certain older games continue to sell well just means there aren't newer replacements for their niche.

 

[Larianshill]

While I trust the based Swen, I am a bit scared of all the Dragon Age fangirls that seem to be flocking to BG3 like a flock of ravenous vultures, who picked clean one series and shat all over it, and have now moved on to another. You know, the fangirls that Astarion seems to have been specifically made for. Just look at this.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

While I trust the based Swen, I am a bit scared of all the Dragon Age fangirls that seem to be flocking to BG3 like a flock of ravenous vultures, who picked clean one series and shat all over it, and have now moved on to another. You know, the fangirls that Astarion seems to have been specifically made for. Just look at this.

They already said in one of the updates that the analytics they receive doesn't correlate at all with the vocal fanbase/memes. Which would suggest they aren't relying on a vocal minority when designing the game.

 

[Larianshill]

I don't know, I've seen panels from Hell. They're definitely pandering to them at least there.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

While I trust the based Swen, I am a bit scared of all the Dragon Age fangirls that seem to be flocking to BG3 like a flock of ravenous vultures, who picked clean one series and shat all over it, and have now moved on to another. You know, the fangirls that Astarion seems to have been specifically made for. Just look at this.

SANITY LOSS WARNING

 

[plem]

n 5e RAW ability checks actually shouldn't get autofail/succeed on a nat 1/20, just saving throws and attack rolls
I don't know if Larian changed that intentionally or if it's a bug

I think they are using the following optional rule:

Critical Success or Failure, DMG pg 242

Rolling a 20 or a 1 on an ability check or a saving throw doesn't normally have any special effect. However, you can choose to take such an exceptional roll into account when adjudicating the outcome. It's up to you to determine how this manifests in the game. An easy approach is to increase the impact of the success or failure. [...]

"increase the impact of a success or failure" =/= make a failure into a success or a success into a failure
if I roll a 1 but still succeed with my modifiers, that's still a success even applying this optional rule and the same holds for rolling a 20 but a success being impossible with my modifiers
usually this "increased impact" is just a flashier success or more dramatic failure

 

[rusty_shackleford]

n 5e RAW ability checks actually shouldn't get autofail/succeed on a nat 1/20, just saving throws and attack rolls
I don't know if Larian changed that intentionally or if it's a bug

I think they are using the following optional rule:

Critical Success or Failure, DMG pg 242

Rolling a 20 or a 1 on an ability check or a saving throw doesn't normally have any special effect. However, you can choose to take such an exceptional roll into account when adjudicating the outcome. It's up to you to determine how this manifests in the game. An easy approach is to increase the impact of the success or failure. [...]

"increase the impact of a success or failure" =/= make a failure into a success or a success into a failure
if I roll a 1 but still succeed with my modifiers, that's still a success even applying this optional rule and the same holds for rolling a 20 but a success being impossible with my modifiers
usually this "increased impact" is just a flashier success or more dramatic failure

However, you can choose to take such an exceptional roll into account when adjudicating the outcome. It's up to you to determine how this manifests in the game

 

[Delterius]

While I trust the based Swen, I am a bit scared of all the Dragon Age fangirls that seem to be flocking to BG3 like a flock of ravenous vultures, who picked clean one series and shat all over it, and have now moved on to another. You know, the fangirls that Astarion seems to have been specifically made for. Just look at this.

well this post just humiliated the Tali Sweat Meme

well done weird person on the internet. congratulations. good job. i'm proud of you.

i hate larian because content is king and their writing is bad

Saint Christopher 'Wolfsbane' Avellone once said that the most important thing an RPG can do is suck off the player

well, I just remembered that Baldur's Gate 3 the first game where the played can be literally masturbated inside their player character's mind palace

so i'd like to walk back that statement. larian is the future of rpg gaming.

some people thought i was joking

baldur's gate 3 is the spiritual successor to the spiritual successor of baldur's gate and it shows.

larian is the future. Owlcat tried to compete by writing every fetish under the sun into their epic RPG adventure. but at the end of the day the russians lack the je ne sais quois that only the unholy fusion of france and netherlands could create.

 

[Harthwain]

"increase the impact of a success or failure" =/= make a failure into a success or a success into a failure
if I roll a 1 but still succeed with my modifiers, that's still a success even applying this optional rule and the same holds for rolling a 20 but a success being impossible with my modifiers
usually this "increased impact" is just a flashier success or more dramatic failure

"Increase the impact of a success or failure" -> You not only not succeed, something bad also happens when you roll a 1. Because it is not just a failure: it's a CRITICAL failure (as it literally says on the tin: "Critical Success or Failure". And, yes, a critical failure is still a failure, not a "success after applying modifiers".

 

[Spectacle]

"increase the impact of a success or failure" =/= make a failure into a success or a success into a failure
if I roll a 1 but still succeed with my modifiers, that's still a success even applying this optional rule and the same holds for rolling a 20 but a success being impossible with my modifiers
usually this "increased impact" is just a flashier success or more dramatic failure

"Increase the impact of a success or failure" -> You not only not succeed, something bad also happens when you roll a 1. Because it is not just a failure: it's a CRITICAL failure (as it literally says on the tin: "Critical Success or Failure". And, yes, a critical failure is still a failure, not a "success after applying modifiers".

But rolling a 1 isn't a failure when the DC was 0, it's a success. It can't be a critical failure if it's not a failure.

If Larian has houseruled that a roll of 1 is always a failed check regardless of the DC, and calls this a "critical failure", that's a completely different rule than the optional rule suggested in the DMG.

 

[NJClaw]

While I trust the based Swen, I am a bit scared of all the Dragon Age fangirls that seem to be flocking to BG3 like a flock of ravenous vultures, who picked clean one series and shat all over it, and have now moved on to another. You know, the fangirls that Astarion seems to have been specifically made for. Just look at this.

rusty: "ahah wotr fans are degenerate ahah the shit demon"
meanwhile, literally the BG3 forums:

Spoiler

 

[rusty_shackleford]

While I trust the based Swen, I am a bit scared of all the Dragon Age fangirls that seem to be flocking to BG3 like a flock of ravenous vultures, who picked clean one series and shat all over it, and have now moved on to another. You know, the fangirls that Astarion seems to have been specifically made for. Just look at this.

rusty: "ahah wotr fans are degenerate ahah the shit demon"
meanwhile, literally the BG3 forums:

Spoiler

wotrannies seething that their game is made by devs equivalent to deviant bioware fangirls

 

[rusty_shackleford]

"increase the impact of a success or failure" =/= make a failure into a success or a success into a failure
if I roll a 1 but still succeed with my modifiers, that's still a success even applying this optional rule and the same holds for rolling a 20 but a success being impossible with my modifiers
usually this "increased impact" is just a flashier success or more dramatic failure

"Increase the impact of a success or failure" -> You not only not succeed, something bad also happens when you roll a 1. Because it is not just a failure: it's a CRITICAL failure (as it literally says on the tin: "Critical Success or Failure". And, yes, a critical failure is still a failure, not a "success after applying modifiers".

But rolling a 1 isn't a failure when the DC was 0, it's a success. It can't be a critical failure if it's not a failure.

If Larian has houseruled that a roll of 1 is always a failed check regardless of the DC, and calls this a "critical failure", that's a completely different rule than the optional rule suggested in the DMG.

how the fuck are you guys so incapable of reading holy shit

 

[Pink Eye]

woah. rusty is actually getting outretarded. i approve!

 

[Harthwain]

If Larian has houseruled that a roll of 1 is always a failed check regardless of the DC, and calls this a "critical failure", that's a completely different rule than the optional rule suggested in the DMG.

Everywhere where a critical failure is used you fail on a roll of 1 regardless of modifiers, so it's not just Larian "calling this a critical failure" - this is literally how it works in the dice rolling world. The only extra thing DnD does in this regard is adding some penalty on top of failing the action itself (like breaking the lockpick when trying to pick the lock).

 

[Spectacle]

If Larian has houseruled that a roll of 1 is always a failed check regardless of the DC, and calls this a "critical failure", that's a completely different rule than the optional rule suggested in the DMG.

Everywhere where a critical failure is used you fail on a roll of 1 regardless of modifiers, so it's not just Larian "calling this a critical failure" - this is literally how it works in the dice rolling world. The only extra thing DnD does in this regard is adding some penalty on top of failing the action itself (like breaking the lockpick when trying to pick the lock).

You're going to have to read the DMG again, because that's not what the rule says. What the "dice rolling world" does isn't important, only what the actual rule text is.