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[rusty_shackleford]

Nah, it works just as well for blunt weapons. In order to deal real damage against a target with armor you'd need a focused, well placed hit. A weak or superficial strike will only result in cosmetic damage to armor. Not so for an unarmored opponent, where even a glancing blow will tear skin, bruise, break bones and joints. Maces are short, front loaded and slow weapons. Unless your opponent is waiting for you in T-position, landing a solid hit is not a trivial task at all. Doubly so if you're trying to not have your head chopped off in the process.

Yes, I forgot people perform gymnastics in full plate armor and dodge blows.
The mental gymnastics used to defend a system designed for ship combat is fucking astounding.

 

[Thonius]

Oh yeah plate armor is bad and you're not mobile in it at all meme... There is such thing as footwork mate, it's not matrix dodge but even sidestep can make opponent blow just graze or miss you.

 

[Cael]

The actual effect of armor on a fight is a lot more complex than simple damage reduction. Most hits on a body part protected by armor will do no damage at all. This makes it harder for the attacker; there's no point in striking a location where your hit won't have any effect, so you hold back until there's an opening that lets you strike a vulnerable spot. This makes you less likely to hit your opponent in a given amount of time.
For the armored character it's the opposite. He has fewer vulnerable points to defend so can spend less effort on defense and thus focus more on offense, and he can also get away with using offensive maneuvers that would leave an unarmored character extremely vulnerable to a counterattack but that he doesn't have to worry about since he's only exposing body parts that are protected by armor.

You could of course make a CRPG that fully simulates the effect armor has on melee combat, but simply having dodge/parry chances based on skill and DEX + damage reduction form armor is probably less realistic than AC reducing the chance to be hit.

There's a reason swords are a meme weapon, your situation does nothing to represent someone in armor getting smacked with a mace.

A rounded head is likely to bounce off. That is why most maces have flanges or spikes. It focuses the power of the blow in order to pierce the armour. It is also the reason behind warhammers having pointed heads.

 

[Cael]

Oh yeah plate armor is bad and you're not mobile in it at all meme... There is such thing as footwork mate, it's not matrix dodge but even sidestep can make opponent blow just graze or miss you.

Plate armour weighs about as much as a modern soldier's harness. 40-60 lb. Given that modern soldiers can run in the damned things, it is an old and tired myth that plate armoured knights are like turtles on their back.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Oh yeah plate armor is bad and you're not mobile in it at all meme... There is such thing as footwork mate, it's not matrix dodge but even sidestep can make opponent blow just graze or miss you.

Plate armour weighs about as much as a modern soldier's harness. 40-60 lb. Given that modern soldiers can run in the damned things, it is an old and tired myth that plate armoured knights are like turtles on their back.

https://www.livescience.com/15128-armor-drained-medieval-knight-energy.html

A new study that put armor-wearing volunteers on treadmills finds that wearing a full suit of armor (which might weigh up to 110 pounds, or 50 kilograms), takes more than twice the energy of walking around unencumbered. Even lugging around a backpack of equal weight is less energy-intensive than wearing armor, the study found, because wearing 17 pounds (8 kg) of steel plates on each leg requires no small amount of extra exertion.

 

[Strange Fellow]

Nah, it works just as well for blunt weapons. In order to deal real damage against a target with armor you'd need a focused, well placed hit. A weak or superficial strike will only result in cosmetic damage to armor. Not so for an unarmored opponent, where even a glancing blow will tear skin, bruise, break bones and joints. Maces are short, front loaded and slow weapons. Unless your opponent is waiting for you in T-position, landing a solid hit is not a trivial task at all. Doubly so if you're trying to not have your head chopped off in the process.

Yes, I forgot people perform gymnastics in full plate armor and dodge blows.
The mental gymnastics used to defend a system designed for ship combat is fucking astounding.

What is a Dex modifier?

 

[Parabalus]

Oh yeah plate armor is bad and you're not mobile in it at all meme... There is such thing as footwork mate, it's not matrix dodge but even sidestep can make opponent blow just graze or miss you.

Plate armour weighs about as much as a modern soldier's harness. 40-60 lb. Given that modern soldiers can run in the damned things, it is an old and tired myth that plate armoured knights are like turtles on their back.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Nah, it works just as well for blunt weapons. In order to deal real damage against a target with armor you'd need a focused, well placed hit. A weak or superficial strike will only result in cosmetic damage to armor. Not so for an unarmored opponent, where even a glancing blow will tear skin, bruise, break bones and joints. Maces are short, front loaded and slow weapons. Unless your opponent is waiting for you in T-position, landing a solid hit is not a trivial task at all. Doubly so if you're trying to not have your head chopped off in the process.

Yes, I forgot people perform gymnastics in full plate armor and dodge blows.
The mental gymnastics used to defend a system designed for ship combat is fucking astounding.

What is a Dex modifier?

Mental gymnastics uses a negative intelligence modifier.

 

[Thonius]

Swords vs armor argument... you can inverse grab your fucking sword to bash opponent with guard or pommel... there is a reason why they are robust. Almost every sword doubles as short mace/hammer. Plus things like falchion are doubled as a mace without need to use alternative grips, because they are fucking heavy.

 

[Thonius]

Oh yeah plate armor is bad and you're not mobile in it at all meme... There is such thing as footwork mate, it's not matrix dodge but even sidestep can make opponent blow just graze or miss you.

Plate armour weighs about as much as a modern soldier's harness. 40-60 lb. Given that modern soldiers can run in the damned things, it is an old and tired myth that plate armoured knights are like turtles on their back.

https://www.livescience.com/15128-armor-drained-medieval-knight-energy.html

A new study that put armor-wearing volunteers on treadmills finds that wearing a full suit of armor (which might weigh up to 110 pounds, or 50 kilograms), takes more than twice the energy of walking around unencumbered. Even lugging around a backpack of equal weight is less energy-intensive than wearing armor, the study found, because wearing 17 pounds (8 kg) of steel plates on each leg requires no small amount of extra exertion.

Wow it almost like it's a given that you need training to wear armor. And that you don't fight whole day. And you wear it for short periods of time during combat. So what's the point of this study?
That if you want to lose weight wear armor all day long?
Oh and plate armor can start up from 18 kg depending on whistles thickness etc

 

[The Bishop]

Yes, I forgot people perform gymnastics in full plate armor and dodge blows.

As a matter of fact:

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Oh yeah plate armor is bad and you're not mobile in it at all meme... There is such thing as footwork mate, it's not matrix dodge but even sidestep can make opponent blow just graze or miss you.

Plate armour weighs about as much as a modern soldier's harness. 40-60 lb. Given that modern soldiers can run in the damned things, it is an old and tired myth that plate armoured knights are like turtles on their back.

https://www.livescience.com/15128-armor-drained-medieval-knight-energy.html

A new study that put armor-wearing volunteers on treadmills finds that wearing a full suit of armor (which might weigh up to 110 pounds, or 50 kilograms), takes more than twice the energy of walking around unencumbered. Even lugging around a backpack of equal weight is less energy-intensive than wearing armor, the study found, because wearing 17 pounds (8 kg) of steel plates on each leg requires no small amount of extra exertion.

Wow it almost like it's a given that you need training to wear armor. And that you don't fight whole day. And you wear it for short periods of time during combat. So what's the point of this study?
That if you want to lose weight wear armor all day long?

Did you even read the post I responded to or are you that retarded that you think every post is a response to you personally?

 

[fantadomat]

D&D is the call of duty of tabletop RPGs, streamlined and simplified for the masses.

And yet you can't even understand it, so what does that make you?

He maybe an american retard,but i kind off agree with him. D&D is the most popular and mainstream TT game,fallowed by warhammer.

 

[Thonius]

Oh yeah plate armor is bad and you're not mobile in it at all meme... There is such thing as footwork mate, it's not matrix dodge but even sidestep can make opponent blow just graze or miss you.

Plate armour weighs about as much as a modern soldier's harness. 40-60 lb. Given that modern soldiers can run in the damned things, it is an old and tired myth that plate armoured knights are like turtles on their back.

https://www.livescience.com/15128-armor-drained-medieval-knight-energy.html

A new study that put armor-wearing volunteers on treadmills finds that wearing a full suit of armor (which might weigh up to 110 pounds, or 50 kilograms), takes more than twice the energy of walking around unencumbered. Even lugging around a backpack of equal weight is less energy-intensive than wearing armor, the study found, because wearing 17 pounds (8 kg) of steel plates on each leg requires no small amount of extra exertion.

Wow it almost like it's a given that you need training to wear armor. And that you don't fight whole day. And you wear it for short periods of time during combat. So what's the point of this study?
That if you want to lose weight wear armor all day long?

Did you even read the post I responded to or are you that retarded that you think every post is a response to you personally?

Are you retarded to think this is your PM and not a forum?

 

[The Great ThunThun*]

Oh yeah plate armor is bad and you're not mobile in it at all meme... There is such thing as footwork mate, it's not matrix dodge but even sidestep can make opponent blow just graze or miss you.

Plate armour weighs about as much as a modern soldier's harness. 40-60 lb. Given that modern soldiers can run in the damned things, it is an old and tired myth that plate armoured knights are like turtles on their back.

https://www.livescience.com/15128-armor-drained-medieval-knight-energy.html

A new study that put armor-wearing volunteers on treadmills finds that wearing a full suit of armor (which might weigh up to 110 pounds, or 50 kilograms), takes more than twice the energy of walking around unencumbered. Even lugging around a backpack of equal weight is less energy-intensive than wearing armor, the study found, because wearing 17 pounds (8 kg) of steel plates on each leg requires no small amount of extra exertion.

Jeesus.

So many misconceptions and absolutes here. First of all, armour is not magic. Plate armour doubly not magic. There is a modern stupidy about that you can do athletic stuff in it. Sure you can. For about 5 minutes. Do you know how much long battles actually last? Good. Secondly, most people can not afford full plate in medieval times. Only the elite can even in a well organized military endeavour. Most would be wearing gambeson.

Also, swords are not only sharp or pointed objects. They have weight. There are at least three well-known ways in medieval literature to apply blunt damage with them. Blunt damage is "reduced" by armour, so is cutting and piercing damage. So damage reduction is a perfectly good way to represent armour. On top of that, you can add bonuses like well fitting, lightened etc to represent a gain in mobility due to better craftsmanship. But that is of course special.

Finally, swords are not meme weapons. Swords are fucking terrible in the right hands. Especially in a organized formation, short swords are havoc due to thrusting attacks, that are fast and can be done by mass infantry. How do you think the Romans beat the Macedonian sarissas? It was Javelins and short swords.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Oh yeah plate armor is bad and you're not mobile in it at all meme... There is such thing as footwork mate, it's not matrix dodge but even sidestep can make opponent blow just graze or miss you.

Plate armour weighs about as much as a modern soldier's harness. 40-60 lb. Given that modern soldiers can run in the damned things, it is an old and tired myth that plate armoured knights are like turtles on their back.

 

[fantadomat]

Nah, it works just as well for blunt weapons. In order to deal real damage against a target with armor you'd need a focused, well placed hit. A weak or superficial strike will only result in cosmetic damage to armor. Not so for an unarmored opponent, where even a glancing blow will tear skin, bruise, break bones and joints. Maces are short, front loaded and slow weapons. Unless your opponent is waiting for you in T-position, landing a solid hit is not a trivial task at all. Doubly so if you're trying to not have your head chopped off in the process.

Yes, I forgot people perform gymnastics in full plate armor and dodge blows.
The mental gymnastics used to defend a system designed for ship combat is fucking astounding.

Ahhh you are just american,most likely you haven't even seen a plate armour in your fucking life. Stop talking about shit you know even less than the common american....aka nothing. You are just making yourself look like a hapless americantard.

40-60 lb

The fuck is that,savage??? Speak normal scientistic metrics!
Also i do agree that plate armours are/were not as heavy as most people think and flexible.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Also i do agree that plate armours are/were pretty light and flexible.

"here's a study that disagrees..."
"NOPE HERE'S A YOUTUBE VIDEO OF A GUY WEARING HALF OF A SUIT OF ARMOR XD"

 

[Cael]

40-60 lb

The fuck is that savage??? Speak normal scientistic metrics!
Also i do agree that plate armours are/were pretty light and flexible.

When speaking with Americans, you need to pander to their... shortcomings...

 

[Lutte]

Stop quoting and interacting with the amerimutt and the thread will become entertaining again.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

"heh, stupid amerimutts" types the furious european using an american invented device on american invented internet while defending an american invented RPG system

 

[Cael]

"heh, stupid amerimutts" types the furious european using an american invented device on american invented internet while defending an american invented RPG system

Actually, he used the singular, not the plural.

 

[The Bishop]

So the only thing rusty_shackleford is basing his point on is that you must literally do artistic gymnastics in armor to have any chance of avoiding a blow from a blunt weapon, and since that would be too fatiguing, people in armor just stood in one place and took all the hits. This is one of the more remarkably nonsensical positions I've read on the internet.

 

[Lutte]

When you're a fat lump of lard there isn't much you could imagine a human doing
it's like being blind and trying to imagine what sight is like

 

[Turuko]

Oh yeah plate armor is bad and you're not mobile in it at all meme... There is such thing as footwork mate, it's not matrix dodge but even sidestep can make opponent blow just graze or miss you.