Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Pre-Release Thread [EARLY ACCESS RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[fantadomat]

TB fanatics are just like sjws,a small vocal minority that tries to force everyone else in to their degenerate religion.

If RTwP proponents had more sense, they'd throw 7.62 High Calibre in the face of the TB elitist. But then the TB elitist would counter with JA2 and Silent Storm, silencing them forever.

Lilura you forget that grogs are old people,and with old people they die out and get replaced by a new generation of grogs. The grogs that snobbed over crpgs are long gone and forgotten

Long gone, but not forgotten. Else I wouldn't have remembered their charms.

But since they're gone, who are the elite, the annointed ones now?

Spoiler

This should be good.

Both systems have really good game,the problem is that TB cunts want to push their shit on to franchise that was always rtwp. And when they don't have valid argument act the same way as sjw,come up with some weird shit like comparing D&D to computer game and say that it was always meant to be tb. I don't see rtwp fans going in to fallout threads and whining how the game is not rtwp. Franchises shouldn't change genres like this shit,when fallout became fallout 3,people lost their shit. Now when BG changes genres and becomes some weird gay game with a story that nobody can remember.....well retards cheer on and screech incline.

As grogs....well the people in minority as always. People with good taste and intellect are always a niche,people that stand for what it was should stay the same.

 

[Sigourn]

1. Draw your weapon.
2. Ask him why he is your saviour.
3. Ask how he knows you needed help.
4. Ask him what he wants.

Wouldn't this be the "neutral", roleplaying-friendly approach? It sounds much more natural as opposed to a character relaying events as if they had already happened...

 

[Serus]

Jagged Alliance had an interrupt system where you could take an action during your opponent's turn (which made saving some action points useful).


I find that part to be ironic, because I remember when playing turn-based was considered less accessible approach than real time. How the tables have turned...

Yea, I remember that too. And the the fact is that you can make an "accessible" or no game of both kinds, it was always the case. Also some people confuse two thing: accessible = dumbed down and accessible = better/easier/faster controls.
But I just repeat what other have said so i'll shut up now.


Edit: Whatever you might think about the man - he has balls to make BG3 turn based. But that also have been said. I'm too late.

 

[DraQ]

One thing Larian could've done differently to troll the entire RPG audience is go with RTT system (Real Time Turns).

Basically you queue up your moves during your turn, and the enemy does the same, then you have like 5-6 second turn where everybody is moving at the same time executing commands and you as a player have no control over it. Then it's back to issuing commands again. It has both the franticness and awesome explosions of RTwP and meticulousness of a TB system. And if pretty much hated by everyone. I only saw some JRPGs trying to implement it and it's a majestic chaos. It's a shame they didn't go this route. The butthurt would be glorious and everybody would remember BG3 for years and years

It's called "phase based" and worked perfectly fine in, say, Wizardry 8.
Eliminates the need for many workarounds from TB too.

 

[Jimmious]

1. Draw your weapon.
2. Ask him why he is your saviour.
3. Ask how he knows you needed help.
4. Ask him what he wants.

Wouldn't this be the "neutral", roleplaying-friendly approach? It sounds much more natural as opposed to a character relaying events as if they had already happened...

I would prefer that too.
I think though that the intention is to behave as you would in a tabletop role-playing session. Meaning the DM tells you "that characters says bla to you" and you respond "I tell him to fuck off".
It looks weird in the game though.

 

[Quillon]

I don't know what rock you've been living under, but TB is way more popular than RTwP.

Yet you are still drawing RTwP crowd as if it was a force to be reckoned with. No one expected it to be RTwP, there were only the "its gonna be akshun gaym" crowd whom sadly I'm not able to make fun of cos they/you are most of the codex:

"Hey guys remember the time ya'all were massive idiots... umn, laugh please, maybe..." lol

And what is not popular is not necessarily better.

looool you won't find this sentence anywhere other than codex.

 

[Decado]

TB fanatics are just like sjws,a small vocal minority that tries to force everyone else in to their degenerate religion.

If RTwP proponents had more sense, they'd throw 7.62 High Calibre in the face of the TB elitist.

At first I was like who is this dangerous amazon of a woman, my heart is pounding! And then I realized you were talking about a video game.

 

[fantadomat]

I don't know what rock you've been living under, but TB is way more popular than RTwP. And what is not popular is not necessarily better.

Sure thing mate,delude yourself that. But to be honest here,both of those are pretty irrelevant compared to popularity of third person and first person rpgs.

The most commercially successful RPGs in recent years can hardly be called "RPGs." Popularity is not always indicative of quality.

But it is usually indicative of massive wads of cash.

Oh i agree. But here we are talking of a niche of people in a niche. I am saying that TB fanatics are just more loud and that delude them in to thinking that they are more,which is not true. And that could end up fucking up BG3 sales. If you cut off half of your fans for people that don't like the original games,you kind off fuck yourself up. Majority of people expect the game to be a rtwp,as cod fans expect the game to be a fps. Changing genre just because you can't do anything else but TB is retarded shit.

 

[Saravan]

More like add D:OS in the middle panel. This turn based argument is a big red herring.

via Imgflip Meme Generator

 

[RNGsus]

More like add D:OS in the middle panel. This turn based argument is a big red herring.

via Imgflip Meme Generator

That's his M.O.

Quit generating maymays.

 

[Tacgnol]

1. Draw your weapon.
2. Ask him why he is your saviour.
3. Ask how he knows you needed help.
4. Ask him what he wants.

Wouldn't this be the "neutral", roleplaying-friendly approach? It sounds much more natural as opposed to a character relaying events as if they had already happened...

I would prefer that too.
I think though that the intention is to behave as you would in a tabletop role-playing session. Meaning the DM tells you "that characters says bla to you" and you respond "I tell him to fuck off".
It looks weird in the game though.

Out of interest, how do you guys normally RP dialogue on the tabletop?

No one ever really says "I say X" in games I've been in, they just tend to respond naturally to the dialogue as though it were a natural conversation.

 

[Lady_Error]

I didn't expect that TB combat would be what upsets people so much.

For perspective, we were fully expecting an action abomination with real-time combat (no pause), just like all the other AAA "RPG's". And now TB combat is the big problem???

I like both RTwP and TB, by the way. They are similar enough and both work fine.

 

[Lacrymas]

But it's worse than 3.5 and AD&D, right? Isn't that the definition of decline? Being worse than what came before it? I'm not trying to be a pedantic asshole. I'm honestly asking.

It depends on what you mean by "worse". The problems of 5E are mostly tied to the table-top itself and can be easily fixed or are a non-issue in a video game. Like someone previously mentioned, the (sub)classes are all over the place and some of them are too weak or get lame abilities; the monsters are also too weak in general, it's almost impossible to fall in battle and even if you do there's a very small chance you'll die; the classes have no real way to differentiate themselves apart from the subclasses, but each subclass will be virtually identical to the same subclass at level 20, that's probably my biggest criticism of it and it's due to the streamlining of math. I doubt Larian are going to add many build options except multiclassing. This isn't much different from AD&D, though, or at least its implementation in the IE games. 5E is the most playable in a table-top situation, it flows smoothly enough without a lot of crunchy math taking up time.

 

[Jimmious]

Out of interest, how do you guys normally RP dialogue on the tabletop?

No one ever really says "I say X" in games I've been in, they just tend to respond naturally to the dialogue as though it were a natural conversation.

Good question, I can't really remember now. I think both happened, "I say X" only in faster dialogues and in normal ones you just talk as the character

 

[fantadomat]

1. Draw your weapon.
2. Ask him why he is your saviour.
3. Ask how he knows you needed help.
4. Ask him what he wants.

Wouldn't this be the "neutral", roleplaying-friendly approach? It sounds much more natural as opposed to a character relaying events as if they had already happened...

I would prefer that too.
I think though that the intention is to behave as you would in a tabletop role-playing session. Meaning the DM tells you "that characters says bla to you" and you respond "I tell him to fuck off".
It looks weird in the game though.

Out of interest, how do you guys normally RP dialogue on the tabletop?

No one ever really says "I say X" in games I've been in, they just tend to respond naturally to the dialogue as though it were a natural conversation.

It is not a tabletop game,it is a computer game. Why don't you guys just go and play tabletop instead of bitching about it in here? Don't we have a fucking corner for playing online such games?

 

[Infinitron]

Let's get real, no Codexer really knows whether 5E (or for that matter 4E) are really "inferior" because they've never played a CRPG that used those systems (with the exception of those few who played the Solasta demo which is no longer available). Everybody's just going off what they've heard from tabletop nerds, but since when did we give a fuck about them?

 

[FranticDistortion]

I don't know what rock you've been living under, but TB is way more popular than RTwP. And what is not popular is not necessarily better.

Sure thing mate,delude yourself that. But to be honest here,both of those are pretty irrelevant compared to popularity of third person and first person rpgs.

The most commercially successful RPGs in recent years can hardly be called "RPGs." Popularity is not always indicative of quality.

But it is usually indicative of massive wads of cash.

Oh i agree. But here we are talking of a niche of people in a niche. I am saying that TB fanatics are just more loud and that delude them in to thinking that they are more,which is not true. And that could end up fucking up BG3 sales. If you cut off half of your fans for people that don't like the original games,you kind off fuck yourself up. Majority of people expect the game to be a rtwp,as cod fans expect the game to be a fps. Changing genre just because you can't do anything else but TB is retarded shit.

Majority of people expect Larian game, not Baldur's Gates. RTwP lovers is a very minor playerbase and most of the hits of that genre got there by having good stories and characters, not gameplay. I don't think there is a room left for RTwP to evolve beyond what Owlcat's games have to offer, while with TB potential is limitless.

 

[Serus]

But it's worse than 3.5 and AD&D, right? Isn't that the definition of decline? Being worse than what came before it? I'm not trying to be a pedantic asshole. I'm honestly asking.

It depends on what you mean by "worse". The problems of 5E are mostly tied to the table-top itself and can be easily fixed or are a non-issue in a video game. Like someone previously mentioned, the (sub)classes are all over the place and some of them are too weak or get lame abilities; the monsters are also too weak in general, it's almost impossible to fall in battle and even if you do there's a very small chance you'll die; the classes have no real way to differentiate themselves apart from the subclasses, but each subclass will be virtually identical to the same subclass at level 20, that's probably my biggest criticism of it and it's due to the streamlining of math, I doubt Larian are going to add many build options except multiclassing. This isn't much different from AD&D, though, or at least its implementation in the IE games.

I didn't play 5e yet (though we plan to, already made characters) but from what you say at least the "monsters are too weak" should be fixable both in computer game and in pnp. Same with overall difficulty. On the other hand what you say about classes and lack of differences between them sounds bad.

 

[fantadomat]

I didn't expect that TB combat would be what upsets people so much.

For perspective, we were fully expecting an action abomination with real-time combat (no pause), just like all the other AAA "RPG's". And now TB combat is the big problem???

I like both RTwP and TB, by the way. They are similar enough and both work fine.

It is not about TB and RTwP,despite what TB fanatics are spewing. It is about deviation from long established traditions of a franchise with more than six games in that subgenre. You haven't seen me bitching in ATOM,Encased,Colony ship or Solasta threads about being TB,have you?


Any deviations from the traditions of old should be eradicated with fire!!!

 

[The_Mask]

Let's get real, no Codexer really knows whether 5E (or for that matter 4E) are really "inferior" because they've never played a CRPG that used those systems (with the exception of those few who played the Solasta demo which is no longer available). Everybody's just going off what they've heard from tabletop nerds, but since when did we give a fuck about them?

If you want to put it like that, then every codexer will play BG 3 regardless of whatever edgy statements they're dishing out right now to the contrary.

 

[Tacgnol]

Let's get real, no Codexer really knows whether 5E (or for that matter 4E) are really "inferior" because they've never played a CRPG that used those systems (with the exception of those few who played the Solasta demo which is no longer available). Everybody's just going off what they've heard from tabletop nerds, but since when did we give a fuck about them?

Speak for yourself, I've played 5e games.

It's a pretty boring system for people who like complex character builds and the old fashioned power curve. On the plus side, it's very easy to get people who don't normally play tabletop into.

The reduced power creep also makes it very easy for GMs to design encounters as even a pack of goblins can be dangerous to relatively high level characters.

Still, Pathfinder and 3.5 all the way.

 

[Silly Germans]

How do classes work in 5E ?
Is it a multiclassing orgy like the third edition or do you pick a class and stick to it ?

 

[Tacgnol]

How do classes work in 5E ?
Is it a multiclassing orgy like the third edition or do you pick a class and stick to it ?

You can multiclass, though it's pretty rare, at least in the 5e games I've played.

They copied the Pathfinder approach somewhat of encouraging you to put levels into a single class.

 

[Bara]

Pretty much stick with a class and go.

 

[Theodora]

Lighting the entire bow on fire is retarded, they could just as easily limited it to the arrow or the tip of the arrow.

I imagine a lot of these things will change in Early Access.

Let's get real, no Codexer really knows whether 5E (or for that matter 4E) are really "inferior" because they've never played a CRPG that used those systems (with the exception of those few who played the Solasta demo which is no longer available). Everybody's just going off what they've heard from tabletop nerds, but since when did we give a fuck about them?

They're missing out. But they'd probably start complaining about SJWs before finishing the basic rules. Which leads me to...

TB fanatics are just like sjws,a small vocal minority that tries to force everyone else in to their degenerate religion. It will be fun if the game flops.

When you compare absolutely everthing to your chosen bogeymen it really loses its impact.

Remove vampire elf fag. Seriously - i will kill this creature on sight. There is nothing to even discuss.

But he wants to give you a special kiss. Don't be a virgin.