Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Pre-Release Thread [EARLY ACCESS RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Kaivokz]

That's because traditional PC gaming was neutered by "accessible" game design.

What styles of RPG are most popular?
1. Action "RPG" (skyrim, zelda)
2. JRPG (dragon quest, final fantasy)
3. Overhead TB (fire emblem, battle brothers, D:OS, banner saga, etc.)
4. Phase Based (wizardry clones) / RTwP (PoE/PF:KM), I don't know which is less popular

There's a small gap between 2 and 3 and a large gap between 1 and 2 and between 3 and 4.

Popularity is inversely correlated to tactical complexity (assuming similar quality of encounter design, character customization, etc.). Not surprising that Larian went with overhead TB + 3D graphics + rotatable camera + MMO GFX, but it's like saying you're making Wizardry 10 and spitting out a Skyrim clone.

Was gonna comment but then noticed you seriously put fire emblem and DOS in the same category. That's just retarded.

Fire Emblem and D:OS are both tactical RPGs. They're different, but they fill a similar niche of popularity and share many gameplay elements that distinguish them from: ACTION RPG, TRADITIONAL JRPG, or RTwP. Or what, you think either fire emblem or D:OS is more popular than Dragon Quest XI? Maybe. Like I said, 2 and 3 are close, and maybe overhead TB will become more popular than the traditional TB in 202X.

Also JRPG is not a style, it's a point of origin. There's about as much variation among JRPGs as among western RPGs.

JRPG is used colloquially in reference to a style of turn-based gameplay and the two I listed should make what kind of gameplay obvious. Try to be a little less faggoty than Olivert. If you want to talk about cool experimental systems in JRPGs like SaGa, Last Remnant, or Natural Doctrine, they're probably about as popular as phase based and RTwP.

 

[Reinhardt]

If it breaks the balance that's not a solution.

There is also mods that add more monsters to encounters.

 

[Black]

Btw iirc there are mods to remove party limit for DOS games, so i bet it will be done for BG3 too.

You don't want that, inventory management is cancer even with 2 characters.

 

[Valky]

Making the entire game cutscene dialogues is massive decline, what the fuck Swen. God I hate normalfags.

 

[deuxhero]

No, it means you HAVE to give out +1 swords because otherwise a mid level character is barely more competent than a starting one and the only difference for non-casters is more HP and some class features that don't swing combat too heavily.

Even non-casters get plenty of skills each level that can and do swing the combat quite heavily.

With only a handful of exceptions, you get one thing.

Reroll a save a second time per day? That sure makes up for not being able to cast a 7th level spell!

 

[Kaivokz]

lol come on man. Isn't it the clear lesson of the past half decade in RPGs that "oldschool IE RTwP fans" are an impossible to satisfy, highly overrated niche?

People seem pretty happy with PF:KM, here on the codex and elsewhere. PoE got a lot of slack, too. Just because PoE2 sucked (I love RTwP, but I haven't played any of the DLC for PoE2) doesn't mean infinity engine fans are insatiable.

(and btw Swen deserves respect for introducing his game to the world in core rules, total-party-kill, no-companion-autoresurrection-after-combat mode)

Agreed on that point. Though he should have been as traditional in art direction. I understand why they're going 3D (even though hand drawn backgrounds make PoE1&2 a hundred times more beautiful than the divinity games); they need it for their wonky physics and environmental reactions and stuff, but they could have at least gone for hand drawn portraits and realistic animations in a BG style.

 

[Riddler]

On a completely different note... What is up with the music being so incredibly bland? Any chance this is a placeholder because if you compare BG1-2 music to that in the demo it is honestly embarrassing.

Anyone that participated in the DivOS beta that knows whether they changed the music between the start of the beta and release?

 

[Frusciante]

Do we know already whether it will have multiclassing?

 

[Black]

What is up with the music being so incredibly bland?

Kiril's gone.

 

[Valky]

What is up with the music being so incredibly bland?

Kiril's gone.

More evidence that D:OS Classic is the only new Larian game worth playing. The music was so nice in that game.

 

[Tytus]

What is up with the music being so incredibly bland?

Kiril's gone.

Kiril's death was the most tragic thing that happened to Computer Game Music Scene in years. I'm still mad about it.
R.I.P. Kiril.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Just because PoE2 sucked

Deadfire was the better PoE of the two.

I have to be the only one who never liked D:OS' music. IMO, for fantasy games, symphonyc orchestra is mandatory. But I never liked D:OS as a whole. The whole game is mostly bloat once you get past Cyseal. It's like they ran out of ideas at the end of that chapter.

 

[Alienman]

In the gameplay video, all the party members have equipped the same type of armour but each of them look as having different style of armour.
Was this shit in Divinity 2 because I can't remember?!

Yeah, been wondering about this as well. Like when he threw the boots, he never got barefooted.

 

[AwesomeButton]

But were the boots a worn item, or they were just in his inventory?

 

[Tacgnol]

I have to be the only one who never liked D:OS' music.

It was quirky and energetic, which I think worked quite well with Larian's lighthearted approach. Kiril was a talented composer.

The music in D:OS 2 just felt so generic and boring.

 

[Tytus]

And about the music it would be a dream come true if they somehow managed to bring back Michael Hoenig as a composer for BG3. His work on the original BG is still one of the better pieces of RPG scores out there.

 

[AwesomeButton]

The music in D:OS 2 just felt so generic and boring.

I liked the main theme and the Red Prince's theme, but other than that I don't remember much.

 

[Dramart]

I'm starting to get irked about the fact that everyone is calling them Mind Flayers. Even the developers.

They're called Illithid, you uncultured swines. Double L.

It's the same

 

[Alienman]

But were the boots a worn item, or they were just in his inventory?

I think it was a worn item, but have to check it again to make sure. I remember reacting to it at least.

 

[Kaivokz]

Deadfire was the better PoE of the two.

It had better mechanics and character building, but the main plotline was leagues below the first game (which is saying something) and the disjointed island theme didn't lead to a memorable world. I think if PoE2 had better story and world design, it could have been a success, because they did make a lot of great mechanical improvements.

 

[Tacgnol]

The music in D:OS 2 just felt so generic and boring.

I liked the main theme and the Red Prince's theme, but other than that I don't remember much.

Generally quite forgettable, which is never a good sign.

 

[prodigydancer]

The ongoing meltdown on the Steam BG3 forums is hilarious. /popcorn

Not sure if trolling or brain damage (although it's Steamcommunity, so probably both).

 

[Elex]

 

[Tacgnol]

I'm starting to get irked about the fact that everyone is calling them Mind Flayers. Even the developers.

They're called Illithid, you uncultured swines. Double L.

They obviously want that Stranger Things audience.

The timing of a Illithid focused D&D game is very suspect.

 

[Tytus]

I'm waiting for a mod that every time you throw boots at someone this audio clip plays.