Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Pre-Release Thread [EARLY ACCESS RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[fantadomat]

i pity the fool that defends rtwp on the codex

of all the forums on all the internets in all the world, they walk into mine

Grandpa seems angry,somebody should change his pampers.

 

[Saerain]

I'm so happy to hear the truth finally spoken that the essence of Baldur's Gate is that you can autoplay turns. Why have manual turns when you can have them play out automatically and watch the boom booms? Don't waste my zoomer time.

 

[jackofshadows]

i pity the fool that defends rtwp on the codex

of all the forums on all the internets in all the world, they walk into mine

I'm kind of a centrist here and care far more about implementation but let's see what you've got: RTwP is more convenient and *realistic* system. It can deliver feel of epic battle thanks to simultaneous action and associated effects.

In a context of DOS:3 it one of the reasons why they cut down the party size: to reduce the number of mobs therefore reduce average overall encounter's time. Which is a shame.

 

[Sweeper]

I'm so happy to hear the truth finally spoken that the essence of Baldur's Gate is that you can autoplay turns. Why have manual turns when you can have them play out automatically and watch the boom booms? Don't waste my zoomer time.

Functionally there isn't that much of a difference between TB and RTwP. In the latter you simply get to decide how long the "turn" lasts before pausing, and PCs, NPCs and enemies act in turns based on weapon speed, APR or cast times.
I'll never get hating on classics like BG 2 or other IE games just because they're RTwP. Pathfinder is the greatest CRPG since, well, the IE games. Is someone really going to argue that D:OS style games are better just because they're TB?

 

[luj1]

Good writing from modders is rare.

Swordflight

 

[Lacrymas]

Good writing from modders is rare.

Swordflight

The writing in Swordflight is its worst problem, though. It's not bad in the sense Larian's or Obsidian's is, but it lacks tension, and specifically culminations. It never goes anywhere and deflates like a loose balloon, you keep expecting something more to happen but it never does.

 

[Saerain]

I'm so happy to hear the truth finally spoken that the essence of Baldur's Gate is that you can autoplay turns. Why have manual turns when you can have them play out automatically and watch the boom booms? Don't waste my zoomer time.

Functionally there isn't that much of a difference between TB and RTwP. In the latter you simply get to decide how long the "turn" lasts before pausing, and PCs, NPCs and enemies act in turns based on weapon speed, APR or cast times.
I'll never get hating on classics like BG 2 or other IE games just because they're RTwP. Pathfinder is the greatest CRPG since, well, the IE games. Is someone really going to argue that D:OS style games are better just because they're TB?

I'm going to argue their greatness isn't thanks to having an action queue.

It's fine. It may have even been unusual at the time. But it's not "the essence" any more than the fishmalk and his hamster is.

 

[Harthwain]

Functionally there isn't that much of a difference between TB and RTwP. In the latter you simply get to decide how long the "turn" lasts before pausing, and PCs, NPCs and enemies act in turns based on weapon speed, APR or cast times.

That is not exactly true. 60 seconds of real time = 10 rounds = 1 turn.

 

[Roguey]

Swordflight

Didn't like it myself; additionally, one example doesn't disprove that it's rare.

 

[Sweeper]

I'm going to argue their greatness isn't thanks to having an action queue.

Making the whole TB vs RTwP arguments rather pointless.
Underrail isn't great because it's TB, it's great because of its mechanics and character building. The devs simply elected to play out those mechanics in TB.
D:OS doesn't suck because it's TB, it sucks cause the mechanics are simple to understand and character builds aren't much more complex either. Doubly so for D:OS 2.
Baldur's Gate 3 being TB isn't the problem, the problem is Larian is developing it.
Should have let sleeping dogs lie. It's Fallout 3 all over again.

That is not exactly true. 60 seconds of real time = 10 rounds = 1 turn.

The differences between TB and RTwP get smaller and less significant with each post.
I think outspoken TB enthusiasts just hate pausing the game and reacting to shit that happens.
If so, fair enough, but then just say so.

 

[The_Mask]

If RTwP vs TB feels like The Blood War, then this thread is starting to look like The Gray Waste.

Spoiler

HADES TRAITS

Entrapping: This is a special trait unique to Hades [...]. A nonoutsider in Hades experiences increasing apathy and despair while there. Colors become grayer and less vivid, sounds duller, and even the demeanor of companions seems to be more hateful.

At the conclusion of every week spent in Hades, any nonoutsider must make a will saving throw (DC 10 + the number of consecutive weeks in Hades).

Failure indicates that the individual has fallen entirely under the control of the plane, becoming a petitioner of Hades. Travelers entrapped by the inherent evil of Hades cannot leave the plane of their own volition and have no desire to do so. Memories of any previous life fade into nothingness, and it takes a wish or miracle spell to return such characters to normal.

 

[fantadomat]

Good writing from modders is rare.

Swordflight

The writing in Swordflight is its worst problem, though. It's not bad in the sense Larian's or Obsidian's is, but it lacks tension, and specifically culminations. It never goes anywhere and deflates like a loose balloon, you keep expecting something more to happen but it never does.

The nwn module that beamdog is selling,they tyrant of something,has a good writing,tho the rest is pretty garbage for now.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Only good module storywise in the NWN franchise is MotB. Enough said.

 

[fantadomat]

Only good module storywise in the NWN franchise is MotB. Enough said.

Not really,it is highly overrated on the codex,but i am not big fan of it. It has some good ideas and a chat with a god,but the rest is not really that good,in my book.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Only good module storywise in the NWN franchise is MotB. Enough said.

Not really,it is highly overrated on the codex,but i am not big fan of it. It has some good ideas and a chat with a god,but the rest is not really that good,in my book.

It might be overrated, but all the other official modules are just more of the same campy adventure fantasy story.

 

[fantadomat]

Only good module storywise in the NWN franchise is MotB. Enough said.

Not really,it is highly overrated on the codex,but i am not big fan of it. It has some good ideas and a chat with a god,but the rest is not really that good,in my book.

It might be overrated, but all the other official modules are just more of the same campy adventure fantasy story.

Yeah because eating spirits and talking with gods is not . Now BG1 does have pretty good story,it is a market fixing scheme and makes it more grounded up and realistic. Any high level campaign end up being a pretentious garbage. The tyrant of something,the module that i am playing has some pretty good writing,really digging the companions and how well they are written,but the rest is cringe worthy garbage. You are running around and defending fishing villages from archdemons and adult dragons lol it is retarded beyond believe. The game should have been from say level 3 upward,not a level 15+ retardation.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Y'know, that could actually resolve the main issue storyfags have with L*rian's BG3.

Good writing from modders is rare.

Enderal is better written than most RPGs

 

[fantadomat]

Y'know, that could actually resolve the main issue storyfags have with L*rian's BG3.

Good writing from modders is rare.

Enderal is better written than most RPGs

Fuck yeah,it is great game. Shame that they have that many pointless dungeons. More side quests would have been great. Also check out spellforce 3,i believe that the writer is the same dude,and the game does have one of the best writings i have seen in the last decade.

 

[Dramart]

After years of playing good games and shit games, if you're smart enough, you'll be able to get how deep a good TB combat engine is and how shallow are the RTwP trash combat (although there is some baby "strategy" inside somewhere).

Explain its deepness and why it's better compared to RTwP, and also why RTwP is trash and what what is that good baby "strategy".

 

[Lacrymas]

Explain its deepness and why it's better compared to RTwP, and also why RTwP is trash and what what is that good baby "strategy".

You can start here. If there are more questions, the search function is always open for more.

 

[Nano]

As a TB fag, I have no problem saying DOS combat and its system sucks, but I haven't seen anyone here defending that system. Takes a really "special" kind of person to be tilting at windmills.

What are you on about? D:OS was the Codex GOTY in 2014, of course people here like the combat system.

 

[BarbequeMasta]

In a context of DOS:3 it one of the reasons why they cut down the party size: to reduce the number of mobs therefore reduce average overall encounter's time. Which is a shame.

Yeah no matter what people say about pausing, TB takes significatly more time to get through similar encounters than RTWP. Take kingmaker TB mode for example, it's cool and works pretty well minus the (inmy opinion) unclear UI, BUT going through the entire game with it took me almost twice as much as my average RTWP playthrough on harder difficulties.
TB can implement functions like skip enemy turn etc to reduce that but it's obviously not an optimal solution0

 

[rusty_shackleford]

In a context of DOS:3 it one of the reasons why they cut down the party size: to reduce the number of mobs therefore reduce average overall encounter's time. Which is a shame.

Yeah no matter what people say about pausing, TB takes significatly more time to get through similar encounters than RTWP. Take kingmaker TB mode for example, it's cool and works pretty well minus the (inmy opinion) unclear UI, BUT going through the entire game with it took me almost twice as much as my average RTWP playthrough on harder difficulties.
TB can implement functions like skip enemy turn etc to reduce that but it's obviously not an optimal solution0

Almost as if turn-based games focus more on meaningful fights and RTwP just throw trash fights everywhere.

 

[Quillon]

As a TB fag, I have no problem saying DOS combat and its system sucks, but I haven't seen anyone here defending that system. Takes a really "special" kind of person to be tilting at windmills.

What are you on about? D:OS was the Codex GOTY in 2014, of course people here like the combat system.

Dude, don't you know that TB is a very deep strategic and bla bla system but only in the veeeery prestigious games that no one plays? that TB in mainstream sucks just like anything else? that "turn-based lovers" even ashamed to admit they like DOS'/nu-X-com's gameplay while they are jumping with joy waiting for Larian's AAA TB BG3? That they can't even sleep with this inherent butthurt for the fear of losing codex street cred if they came out clean? Don't you know that Michael Jackson is dead!?

 

[BarbequeMasta]

In a context of DOS:3 it one of the reasons why they cut down the party size: to reduce the number of mobs therefore reduce average overall encounter's time. Which is a shame.

Yeah no matter what people say about pausing, TB takes significatly more time to get through similar encounters than RTWP. Take kingmaker TB mode for example, it's cool and works pretty well minus the (inmy opinion) unclear UI, BUT going through the entire game with it took me almost twice as much as my average RTWP playthrough on harder difficulties.
TB can implement functions like skip enemy turn etc to reduce that but it's obviously not an optimal solution0

Almost as if turn-based games focus more on meaningful fights and RTwP just throw trash fights everywhere.

Considering Larian are making this garbage, there will be 1 or 2 decent fights in the entire game at most, and am being pretty generous here.