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[RangerOne]

Either git quick enough for pure real-time or git smart enough for turn-based. Preferring rtwp means you're both dumb and slow.

> "If you have a PhD in physics, or are at least particularly smart, or are an Olympic gymnast, then you obviously prefer <insert preferred combat mode here>."

I get that some prefer one system over the other, which is perfectly fine, but this ridiculous rivalry is peak idiocy. The assumption that you have to be a brilliant mind to even enjoy certain video games is absurd too. "I prefer turn-based/RTwP, because I am exceptionally smart and skilled" sounds like the Dunning–Kruger effect is in action.

Turn-based is more accessible due to its nature, and that would be the only major difference. Stephen Hawking would have been able to play a turn-based CRPG (or even tabletop DnD), but a RTwP or real time game would have been completely out of the question. Turn-based does require less hand-eye coordination, but that obviously doesn't mean that turn-based is easier, inferior or requires substantially less skill to play. A chess grandmaster is probably smarter and more agile than all of the imbeciles and basement dwellers on the Codex alltogether.

 

[Stella Brando]

I know how we can beat these Tina Turn-ers, lads.

Just post really fast* - they will still be waiting for their turn to come up.


*Pausing if you have to.

 

[Riddler]

Either git quick enough for pure real-time or git smart enough for turn-based.
Preferring rtwp means you're both dumb and slow.

The implication that you have to be smart for TB... TB without very strict time limits is piss easy, even for the moderately retarded.

The same of course goes for RTwP without pause limits but at least the turns are simultaneous.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Stephen Hawking would have been able to play a turn-based CRPG (or even tabletop DnD), but a RTwP or real time game would have been completely out of the question

Real time would be hard, RTwP would not.

 

[Darth Canoli]

RTwP is more similar to turn-based, in both you have all the time in the world to think. RTS are harder because you have to think fast and the harder the opponent the better decisions you have to make. The hardest, of the three types. If RTwP is for dumb and slow, Turn-based is also.

The fact is you have a higher tolerance for RTwP when you're younger, i know i used to.
And you think "itz bekuz ioure guwd" as the young-tard you are.

Truth is you have a higher tolerance for bullshit, junkfood and everything the world throws at you because it's all new, it's the new fad and why not ? You don't know better.
After years of playing good games and shit games, if you're smart enough, you'll be able to get how deep a good TB combat engine is and how shallow are the RTwP trash combat (although there is some baby "strategy" inside somewhere).

Back to the "now", you're still a young-tard, it might take you years to get all that if you ever do, maybe you're not as smart as you think your are, you probably are not ...

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Either git quick enough for pure real-time or git smart enough for turn-based.
Preferring rtwp means you're both dumb and slow.

The implication that you have to be smart for TB... TB without very strict time limits is piss easy, even for the moderately retarded.

The same of course goes for RTwP without pause limits but at least the turns are simultaneous.

I have a feeling this meme came from people who saw chess clocks but don't understand their purpose.
The entire point of chess clocks is to prevent chess games from dragging on because they have to fit a lot of games into a small period of time. Other than speed chess(and similar) the timer isn't as important.

 

[NJClaw]

The entire Turn-Based vs Real Time with Pause argument is outdated. The TB mod for Kingmaker gave us a taste of the objectively superior system: Turn-Based with Pause.

 

[Lacrymas]

I love it how the Codex created this TB vs RTwP rivalry ex nihilo when it was largely a non-issue.

This debate has raged since at least the BGs came out, there are threads about it on 'Dex from 2002.

 

[BarbequeMasta]

Either git quick enough for pure real-time or git smart enough for turn-based.
Preferring rtwp means you're both dumb and slow.

There is nothing inherently smart about TB, it just means you have 80 years old reaction time. Larian games are a the biggest proof of that.

 

[Lacrymas]

Except the TB vs RTwP debate is not about speed, so this is hilariously irrelevant. Like I've said multiple times before, TB is faster, just play a Roguelike.

 

[Stella Brando]

Are we sure that the monsters we are seeing are genuine Mind Flayers?

For all we know, they could be off-brand Brain Slayers.

Brain Slayers are like the fart bag to the Mind Slayer's whoopee cushion.

 

[Black]

There is nothing inherently smart about TB

But there is something inherently dumb about rtwp.

 

[vortex]

Anti-RTwP propaganda has been spread like a plague within couple of pages.

 

[Harthwain]

Either git quick enough for pure real-time or git smart enough for turn-based.
Preferring rtwp means you're both dumb and slow.

There is nothing inherently smart about TB, it just means you have 80 years old reaction time. Larian games are a the biggest proof of that.

Yeah, because real-time-with-a-fucking-pause is so much faster than turn-based... Aren't some of you confusing RTwP with RTS (or any real-time genre without a pause feature)? Maybe play some of them first to have a clue what you're talking about?

 

[Black]

Anti-RTwP propaganda has been spread like a plague within couple of pages.

History is written by the winners. And turn-based won. It's over.

 

[vortex]

History is written by the winners. And turn-based won. It's over.

... but evolution of cRPGs has sided with RTwP.

 

[Stella Brando]

All the best things in life are on the 'wrong side' of history.

 

[fantadomat]

Stephen Hawking would have been able to play a turn-based CRPG (or even tabletop DnD), but a RTwP or real time game would have been completely out of the question

Real time would be hard, RTwP would not.

Have you seen that actor??? By the time he would have hit the pause,three fights would have ended lol.

 

[fantadomat]

There is nothing inherently smart about TB

But there is something inherently dumb about rtwp.

Yes......the people that hate it .

 

[fantadomat]

Anti-RTwP propaganda has been spread like a plague within couple of pages.

History is written by the winners. And turn-based won. It's over.

Yeah,it won at the lottery of irrelevance.

 

[passerby]

The fact is you have a higher tolerance for RTwP when you're younger, i know i used to. And you think "itz bekuz ioure guwd" as the young-tard you are.

Truth is you have a higher tolerance for bullshit, junkfood and everything the world throws at you because it's all new, it's the new fad and why not ? You don't know better.
After years of playing good games and shit games, if you're smart enough, you'll be able to get how deep a good TB combat engine is and how shallow are the RTwP trash combat (although there is some baby "strategy" inside somewhere).

Back to the "now", you're still a young-tard, it might take you years to get all that if you ever do, maybe you're not as smart as you think your are, you probably are not ...

I agree, TB is perfect for senile old people.

 

[Elex]

There is no TB vs rtwp argument.

There are only desperate delusional retarded butthurt people.

This is the truth no argument at all.

I mean we know since the announcement about Larian that the game was 5e, TB and 3D with a new version of Dos engine.

the only real question was how close to pen and paper game bg3 will be.

 

[Elex]

History is written by the winners. And turn-based won. It's over.

... but evolution of cRPGs has sided with RTwP.

The evolution that almost killed the entire genre yes.

 

[jaydee2k]

There's a space for both. Either can be used in appropriate ways. This drama bashing is laughable and for a "rpgharcorefag" forum not worthy.

 

[Lacrymas]

How has the "evolution of CRPGs sided with RTwP"? RTwP is a weird compromise for strange fetishists, TB is both better and more popular. Sometimes, the more popular thing is simply better (not due to its popularity, don't be an ass).