Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Pre-Release Thread [EARLY ACCESS RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Lacrymas]

A single 7th lvl spell is already too much, let alone a 9th lvl one. I'd say by the 5th spell circle you already have all the tools you'll ever need in a campaign, and you are already ridiculously powerful and more versatile than all martials, 6th circle is gravy on top and a reward for not multiclassing.

Wizards has worse hit dice, no weapon proficiency(...) You keep comparing then to marial, not trying to make martial better, but making casters worse..

"already have all the tools you'll ever need in a campaign"

In what campaign? You are thinking that fighting bandits on Faerun is every campaign and is not. Elemental planes, abyss, shadowfell, fey world, underdark(...) there are a lot of powerful enemies on that settings. Disagree? Pick NWN1, and try to defeat Vix'thra using only spells from tier 1 to 6. Note that NWN1 is 3.5e, which has way more powerful spells than 5e. If after 666 reloads, you managed to do that, try face mephistopheles on end of act 3 of hotu expansion with spells up to tier 6. Even on base campaign, try to face the final boss without using high tier magic. Try do that. Try not use high tier magic in a game with far stronger magic than 5e.

I have the impression that "nerf A" crowd never played "A"...

Outside of the obvious that the campaigns are going to be balanced with a 6th spell circle max, there is a general problem in design if spell circles 1 to at least 6 are useless at "end-game". And you can defeat those bosses without access to lvl 7+ spells of course, there are multiclasses and non-spellcasters in the game. I'm also sure it's a matter of damage whether you defeat them and not changing reality.

 

[Cryomancer]

I agree martials should be buffed but Wizards can avoid damage more easily by staying out of combat range, so they don't need as much HP, and they have good unlimited cantrips so they don't need weapon proficiencies.

Yep. But a single Power Word Kill can end the life of a Wizard with poor hit points (https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Power Word Kill#content )

Mainly if he doesn't have good CON. Sneak archers too, can end the life of wizards/clerics...

And you can defeat those bosses without access to lvl 7+ spells of course, there are multiclasses and non-spellcasters in the game. I'm also sure it's a matter of damage whether you defeat them and not changing reality.

Not true. We are talking about pure spellcasters here. Of course a multiclass and martial class can defeat then. But not via spells.

Mephistopheles deals a ludicrous amount of damage. And he can dispel your buffs and teleport you to melee range. If you can't cast stop time(and pass the concentration checks), you can't re cast buffs, nor do anything to his resistances/immunities and spell resistance. You NEED stop time to re cast defenses and not insta die. You NEED disjunction to reduce their SR, you need those spells in this encounters. Note that disjunction on P&P is far stronger than on NWN1 and on P&P, it could transform his epic weapon into a mundane weapon.

Multiclasses tends to focus on melee and only use buffs to defeat him.

You clearly wanna nerf casters but probably NEVER played any game as one. D&D already tried to nerf arcane casters to oblivion with 4e and failed miserably. NWN2 too and the most popular gameplay change mod or the game is spell fixes which makes the game more in line with P&P.

 

[Lacrymas]

Spellcasters being insanely powerful is not something new or controversial, so I don't know what exactly you are arguing here. You have no ground to stand on and they need to be reined in. And PnP doesn't work like you imagine it to work, you have a very video game centric perspective. The campaigns and bosses can be altered to fit the loss of the 7-9th spell circles. Mephistopheles and what's-her-face *requiring* Time Stop is not something I remember, but it doesn't matter, they can be tuned to not require it.

 

[Lawntoilet]

I agree martials should be buffed but Wizards can avoid damage more easily by staying out of combat range, so they don't need as much HP, and they have good unlimited cantrips so they don't need weapon proficiencies.

Yep. But a single Power Word Kill can end the life of a Wizard with poor hit points (https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Power Word Kill#content )

Mainly if he doesn't have good CON. Sneak archers too, can end the life of wizards/clerics...

Power Word Kill is intended to kill things so that is fine.
Casters shouldn't dump Con anyway, it is a good save and critical for Concentration.
Also, 5e Abjurers effectively have more HP as a Fighter with the same Con score thanks to their Arcane Ward, although it doesn't count for Power Word Kill or a similar effect an Abjurer Wizard can legitimately be built as an effective tank.

 

[Desiderius]

Anyone who's willing to defend this game is a cultist. I can see no other reason why anyone would support Larian in any regard to this game. Larian has made so many bad decisions and if someone won't admit that and doesn't recognize it as shit then they are clearly blinded by devotion for swen.

I've enjoyed them more than most alternatives.

 

[PorkyThePaladin]

604 pages on this shit game? Good golly, you people are more gullible than the saps who thought Bethesda wouldn't ruin Fallout.

"... And then Bhaal Lord of Murder begat Mr. Bigglesworth, Lord of Meow, who joined with the dancing Illithid Cabaret to besiege the great city of Honkytonk with Cat-a-Pults..."

 

[Ontopoly]

Anyone who's willing to defend this game is a cultist. I can see no other reason why anyone would support Larian in any regard to this game. Larian has made so many bad decisions and if someone won't admit that and doesn't recognize it as shit then they are clearly blinded by devotion for swen.

I've enjoyed them more than most alternatives.

Harthwain add one to the list

604 pages on this shit game? Good golly, you people are more gullible than the saps who thought Bethesda wouldn't ruin Fallout.

They're too busy fan boying to realise the game will be horrible despite Larian making it painfully clear

 

[Harthwain]

Rusty is the obvious one
Saravan definitely has a cult like love for Larian
All of Reddit
Swen is without a doubt a cultist
Probably Crispy
And you

Those are a few quick ones. I'm sure I could find More if I went back through the thread but I can't remember any of you. You're all so culty and I can't differentiate a sheep from a sheep, or a sheep from a Larian culty.

"Can't remember any of you"? That's why you need to keep a list! I expected more from someone who's supposedly watching over Baldur's Gate's legacy around here.

Anyone who's willing to defend this game is a cultist.

That's the spirit!

I can see no other reason why anyone would support Larian in any regard to this game. Larian has made so many bad decisions and if someone won't admit that and doesn't recognize it as shit then they are clearly blinded by devotion for swen.

You confuse not shitting on Larian no matter what with "supporting Larian".

 

[Swen]

Like who? Expose them!

But seriously speaking - I am curious if you can name more than a single person (rusty).

Rusty is the obvious one
Saravan definitely has a cult like love for Larian
All of Reddit
Swen is without a doubt a cultist
Probably Crispy
And you

Those are a few quick ones. I'm sure I could find More if I went back through the thread but I can't remember any of you. You're all so culty and I can't differentiate a sheep from a sheep, or a sheep from a Larian culty.

I bet you can't find any post in all of these +600 pages that someone share a sentiment akin to a "cultist" or "fanboy" but you are so wrapped up in your butthurt that you are incapable of seeing that.

Anyone who's willing to defend this game is a cultist. I can see no other reason why anyone would support Larian in any regard to this game. Larian has made so many bad decisions and if someone won't admit that and doesn't recognize it as shit then they are clearly blinded by devotion for swen.

 

[Saravan]

Like who? Expose them!

But seriously speaking - I am curious if you can name more than a single person (rusty).

Rusty is the obvious one
Saravan definitely has a cult like love for Larian
All of Reddit
Swen is without a doubt a cultist
Probably Crispy
And you

Those are a few quick ones. I'm sure I could find More if I went back through the thread but I can't remember any of you. You're all so culty and I can't differentiate a sheep from a sheep, or a sheep from a Larian culty.

I bet you can't find any post in all of these +600 pages that someone share a sentiment akin to a "cultist" or "fanboy" but you are so wrapped up in your butthurt that you are incapable of seeing that.

Anyone who's willing to defend this game is a cultist. I can see no other reason why anyone would support Larian in any regard to this game. Larian has made so many bad decisions and if someone won't admit that and doesn't recognize it as shit then they are clearly blinded by devotion for swen.

I see you have earned new medals for being retarded.

 

[Ontopoly]

Like who? Expose them!

But seriously speaking - I am curious if you can name more than a single person (rusty).

Rusty is the obvious one
Saravan definitely has a cult like love for Larian
All of Reddit
Swen is without a doubt a cultist
Probably Crispy
And you

Those are a few quick ones. I'm sure I could find More if I went back through the thread but I can't remember any of you. You're all so culty and I can't differentiate a sheep from a sheep, or a sheep from a Larian culty.

I bet you can't find any post in all of these +600 pages that someone share a sentiment akin to a "cultist" or "fanboy" but you are so wrapped up in your butthurt that you are incapable of seeing that.

Anyone who's willing to defend this game is a cultist. I can see no other reason why anyone would support Larian in any regard to this game. Larian has made so many bad decisions and if someone won't admit that and doesn't recognize it as shit then they are clearly blinded by devotion for swen.

I see you have earned new medals for being retarded.

I see you still compulsively care about everything I do.

 

[Slaver1]

It's a good thing Larian are rushing this derpy co-op garbage into Early Access so we can laugh at it sooner rather than later. I think the odds are good that it releases later this year in EA.

The chances are also good it becomes a commercial hit on Steam for the same reason DOS2 did. The critical reception from users will be markedly inferior though, just watch, as Swen is determined to intertwine the Baldurs Gate fandom into this sordid DOS2 reskin affair. As long as the user score falls between 75-80 or lower we can consider this game a well earned failure.

 

[Swen]

It's a good thing Larian are rushing this derpy co-op garbage into Early Access so we can laugh at it sooner rather than later. I think the odds are good that it releases later this year in EA.

The chances are also good it becomes a commercial hit on Steam for the same reason DOS2 did. The critical reception from users will be markedly inferior though, just watch, as Swen is determined to intertwine the Baldurs Gate fandom into this sordid DOS2 reskin affair. As long as the user score falls between 75-80 or lower we can consider this game a well earned failure.

Ow how good the tears of retards like this will taste when BGIII will become a critical and commercial success.

 

[Ontopoly]

It's a good thing Larian are rushing this derpy co-op garbage into Early Access so we can laugh at it sooner rather than later. I think the odds are good that it releases later this year in EA.

The chances are also good it becomes a commercial hit on Steam for the same reason DOS2 did. The critical reception from users will be markedly inferior though, just watch, as Swen is determined to intertwine the Baldurs Gate fandom into this sordid DOS2 reskin affair. As long as the user score falls between 75-80 or lower we can consider this game a well earned failure.

Game reviewers are all sell outs with no taste and will all give it 10s. Can't really judge a game when you skip most dialogue, play on easy, speed run through the game, and quit half way through because you've played enough to write a couple of pages for a review.

 

[Cryomancer]

And PnP doesn't work like you imagine it to work, you have a very video game centric perspective. The campaigns and bosses can be altered to fit the loss of the 7-9th spell circles.

Translating : Campaign and bosses can be NERFED and losing everything that makes then feel epic.

Mephistopheles and what's-her-face *requiring* Time Stop is not something I remember,

For pure casters. Try beat him without high level spells as a pure caster and lets talk later;

Some people seems to hate fun. D&D is a high level spells are a thing that a lot of people like. The balance cult/Sawyerism is why we are getting things like a perk that gives +1% of only one type of damage on most games and we don't have more RPG's with amazing cool stuff to do.

Ow how good the tears of retards like this will taste when BGIII will become a critical and commercial success.

And will be a success. Larian makes games for people who enjoy "press A for awesome" games. But despite all game journalists "you can't kill a swarm with a sword", Pathfinder Wrath of The righteous got more money on kickstarter than DOS2. Appealing to a much smaller market.

DOS2 raised $2,032,434
PFWOTR raised $ 2,054,339

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/owlcatgames/pathfinder-wrath-of-the-righteous
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/larianstudios/divinity-original-sin-2

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

It's a good thing Larian are rushing this derpy co-op garbage into Early Access so we can laugh at it sooner rather than later. I think the odds are good that it releases later this year in EA.

The chances are also good it becomes a commercial hit on Steam for the same reason DOS2 did. The critical reception from users will be markedly inferior though, just watch, as Swen is determined to intertwine the Baldurs Gate fandom into this sordid DOS2 reskin affair. As long as the user score falls between 75-80 or lower we can consider this game a well earned failure.

As long as the game looks pretty, is not scam and there are no technical glitches at the release 85-99% positive review scores are guaranteed. There is no reason to think that somoene who previously managed to get 89, and 96% positive rating on Steam will somehow fall into sub-80 category. The game might be total shit, but the Steam reviews will not reflect that.

 

[Slaver1]

It's a good thing Larian are rushing this derpy co-op garbage into Early Access so we can laugh at it sooner rather than later. I think the odds are good that it releases later this year in EA.

The chances are also good it becomes a commercial hit on Steam for the same reason DOS2 did. The critical reception from users will be markedly inferior though, just watch, as Swen is determined to intertwine the Baldurs Gate fandom into this sordid DOS2 reskin affair. As long as the user score falls between 75-80 or lower we can consider this game a well earned failure.

Ow how good the tears of retards like this will taste when BGIII will become a critical and commercial success.

The only critical success the game will attain will be from degenerate mainstream coverage which will come alongside attempts to disparage the prior games in order to excuse how much Larian diverged from the classics.

Legitimate RPG consumers are going to shred it for being Fake Baldurs Gate 3.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

It's a good thing Larian are rushing this derpy co-op garbage into Early Access so we can laugh at it sooner rather than later. I think the odds are good that it releases later this year in EA.

The chances are also good it becomes a commercial hit on Steam for the same reason DOS2 did. The critical reception from users will be markedly inferior though, just watch, as Swen is determined to intertwine the Baldurs Gate fandom into this sordid DOS2 reskin affair. As long as the user score falls between 75-80 or lower we can consider this game a well earned failure.

Ow how good the tears of retards like this will taste when BGIII will become a critical and commercial success.

Legitimate RPG consumers.

No such thing on Steam.
I mean take a look:
Skyrim: 91% (and this was special edition)
Hyperdimension Neptunia 1: 96%
Age of Decadence: 81%
Pathfinder: 77%
Grimoire: 69%

 

[Swen]

And PnP doesn't work like you imagine it to work, you have a very video game centric perspective. The campaigns and bosses can be altered to fit the loss of the 7-9th spell circles.

Translating : Campaign and bosses can be NERFED and losing everything that makes then feel epic.

Mephistopheles and what's-her-face *requiring* Time Stop is not something I remember,

For pure casters. Try beat him without high level spells as a pure caster and lets talk later;

Some people seems to hate fun. D&D is a high level spells are a thing that a lot of people like. The balance cult/Sawyerism is why we are getting things like a perk that gives +1% of only one type of damage on most games and we don't have more RPG's with amazing cool stuff to do.

Ow how good the tears of retards like this will taste when BGIII will become a critical and commercial success.

And will be a success. Larian makes games for people who enjoy "press A for awesome" games. But despite all game journalists "you can't kill a swarm with a sword", Pathfinder Wrath of The righteous got more money on kickstarter than DOS2. Appealing to a much smaller market.

DOS2 raised $2,032,434
PFWOTR raised $ 2,054,339

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/owlcatgames/pathfinder-wrath-of-the-righteous
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/larianstudios/divinity-original-sin-2

Lol at this self ownage, more people cared about DOS2.

DOS2 backers:
42,713

PFWOTR backers:
35,092

The pathfinder autists had deeper pockets, that's all.

 

[Slaver1]

It's a good thing Larian are rushing this derpy co-op garbage into Early Access so we can laugh at it sooner rather than later. I think the odds are good that it releases later this year in EA.

The chances are also good it becomes a commercial hit on Steam for the same reason DOS2 did. The critical reception from users will be markedly inferior though, just watch, as Swen is determined to intertwine the Baldurs Gate fandom into this sordid DOS2 reskin affair. As long as the user score falls between 75-80 or lower we can consider this game a well earned failure.

Ow how good the tears of retards like this will taste when BGIII will become a critical and commercial success.

Legitimate RPG consumers.

No such thing on Steam.
I mean take a look:
Skyrim: 91% (and this was special edition)
Hyperdimension Neptunia 1: 96%
Age of Decadence: 81%
Pathfinder: 77%
Grimoire: 69%

As long as the game looks pretty, is not scam and there are no technical glitches at the release 85-99% positive review scores are guaranteed. There is no reason to think that somoene who previously managed to get 89, and 96% positive rating on Steam will somehow fall into sub-80 category. The game might be total shit, but the Steam reviews will not reflect that.

Good points, actually. The platform is so vast and mainstream that user criticism might be drowned out entirely (provided the numbers do stack up like DOS2.)

 

[Swen]

It's a good thing Larian are rushing this derpy co-op garbage into Early Access so we can laugh at it sooner rather than later. I think the odds are good that it releases later this year in EA.

The chances are also good it becomes a commercial hit on Steam for the same reason DOS2 did. The critical reception from users will be markedly inferior though, just watch, as Swen is determined to intertwine the Baldurs Gate fandom into this sordid DOS2 reskin affair. As long as the user score falls between 75-80 or lower we can consider this game a well earned failure.

Ow how good the tears of retards like this will taste when BGIII will become a critical and commercial success.

The only critical success the game will attain will be from degenerate mainstream coverage which will come alongside attempts to disparage the prior games in order to excuse how much Larian diverged from the classics.

Legitimate RPG consumers are going to shred it for being Fake Baldurs Gate 3.

Hahaha, an anime avatar autist calling anyone degenerate.

WOTC gave Larian the BG franchise because they know Larian will make it better than it ever was. (not hard since RTWP was always shit tier though)

 

[Cryomancer]

The pathfinder autists had deeper pockets, that's all.

You are right. DOS2 got more backers, but PFWOTR got more money. Do you know why? is not autism. Is because people who like item fever, cooldown, stat stickie itemization, lack of in depth progression, ludonarrative dissonance, and other things already have 56165229526552981654 modern games to play. People who like games like PFKM has .... Kingmaker. Pathfinder Kingmaker is the unique decent TT adaptation of the last decade. And people who like pfwotr tends to be older, so have more money.

And with turn based mod, people who hate micromanaging will be playing the game.

I will use RtWP on trash encounters and TB on harsh encounters like Spawn of Rovagug.

 

[Ontopoly]

The pathfinder autists had deeper pockets, that's all.

You are right. DOS2 got more backers, but PFWOTR got more money. Do you know why? is not autism. Is because people who like item fever, cooldown, stat stickie itemization, lack of in depth progression, ludonarrative dissonance, and other things already have 56165229526552981654 modern games to play. People who like games like PFKM has .... Kingmaker. Pathfinder Kingmaker is the unique decent TT adaptation of the last decade. And people who like pfwotr tends to be older, so have more money.

And with turn based mod, people who hate micromanaging will be playing the game.

I will use RtWP on trash encounters and TB on harsh encounters like Spawn of Rovagug.

It's also the difference between appealing to casuals vs people that actually care about systems. Casuals will drop enough to get the game if it looks good enough, but that's pretty much it. More passionate people are willing to put in more money for a product that appeals to them

 

[vortex]

WOTC gave Larian the BG franchise because they know Larian will make it better than it ever was. (not hard since RTWP was always shit tier though)

RTwP can only be improved for the better. TB fails on immersive, unrealistic basis. I get bored with TB. I'm on the tip of my toes playing RTwP.

Ow how good the tears of retards like this will taste when BGIII will become a critical and commercial success.

I hope you're right about it. I know that it looks like we have compulsive patterns (no, I'm not saying disorders).

Demo fails on many breaking points. Cutscenes like the one with goblins and orcs destroy immersion and people will skip them eventually. Remove them completely.

In demo orcs and goblins slowly approaching barricades and someones from the party says: 'Look, it's ambush!' . What ? In the daylight? Mindless goblins and less intelligent orcs successfully doing an ambush during the day? They could have done it in the night by the command of some powerful sorcerer. Maybe then I could believe it. C'mon.

Writing fails to deliver in many areas. Cringy, progressive on the nose and embarrassing for the successor. When the noun 'protocol' appears in Disco Elysium and BG3, it is clear proof that writers of BG3 are utterly ignorant what kind of fantasy does it stand for.

 

[guestposting]

DOS2 was hugely popular because most people have garbage taste. That absolutely has not changed in the last few years. BG3 will be at least as beloved.