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[Swen]

Lol at comparing garbage like Pathfinder with DOS2.

"Buh..muh user scores!!!!!" LMFAO

 

[Cryomancer]

Lol at comparing garbage like Pathfinder with DOS2.

Look to reviwers

"Perhaps a bit more troubling is the fact that within Pathfinder's ruleset, many monsters and creatures require very specific tools to kill. Swarms of small creatures like rats, for instance, can't be effectively fought with a sword and shield. Sometimes Kingmaker warns you, but other times it simply expects you to know how to handle the problem. Rust monsters, skeletons, ghosts, and so on all have specific tools that you need to understand and be able to use with relative ease. That's made easier by having a diverse party, but then you have to take far more time aside to learn the ins and outs of your band of characters than a traditional tabletop player." https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/pathfinder-kingmaker-review-the-classics/1900-6417006/

Kingmaker received poor reviews due the average BRAINLET millennial. NOBODY IS DENYING that dos2 is popular among game journalists and press A for awesome gamers.

Why not compare the number of spells? Build diversity? Story? Consistency of mechanics and lore?

 

[user]

Your average reviewer today:
"What's this? A low-budget rpg from a russian studio? That has created NO BUZZ? *Plays the game for 10 minutes (spider cave) and assumes none will like this because his own brain exploded, or never plays the game and copies some bad generic review comments from another game journautism site that has done exactly the same thing*.

Game journalism today is mostly about people who don't give a shit about games, trying to predict the reaction of the crowd and its alignment with game trends, so that their sorry-ass magazine agrees with most people reading it and gets more clicks, and is far less about actually reviewing something and speaking their opinion, justifying it, based on what they experienced.

And as for the user score, it's a miracle this modern Baldur's Gate even got a 7.5, as unforgiving as it is, with so many technical problems plaguing it for so long.

 

[Lacrymas]

I like how people put themselves on a pedestal for liking Kingmaker but hating D:OS2, all the while not realizing that Kingmaker is only a tiny step above D:OS2. If you want complex games, this is not it, go play that space battle simulator that has been making the rounds lately.

 

[user]

I like how people put themselves on a pedestal for liking Kingmaker but hating D:OS2, all the while not realizing that Kingmaker is only a tiny step above D:OS2. If you want complex games, this is not it, go play that space battle simulator that has been making the rounds lately.

There is no reason to hate DOSII. It's a pretty good non-dnd crpg. Yes, it's riddled with Larian humor, may not have the variety of a dnd crpg and its difficulty can make you fall asleep if you don't play on tactician solo, but its systems are decently intricate, innovative even, skills/spells do feel unique, its production quality is great and has many interesting stories in it. I guess, many hate it because it is overpraised, while at the same time a gem like P:K got a lot of undeserved shit from the press and the "I hate anything that makes me use my brain" crowd.

 

[Cryomancer]

Honestly, dos2 is not a complete trash game, but has most of the same problems of D3. On gameplay mechanics. Cooldowns, stat stickie gear, huge inflated numbers... What makes me hate dos2 was the guys saying that it is the "new baldur's gate". I purchased expecting everything that i liked on games like Baldur's Gate 2, Icewind Dale, Nox. Deus Ex. VtMB, Arcanum and ... Got everything that i hate on Diablo 3, WoW and other modern games.

Vincke comments like "missing obvious not work"(worked since 1988) and "spell slots aren't intuitive"(i saw nobody complaining even on console games which uses it like FF1 and Dark Souls 1/2) made me hate BG3 but the gameplay seems interesting. I was expecting DOS2 + Sword Coast Legends but saw a good gameplay. Still prefer WotR and will probably only play BG3 at discount.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

Lol at comparing garbage like Pathfinder with DOS2.

Look to reviwers

"Perhaps a bit more troubling is the fact that within Pathfinder's ruleset, many monsters and creatures require very specific tools to kill. Swarms of small creatures like rats, for instance, can't be effectively fought with a sword and shield. Sometimes Kingmaker warns you, but other times it simply expects you to know how to handle the problem. Rust monsters, skeletons, ghosts, and so on all have specific tools that you need to understand and be able to use with relative ease. That's made easier by having a diverse party, but then you have to take far more time aside to learn the ins and outs of your band of characters than a traditional tabletop player." https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/pathfinder-kingmaker-review-the-classics/1900-6417006/

Kingmaker received poor reviews due the average BRAINLET millennial. NOBODY IS DENYING that dos2 is popular among game journalists and press A for awesome gamers.

Why not compare the number of spells? Build diversity? Story? Consistency of mechanics and lore?

I'd rather have a solid combat system with interesting options even if it comes at a price of not having 8 different varieties of "cure wound" spells and 5 different kinds of arcane caster.

 

[Cryomancer]

I'd rather have a solid combat system with interesting options even if it comes at a price of not having 8 different varieties of "cure wound" spells and 5 different kinds of arcane caster.

You have progression on cure wounds and can cast as different circles. There are a huge difference between cure wounds for a lv 1 cleric and mass cure serious wounds. As for 5 different kinds of arcane casters, they are differents. Play as a arcanist, sorcerer and wizard is a complete different experience.

 

[Morblot]

Is it just me or does the quality of the so-called discussion in this thread seem rather low?

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

I'd rather have a solid combat system with interesting options even if it comes at a price of not having 8 different varieties of "cure wound" spells and 5 different kinds of arcane caster.

You have progression on cure wounds and can cast as different circles. There are a huge difference between cure wounds for a lv 1 cleric and mass cure serious wounds. As for 5 different kinds of arcane casters, they are differents. Play as a arcanist, sorcerer and wizard is a complete different experience.

I know how spell progression works, I just don't think that having different copies of the same spell does anything other than inflate the spell number. And playing Wizard and Sorcerer is not a completely different experience. It's a slightly different way of using the same abilities.

 

[Saravan]

I like how people put themselves on a pedestal for liking Kingmaker but hating D:OS2, all the while not realizing that Kingmaker is only a tiny step above D:OS2. If you want complex games, this is not it, go play that space battle simulator that has been making the rounds lately.

There is no reason to hate DOSII. It's a pretty good non-dnd crpg. Yes, it's riddled with Larian humor, may not have the variety of a dnd crpg and its difficulty can make you fall asleep if you don't play on tactician solo, but its systems are decently intricate, innovative even, skills/spells do feel unique, its production quality is great and has many interesting stories in it. I guess, many hate it because it is overpraised, while at the same time a gem like P:K got a lot of undeserved shit from the press and the "I hate anything that makes me use my brain" crowd.

I agree that Pathfinder got a lot of undeserving shit from the mainstream media but taking that as an example of anything is pretty pointless. You can find all kinds of stupid statements from the mainstream, it's just the way the market works unfortunately but it's good that the sequel is getting even larger exposure.

What I see here however is some autistic tribalism being put on display where brainlets have difficulty reconciling the notion that some are able to enjoy both games for their respective strengths and weaknesses. Although most of that caveman thinking comes from people tagged appropriately as retards. Then there is also the guy who has a necromancer/magic fetish and mistakes his personal taste as objective facts whenever that fantasy is not properly recognized in a video game.

 

[Ninjerk]

Is it just me or does the quality of the so-called discussion in this thread seem rather low?

If you could plot the discussion somehow, it would be a jagged line that occasionally intersects with BG3 and veers off for a page or two about something else before barely touching BG3 on the way back.

 

[Ontopoly]

Is it just me or does the quality of the so-called discussion in this thread seem rather low?

If you could plot the discussion somehow, it would be a jagged line that occasionally intersects with BG3 and veers off for a page or two about something else before barely touching BG3 on the way back.

Well I'm just glad you two were able to come in and contribute to the betterment of the thread. Keep up the good work. Proud of you

 

[gurugeorge]

I take the middle road: DOS2 was indeed shit, with overthunk decisions that made the cool gameplay of DOS overfussy.

But I predict BGIII will be good.

Larian have a history of doing great games then shit games then great games again.

 

[Cryomancer]

Larian have a history of doing great games then shit games then great games again.

Except by Divine Divinity, there are any good Larian game?

 

[Morblot]

Well I'm just glad you two were able to come in and contribute to the betterment of the thread. Keep up the good work. Proud of you

Who are you?

 

[Daidre]

I like how people put themselves on a pedestal for liking Kingmaker but hating D:OS2, all the while not realizing that Kingmaker is only a tiny step above D:OS2. If you want complex games, this is not it, go play that space battle simulator that has been making the rounds lately.

Sometime ago you've admitted that you never played D:OS 2 and your last attempt at DOS: 1 bored you to the tears. Have you tried D:OS 2 already or you still criticizing people for criticizing game you personally deemed unworthy to spend your time on (for a 3 years since release)?

 

[Lawntoilet]

Larian have a history of doing great games then shit games then great games again.

Except by Divine Divinity, there are any good Larian game?

I liked Div2 and the expansion, they were pretty fun.
It's been a long time since I played it, but as I recall the lolradnub humor and Larian idiocy was actually restrained enough to be entertaining instead of exasperating.
If D:OS 1&2 had been able to maintain that kind of tone instead of going full retardo, I would've liked those games much more (maybe even been able to finish either one of them).

 

[Elex]

Someone mentioned “why on sigil spell work the same?”

because the lady of pain and vecna.

google “Die Vecna Die!”

Does it also explain why spells work the same everywhere else: Dragonlance, Darksun (minus the lifedrain part), Ravenloft etc?

Of course, i mean wizard of faeurn use mordenkainen spells and other wizard named spell coming from others planes.
Because D&D is all in the same multiverse and entities like the lady of pain have more power than the gods.

 

[Elex]

About 5e and demigods and gods:
They don’t have stat in 5e, it’s on purpose: they don’t need stat, they are a different tier and mortal can’t even think.

what mortal can kill is god’s avatar, tiamat is CR 30 (like the tarrasque) 30 is the max CR of pubblished official monster, and is an easy job for 4 lvl 20, for 6 is almost a joke, because tiamat is in the rise of tiamat campaign and the party fight her at lvl 15.

When the party face a single enemy it’s always in party favor. This why 5e require some add in a fight.

 

[Ontopoly]

Well I'm just glad you two were able to come in and contribute to the betterment of the thread. Keep up the good work. Proud of you

Who are you?

I am Ontopoly. Player of the realms of rpgs. Master of swords and spells. Manipulator of .Ini files. Devourer of antagonists. Champion of the great halls of achievements. The sword coast knows me as bhaal spawn. The people of Arcanum know me as the living one. I am known in morrowind as the Nerevarine. And there are more titles. Titles that you do not even know. Titles that if uttered aloud would tear the minds of casuals such as yourselves apart.

 

[Cryomancer]

This why 5e require some add in a fight.

Yep; On 3.5e, a lv 20 fighter can kill an army of lv 2 fighters. On 5e is different. Numbers are a insane advantage.

 

[FranticDistortion]

Well I'm just glad you two were able to come in and contribute to the betterment of the thread. Keep up the good work. Proud of you

Who are you?

I am Ontopoly. Player of the realms of rpgs. Master of swords and spells. Manipulator of .Ini files. Devourer of antagonists. Champion of the great halls of achievements. The sword coast knows me as bhaal spawn. The people of Arcanum know me as the living one. I am known in morrowind as the Nerevarine. And there are more titles. Titles that you do not even know. Titles that if uttered aloud would tear the minds of casuals such as yourselves apart.

So, an 8th-grader with edgelord complex.

 

[Ontopoly]

Well I'm just glad you two were able to come in and contribute to the betterment of the thread. Keep up the good work. Proud of you

Who are you?

I am Ontopoly. Player of the realms of rpgs. Master of swords and spells. Manipulator of .Ini files. Devourer of antagonists. Champion of the great halls of achievements. The sword coast knows me as bhaal spawn. The people of Arcanum know me as the living one. I am known in morrowind as the Nerevarine. And there are more titles. Titles that you do not even know. Titles that if uttered aloud would tear the minds of casuals such as yourselves apart.

So, an 8th-grader with edgelord complex.

All that matters here is your accounts age, and I got you beat there, Mr.february

 

[Desiderius]

So, an 8th-grader with edgelord complex.

Well, if an eighth-grader doesn't have an edgelord complex, there's been a problem somewhere along the way.