Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 RELEASE THREAD

[MerchantKing]

The problem with torment is that gameplay is trash, one minute animation for spell, hehe

Hmmm... Just like those japanese games.

So you're saying the Codex is full of degenerates who fap to girls with cat ears?

Would it have been any other way?

 

[Elthosian]

The problem with torment is that gameplay is trash, one minute animation for spell, hehe

Gameplay != combat.

Combat was indeed trash but exploring around was a thrill and very rewarding. I'd give its *gameplay* a 7.5/10 when accounting for the mediocre combat, which still wasn't half as bad as Arcanum's.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

It's a fucking 9th level spell. It's SUPPOSED to be EPIC.

>83 damage

 

[0wca]

It's a fucking 9th level spell. It's SUPPOSED to be EPIC.

>83 damage

Saving throws.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Story of a dumb gnome, a tragic tale in three chapters.

The thing that sucks is that even if you do that and pick up the barrel, it removes the item from your inventory.

If you don't pick it up, or talk her down, she will run away faster than you can kill her.

Best option is just to enter combat before speaking with her and one-shot her.

 

[Nerevar]

Meanwhile you can make TNO just go an hit things in melee and it doesn't matter if he takes damage because he'll just regenerate.

 

[Shaki]

I treat Solasta as a toolset to create your own campaigns, shitty vanilla campaign is a proof of concept, advertisement for the toolset, nothing else.

It's lackluster even in that department. The selections are far too limited, and if I'm going to waste that kind of time, I better be able to sell the game - which obviously I wouldn't.

This was the same argument people used to make for NWN campaigns. "It's ok that the OC is trash! It's just a toolset!"

Which means that mods are the real main attraction, since 99% of people don't have time for that shit.

So, you're basically paying a company to outsource free content to a bunch of random 15-year-olds online.

I'm sure mod campaigns seemed fantastic to you when you were 12, but to me they seemed like autistic drivel.

I won't argue, because as I said I was filtered by NWN vanilla myself. I saw Codexers I consider prestigious, treating Swordflight and shit like a second coming of Jesus, so I assumed some NWN fan modules must be good.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Torment didn't have bad combat, it had boring encounter design. The spells, the animations (critical strikes in particular was very satisfying), combat mechanics like backstab, it was all done very well. What sucked is that you had no cool enemies to use any of that stuff on.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Saving throws.

Not sure if you're saying that's why it's so low, or if you're saying it can go lower.

Purple flame, nuclear space comet arrow, dragon breath - all turn into the equivalent of three or four hits with an axe, if that.

 

[Mebrilia the Viera Queen]

I just say this.
People are actually talking about the game in this thread and is freaking glorious!!

 

[Shaki]

Story of a dumb gnome, a tragic tale in three chapters.

folly

surprise

fall

Brought to you by,

big brain move

I just told the nigger she can go and take the explosives with her to calm her down, then shot her in the back as she was running away.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Torment didn't have bad combat, it had boring encounter design. The spells, the animations (critical strikes in particular was very satisfying), combat mechanics like backstab, it was all done very well. What sucked is that you had no cool enemies to use any of that stuff on.

Yeah, it was mostly trash mobs. Some areas you could just sneak or run through and be fine not fighting anything.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

I just say this.
People are actually talking about the game in this thread and is freaking glorious!!

And the game is Planescape: Torment.

 

[PapaPetro]

The problem with torment is that gameplay is trash, one minute animation for spell, hehe

Gameplay != combat.

Combat was indeed trash but exploring around was a thrill and very rewarding. I'd give its *gameplay* a 7.5/10 when accounting for the mediocre combat, which still wasn't half as bad as Arcanum's.

Reminds me of those old Final Fantasy 7 summons.

 

[Mebrilia the Viera Queen]

I just say this.
People are actually talking about the game in this thread and is freaking glorious!!

And the game is Planescape: Torment.

In relation of bg3 of course

 

[Shaki]

Torment didn't have bad combat, it had boring encounter design. The spells, the animations (critical strikes in particular was very satisfying), combat mechanics like backstab, it was all done very well. What sucked is that you had no cool enemies to use any of that stuff on.

It also had very shitty itemization

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

I won't argue, because as I said I was filtered by NWN vanilla myself. I saw Codexers I consider prestigious, treating Swordflight and shit like a second coming of Jesus, so I assumed some NWN fan modules must be good.

It was probably just desperation on their part. Back before the indie boom, we had at least a decade of zero RPG content. Mods for NWN, or else mods for the latest Todd Howard turd, were a lot of what people played or talked about.

Meanwhile, I just played BG, Arcanum and other older games over and over, and bought all the Spiderweb Software games I could get my hands on.

 

[Grauken]

bought all the Spiderweb Software games I could get my hands on

truly desperate times

 

[0wca]

Saving throws.

Not sure if you're saying that's why it's so low, or if you're saying it can go lower.

Purple flame, nuclear space comet arrow, dragon breath - all turn into the equivalent of three or four hits with an axe, if that.

I'm saying the damage is low because he saved. It's probably double that.

 

[Lawntoilet]

I treat Solasta as a toolset to create your own campaigns, shitty vanilla campaign is a proof of concept, advertisement for the toolset, nothing else.

It's lackluster even in that department. The selections are far too limited, and if I'm going to waste that kind of time, I better be able to sell the game - which obviously I wouldn't.

This was the same argument people used to make for NWN campaigns. "It's ok that the OC is trash! It's just a toolset!"

Which means that mods are the real main attraction, since 99% of people don't have time for that shit.

So, you're basically paying a company to outsource free content to a bunch of random 15-year-olds online.

I'm sure mod campaigns seemed fantastic to you when you were 12, but to me they seemed like autistic drivel.

I won't argue, because as I said I was filtered by NWN vanilla myself. I saw Codexers I consider prestigious, treating Swordflight and shit like a second coming of Jesus, so I assumed some NWN fan modules must be good.

Swordflight is awesome, but it's one of very very few mods that is actually good as a game unto itself, and it's still dragged down by the NWN engine.
It's basically true that 99.999% of mod campaigns are "autistic drivel."

 

[Shaki]

bought all the Spiderweb Software games I could get my hands on

truly desperate times

Heresy, Spiderweb games with the exception of all the later cashgrab remakes, are prestigious af. Avernum/Exile is one of my favourite games, don't think I've ever played another title that invoked the same feeling of adventure.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

truly desperate times

The first, or even second, releases of Vogel's games were decent enough. Geneforge 1 & 2 were a great games that mainly lacked in graphics.

It's the decades of rehashed content that give him such a bad rep. Avernum was already a remake, and then got remade at least once or twice itself. Geneforge technically had new games, but was pretty stale after 2 or 3 - again and again with the same story, same factions etc.

But if they're still playable, the Exile/Avernum or early original Geneforge series are still games I would reccomend.

 

[Elthosian]

bought all the Spiderweb Software games I could get my hands on

truly desperate times

Heresy, Spiderweb games with the exception of all the later cashgrab remakes, are prestigious af. Avernum/Exile is one of my favourite games ever, idk I've ever played another title that invoked the same feeling of adventure.

It’s Geneforge 2 for me, what a gem.

 

[Grauken]

It's the decades of rehashed content that give him such a bad rep.

Well, don't forget his occasional cringe blog posts

 

[Lyre Mors]

Sorry for the off topic post, but the Geneforge remake is great and actually an improvement on the original in most ways. Vogel did good by us with that one. Hope the others will follow the trend.