Parabalus
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Those were pretty bad.
Was surprised how they dumped all the Bg1&2 characters in A3, and they all sucked.
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Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 RELEASE THREAD
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Was surprised how they dumped all the Bg1&2 characters in A3, and they all sucked.
Finally beat the long and dull last battle. Turn based combat at its worse: you are stronger than the encounter, and your victory is inevitable regardless of optimal play, but everything just drags on as dozens of enemies take their turn. Made worse by me deciding to summon as much stuff as possible to aid me,
since I overrated it.
The two places where turn based combat became a slog were the last encounter (really 3 in a row), and the siege of the Towers in Act II. The siege was more difficult, and extra so if you want to keep certain Harpers alive, but also made more annoying by the constant HADAAAAR spam. Everywhere else I thought turn based looked and played great. Just make sure there aren't too many enemies doing too much long animations while you mentally check out and pull out your phone.
My campaign lasted 75 hours total. I did everything I saw, but probably missed some, haven't used guides or walkthroughs. Also I didn't reload when I failed stuff, so I have a few suboptimal quest resolutions.
If you are a completionist, and you respec characters often, and you reload to get best outcomes, could be a 100 hour campaign.
The writing was very hit or miss. The main plot was bad. The minor plots and characters are good. The decision to separate Dark Urge and Default Protagonist Man Tav was uncalled for, and you can see the seams in places. You can also see how the last minute removal of the Upper City part of Baldur's Gate made Lord Enver Gortash seem lame and toothless. As a politician, he should've been a menace exactly there. Also we don't get to see how he's a lawful contract demon type of guy, which fits his plot of slave trading with the Hells.
Visuals are great, sound is great, music is perfect (and composer is Bulgarian, tri moreta, etc), voice acting is great. Best cRPG in a while. I hope Wizards get greedy and let Larian release some modding tools or something.
since I overrated it.
The two places where turn based combat became a slog were the last encounter (really 3 in a row), and the siege of the Towers in Act II. The siege was more difficult, and extra so if you want to keep certain Harpers alive, but also made more annoying by the constant HADAAAAR spam. Everywhere else I thought turn based looked and played great. Just make sure there aren't too many enemies doing too much long animations while you mentally check out and pull out your phone.
My campaign lasted 75 hours total. I did everything I saw, but probably missed some, haven't used guides or walkthroughs. Also I didn't reload when I failed stuff, so I have a few suboptimal quest resolutions.
If you are a completionist, and you respec characters often, and you reload to get best outcomes, could be a 100 hour campaign.
The writing was very hit or miss. The main plot was bad. The minor plots and characters are good. The decision to separate Dark Urge and Default Protagonist Man Tav was uncalled for, and you can see the seams in places. You can also see how the last minute removal of the Upper City part of Baldur's Gate made Lord Enver Gortash seem lame and toothless. As a politician, he should've been a menace exactly there. Also we don't get to see how he's a lawful contract demon type of guy, which fits his plot of slave trading with the Hells.
Visuals are great, sound is great, music is perfect (and composer is Bulgarian, tri moreta, etc), voice acting is great. Best cRPG in a while. I hope Wizards get greedy and let Larian release some modding tools or something.
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Act1 took me 60 hours in-game and 80 hours with reloads, so I guess this is a bit off
You might be a bit of an anomaly, to be honest.
20-30 hours per act seems a reasonable estimation. Less if you go straightforwardly "evil" (join the Absolutists, kill the others), more if you go murderhobo (do all quests you can everywhere, then kill everyone).
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The only people provoking anything here are asshats who can't stop playing the game while whining on about it
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Nope, saw lots of other people, especially first-timers having 50-60 hours for act1, if you just play without rushing the content it pretty much comes to this
Stopped playing the game and complains -> You didn't really played it, lol.
Finished the game and complains -> You played it, so you liked it, stop bitching about it, lol.
Grauken - defends the game on all fronts while still in Act 1.
Grauken: The game is good.
Everyone else: You haven't played it yet! It gets bad later! You need to play 100 hours before you see its bad!!!
An inversion of the usual narrative.
https://www.eurogamer.net/baldurs-g...nd-248-actors-to-bring-its-characters-to-lifeBaldur's Gate 3 "feels so alive" because it used mo-cap and 248 actors to bring its characters to life
"Which means Shadowheart's iconic head wiggles were Jen’s actual head wiggles."
Image credit: Larian.
News by Vikki Blake Contributor
Published on 27 Aug 2023
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Baldur's Gate 3 drew on the expertise and motion-capture of 248 actors to bring its cast – including NPCs – to life.
That's according to performance director Aliona Baranova, who posted a lengthy thread to Xitter over the weekend to detail exactly how much work goes into making your favourite games feel "so alive".
"[For a]lmost ALL the dialogue we recorded, we ALSO captured the actors mocap data," Baranova explained. "That means all 248 actors, ALL the NPCs and not just the companions put on a mocap suit and their movements, gestures, and physical choices were recorded and sent along with the audio files for the animators to use in game. which is why the performances feels so alive."
The exceptions to the rule? Animals, of course, additional dialogue – Baranova gives the example of when you see a birds eye view of a character running while speaking – as well as cinematic cut scenes and, "occasionally", when an actor was injured or unavailable to record the mocap along with their voice lines.
"Which means the iconic head wiggles [Jennifer English] did as Shadowheart were Jen’s actual head wiggles," Baranova says. "The militaristic and alien like movements of Lae were Devora Wilde's physical choices for the character. Neil Newbon's theatrical flare as Astarion are all part of the actors choices."
"As a performance director, our job is to work with the voice director, and our focus is the actors body, their movements, how they physicalise, and embody their character and making sure that the body is connected to the voice," Baranova explains (thanks, PC Gamer).
"When you watch the in game dialogue you're not only hearing the actors voices but you're also seeing their physical performances as well as the beautiful work of the animators at Larian Studios, of course, who used the files we sent to create the finished product."
Larian has released its first "major" update for Baldur's Gate 3, with the developer stating it will target a rather substantial 1000 bugs, as well as "balancing, flow issues and much, much more". As Larian joked, it is so immense, the patch notes couldn't be detailed in their entirety on Steam, as they exceeded the platform's text limit.
This first chunky update follows Larian's announcement that Baldur's Gate 3 will be making its way to Xbox before this year is out.
After sitting down with Xbox head Phil Spencer at Gamescom earlier this week, Larian revealed it had dropped Series S split-screen as a "solution" to bring its RPG to Microsoft's consoles.
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Is the criminal system broken in act 3? You have to purposely roleplay to not break the economy.
Invisibility -> Pickpocket merchant.
while in the pickpocket UI Invisibility runs out / fail, Merchant goes running out of the shop screaming "THIEF!"
Okay, Thank you for giving me a great opportunity to rummage through all of your shelves.
30 seconds later Merchant comes back cheerful as can be, ready to buy back all the items I just took from his shelf, apparently with short term memory problems.
Rinse and repeat with all the shops.
Invisibility -> Pickpocket merchant.
while in the pickpocket UI Invisibility runs out / fail, Merchant goes running out of the shop screaming "THIEF!"
Okay, Thank you for giving me a great opportunity to rummage through all of your shelves.
30 seconds later Merchant comes back cheerful as can be, ready to buy back all the items I just took from his shelf, apparently with short term memory problems.
Rinse and repeat with all the shops.
Shadowheart's VA is gay, and her girlfriend is on Twitter simping for the Shadowheart character. Making jokes about how she likes SH more than her actual gf in real life. Pretty funny stuff.https://www.eurogamer.net/baldurs-g...nd-248-actors-to-bring-its-characters-to-lifeBaldur's Gate 3 "feels so alive" because it used mo-cap and 248 actors to bring its characters to life
"Which means Shadowheart's iconic head wiggles were Jen’s actual head wiggles."
News by Vikki Blake Contributor
Published on 27 Aug 2023
Follow Baldur's Gate III
Baldur's Gate 3 drew on the expertise and motion-capture of 248 actors to bring its cast – including NPCs – to life.
That's according to performance director Aliona Baranova, who posted a lengthy thread to Xitter over the weekend to detail exactly how much work goes into making your favourite games feel "so alive".
"[For a]lmost ALL the dialogue we recorded, we ALSO captured the actors mocap data," Baranova explained. "That means all 248 actors, ALL the NPCs and not just the companions put on a mocap suit and their movements, gestures, and physical choices were recorded and sent along with the audio files for the animators to use in game. which is why the performances feels so alive."
The exceptions to the rule? Animals, of course, additional dialogue – Baranova gives the example of when you see a birds eye view of a character running while speaking – as well as cinematic cut scenes and, "occasionally", when an actor was injured or unavailable to record the mocap along with their voice lines.
"Which means the iconic head wiggles [Jennifer English] did as Shadowheart were Jen’s actual head wiggles," Baranova says. "The militaristic and alien like movements of Lae were Devora Wilde's physical choices for the character. Neil Newbon's theatrical flare as Astarion are all part of the actors choices."
"As a performance director, our job is to work with the voice director, and our focus is the actors body, their movements, how they physicalise, and embody their character and making sure that the body is connected to the voice," Baranova explains (thanks, PC Gamer).
"When you watch the in game dialogue you're not only hearing the actors voices but you're also seeing their physical performances as well as the beautiful work of the animators at Larian Studios, of course, who used the files we sent to create the finished product."
Larian has released its first "major" update for Baldur's Gate 3, with the developer stating it will target a rather substantial 1000 bugs, as well as "balancing, flow issues and much, much more". As Larian joked, it is so immense, the patch notes couldn't be detailed in their entirety on Steam, as they exceeded the platform's text limit.
This first chunky update follows Larian's announcement that Baldur's Gate 3 will be making its way to Xbox before this year is out.
After sitting down with Xbox head Phil Spencer at Gamescom earlier this week, Larian revealed it had dropped Series S split-screen as a "solution" to bring its RPG to Microsoft's consoles.
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Act 1 alone is a 9/10 for me in all departments, even if act 2 and 3 are disappointing this is still better and more content than most cRPGs released in recent years
I mean, you can literally just use Disguise Self, steal everything everywhere, and break the disguise. Who, me? No, it was some blue dragonborn who robbed you. Or just hire a merc, sell their gear, and pickpocket your money off the lich. Infinite gold, zero risk, since he never aggroes even if you fail the pickpocket.
This game has no economy to speak of, if you want to exploit stuff. Nor is it needed, the goal is to not have TOO powerful items TOO early, and this is done by rationing what merchants sell what goods.
Eisenheinrich
Scholar
Then what does it say that I hate the start of every Larian game post-Divine Divinity?
By anyone with positive IQ? Genre classic, hahahaha.
Cute how you fluff yourself up there, but being contrarian just for the sake of being contrarian doesn't make you "positive IQ".
This stance reeks of outcast teenboy who has to cope with the fact he's shunned by society. Early 2000s atheist scene vibe.
So ... cope harder.
hahahaha.
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Act 2 and 3 are just as good though, I don't know why some codexers criticize them. I haven't seen any criticism that would get to the point why they are disappointing either.
perfectslumbers
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BG3 doesn't feel particularly alive to me despite all the expensive mocap. I think it's a cinematography issue. Larian can't frame shots as well as other devs so all the cut-scenes and dialogue feel lifeless despite all the Belgian slave labour put into them
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Well, I'm in act 2 at the moment and it's still great, so who knows? Some codexers just like to complain
Eisenheinrich
Scholar
Now that's an understatement.
Act 2 is okay. But it felt like Spooky Halloween MMO Area with Bosses™ to me. And the story in general made no sense for my party since the bad guys didn't care that we murdered their goblin army. Not even after the prisoner breakout did they care. I could once again just walk into their keep and snoop around. Where the hell are the antagonists? Will nobody try to stop me? And I only met the general when it was time for him to die - after freeing his daughter who has daddy issues.
Act 3 turned into a tourist and checklist thing rather fast. Very simple areas too. Dungeons became Skyrim linear with a boss at the end. Spending all that time in the city was draining too, and became boring very fast, at least to me. Also, the plot twist made the 3 bad guys absolutely pointless. Also, they were dumb as hell, did they not notice that I killed every one of them? Why do they still trust me? The whole game up to that point felt like a filler since nothing mattered. The Absolute as a cult just disappeared from the game.
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Oh, forgot about the bugs and performance too. Some quests just didn't work.
Are you joking?
You kill #3, so #1 and #2 both try to recruit you to kill the other one as well, because they don't want a triumvirate, they want single rule.
The situation here is Rome arming barbarians to fight other barbarians for them and oh no now they are fighting me. Its pretty standard cartel busting.
Sure, but why would I let anyone of them live? They could see my track record. "I'm sure he will be letting me live *hears an explosion in the distance of his robot factory blowing up*"
Eisenheinrich
Scholar
How would you know Chazer? You uninstalled the game hours after pirating it for days. I was told jews are somehow clever?
When you start exploding his factories and submarines, he lifts the bridge, and the entire keep aggroes you on sight, and his audience hall is full of mines and flamethrowers. And he bargains reasonably, lets share, you can't control it alone, I have the ear of a god, lets work together, etc.
I get what you are saying, but I don't think that's what we are seeing in the game. The plot has many problems, and I think its bad. This isn't one such problem. This is fine.
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I admit after you murder almost everyone, it is a bit empty
Swen
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After a month and only a few days removed from Starfield release, BG3 is still number 1...Crazy
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