Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 RELEASE THREAD

[Yosharian]

Paladin yes, Cleric no. Circle of the Moon Druid is extremely overpowered.

Not in honour mode

 

[Barbarian]

As a solo character maybe not, but as part of a group cleric is certainly op. Shadowheart is by far the best companion to have as the only cleric. No other class comes close on the matter of buffing and utility.

Combined with Paladin it gets even more ridiculous. Bless + aura of protection with a 20 charisma pally means 5 + 1d4 on every single saving throw. That is seriously unbalanced. And it is not larian homebrewing, that is the ruleset.

The items in the game also push things in that direction. Hellrider's pride might be the single best item in the game even though most don't speak about it - that is considering how early you get it. It allows you to give your entire party blade ward as a bonus action.

I've never once felt powerful when playing paladin in BG3, but that's probably because I went for the shield build in the game with nerfed Shield Master. A bunch of enemies you'd expect paladin to be good against, also have radiant backlash for no reason at all (Raphael is a notable example, but not the only one), and I'm pretty sure there's more of them on the harder difficulty too.
Cleric is pretty good, mostly carried by spirit guardians - it has the same problem as the paladin with radiant damage, but you can just choose necrotic.

My first playthrough was with a pure class assassin on tactician. Many fights were slogs and uphill battles, specially bosses with high-hp. You had that one sneak attack where you hoped to roll high damage and you had that one guaranteed crit if you surprised enemies(very situational). Felt very underpowered compared to every single martial or caster class.

High charisma and high strenght pally on the other hand will buff himself and the entire party to hell and back and have the single highest damage potential of any class.

The one thing that bit me in the ass playing oathbreaker was getting "aura of hate" upon reaching level 7 on chapter 2. Took me a while to realize pretty much all enemies in the chapter were getting extra damage equal to my charisma modifier.

 

[Donald Gordon Lord]

Balduran buttfucking a dragon/gay squid sex is 100% a Sven thing, Larian made a previous game based around a degenerate dating sim where you fuck skeletons, lizard men, and dwarves. Deutcher humor at its finest.

So how did Karlach serve the Exemplar of Tyranny for a couple years as a bodyguard w/o noticing anything was wrong. I’m assuming Lord Hair Metal was whipping his slaves on the reg…. She’s just that stupid?

 

[Padzi]

Because the Upper City was cut from the game so late into development, I have the feeling that cut content for the upper city was partially transported into the lower city, and that is one of the main reasons why act 3 is such a mess.

yea act 3 is full of cut corners. im guessing ACT 3 was supposed to be dedicated to the Bhaal temple and Orin. Then they just shoved Cazador's mansion into a random location on top of the city wall and placed whats-his-faces' coronation inside a guard barracks.

It's still by far the strongest act of the game. It's way more ambitious, has way more interesting quests, etc. I had way more fun with act 3 than with acts 1 and 2.

Yes. Cazador's mansion AND Raphael's house should be in upper city.

 

[Nomad_Blizz]

not sure what's wrong, maybe my save file got corrupted or sth. I haven't played since patch #1 and now the game crashes constantly when starting a conversation with someone ingame. I left off right after starting act 3.

 

[Old Hans]

Raphael's house should be in upper city.

hmm that would explain why he has a side gig at a whore house in Baldur's Gate

 

[Barbarian]

Coronation ceremony filled with nobles happening in some fist barracks in the lower city is probably the most in your face "yes this shouldn't be here we rushed it" moment

 

[Yosharian]

Yeah that was a bit weird wasn't it. I haven't finished Act 3 but what I've seen of it just really came across as unfinished/rushed

 

[Lacrymas]

The upper city could've been a piece of DLC they are adamant about not doing.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

I've never once felt powerful when playing paladin in BG3, but that's probably because I went for the shield build in the game with nerfed Shield Master. A bunch of enemies you'd expect paladin to be good against, also have radiant backlash for no reason at all (Raphael is a notable example, but not the only one), and I'm pretty sure there's more of them on the harder difficulty too.
Cleric is pretty good, mostly carried by spirit guardians - it has the same problem as the paladin with radiant damage, but you can just choose necrotic.

The hardest difficulty setting adds special abilities to enemies, and for several fights this means radiant backlash that screws over paladins, though the only fight where it presents tremendous difficulty is the one against the disciples of Shar.

 

[Desiderius]

> For some reason every single deep gnome in the game is a homossexual

You lost me, I'm trying to think why you would say that but I only remember encountering them in the Underdark, I don't remember them being particularly flamboyant or anything?

No, it is literally that. That female gnome you track down for the runepowder vial for instance asks you to tell her (female) lover that she is dead. One of the gnomes participating in the dig asks you to save his "husband" trapped inside with Nere and both rant about it if you save them. Then there is Barcus and Wulbren. There are also more I probably don't remember.

That is I think the most woke thing in this game. There are more homossexual couples than straight ones. Older games usually went the route of placing one token pair of sodomites somewhere for being INCLOOSIVE. Larian took it deeper and made faerun a land of faggotry.

One thing I will hand it to the belgians is that most homo couples in the game are lesbian. Less repugnant than shitpushers for sure.

The rare married couple near the Myconids hate each other and winning the quest is liberating the wife from her idiot husband or whatever.

Stunning and brave

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

The rare married couple near the Myconids hate each other and winning the quest is liberating the wife from her idiot husband or whatever.

Yes, but thanks to Belgian autism, we're at least allowed to get the "bad" end to the quest by freeing the husband from mental slavery.

 

[Barbarian]

> For some reason every single deep gnome in the game is a homossexual

You lost me, I'm trying to think why you would say that but I only remember encountering them in the Underdark, I don't remember them being particularly flamboyant or anything?

No, it is literally that. That female gnome you track down for the runepowder vial for instance asks you to tell her (female) lover that she is dead. One of the gnomes participating in the dig asks you to save his "husband" trapped inside with Nere and both rant about it if you save them. Then there is Barcus and Wulbren. There are also more I probably don't remember.

That is I think the most woke thing in this game. There are more homossexual couples than straight ones. Older games usually went the route of placing one token pair of sodomites somewhere for being INCLOOSIVE. Larian took it deeper and made faerun a land of faggotry.

One thing I will hand it to the belgians is that most homo couples in the game are lesbian. Less repugnant than shitpushers for sure.

The rare married couple near the Myconids hate each other and winning the quest is liberating the wife from her idiot husband or whatever.

Stunning and brave

Ok, but those two are dwarves.

 

[Cryomancer]

Cleric is pretty good

There is any D&D video game where clerics aren't pretty good?

The upper city could've been a piece of DLC they are adamant about not doing.

If Larian is doing a DLC IMO they should just pick some DOS1 "skill lines" and spells/skills and adapt into 5e spells and subclasses.

 

[Haplo]

As a solo character maybe not, but as part of a group cleric is certainly op. Shadowheart is by far the best companion to have as the only cleric. No other class comes close on the matter of buffing and utility.

Combined with Paladin it gets even more ridiculous. Bless + aura of protection with a 20 charisma pally means 5 + 1d4 on every single saving throw. That is seriously unbalanced. And it is not larian homebrewing, that is the ruleset.

The items in the game also push things in that direction. Hellrider's pride might be the single best item in the game even though most don't speak about it - that is considering how early you get it. It allows you to give your entire party blade ward as a bonus action.

I found most cleric subclasses rather dissapointing. Sure, its nice support. And Spirit Guardians lawnmower is a neat gimmick with the Radiant Orb + Reverbation items, particularly in Act 2.
But frankly I will take just about any other caster instead. In particular Trickery Domain is terrible and redundant. Shadowheart was of little use when she wasn't buffing or lawnmowing the undead.

...untill I respecced her into Tempest Domain. That actually is a nice subclass. Not quite Sorc level of broken, but pretty great overall. Particularly with the Marko staff to actually access Chain Lightning.


You mentioned cleric supported by itemization... but frankly any class can use the Whispering Promise + Hellrider's Gloves. Particularly with the... uh... interesting decision to have those effects trigger from pots. And even more interesting decision to have being hit by a splash from an Elixir having the same effect as drinking an elixir. So you can throw an abundant minor healing pot between some of your characters and buff them with non-Concentration Bless and Blade Ward. But wait... throwing costs an attack/action. Maybe there's a better way?
Dropping from inventory is free (although limited range). But still need to break it for the splash. Bonus Action offhand x-bow shot? Hmm, not bad, now we're getting somewhere.
Oh, maybe make it a Spore Druid, who can use a Halo of Spores Reaction to heal & buff? Now that's action economy at its finest!

 

[Haplo]

Paladin is seriously overpowered in 5e isn't it? Along with Cleric. No other classes come close.

Two most powerful classes by far. Bard maybe 3rd place.

Also honour mode really makes the game so much better and more challenging. Specially on the matter of action economy. No more 9 attacks per round with fighter bs.

Swords Bard is probably the strongest martial (lol) class in BG3. Sorc is the best caster.

Y not both?

Sword Bard to Fluorish skewer trough 2 enemies with a Reach weapon, Paladin to smite them. Maybe add a touch of Blade Warlock, to realy on Charisma for Attacks, Damage and spellcasting. Make the Pal Devotion subclass, to add Charisma to Attack twice with Sacred Weapon...


Anyway, there are more martial classes that can be considered very strong: Battlemaster, Tiger Barbarian, level 11+ Hunter...

 

[Lacrymas]

Clerics have been a disappointment in 5E in general, most of their domains are awful and don't gel well with how the game is actually played and the only way to make them decent is to try to mimic better classes, like sorcerers. They are so awful in fact that I've retired my usual Cleric/Rogue builds and go with Paladin/Rogue instead.

 

[Desiderius]

Fast progression classes make the worst multi-classers in the single-classing-not-sucking era. The main draw of those classes is getting to high-level spells ASAP and any splash defeats the purpose.

As for Trickery Domain it's just not a great fit with Shadowheart's other features. I think I respecced her into Thief and Asstarion into Trickery Domain Cleric and both improved.

The two unique Stealth abilities have their uses (and open up different playstyles altogether if that's your thing) and Mirror Image is solid. Invoke Duplicity is super clunky but also available early and effective if you can get it to WAI. Still haven't figured out what exactly Invisibility does in contrast to just Stealth but if you can figure out a way to make it relevant it's there from the second Channel Divinity slot at lvl 6.

 

[Barbarian]

Life domain is op. At least with the itemization in this game. Burst healing and buffing the entire party at will as both action or bonus action is very powerful(free bless + blade ward for two rounds every time you do it without concentration involved). I respec'd shadowheart both this and the first playthrough. No real reason not to.

If you want the class to make more sense plotwise respect her after she rejects Shar(unless off course you prefer to keep her as a bpd weirdo with non-conventional haircut who goes on to murder her parents).

 

[Barbarian]

It sucks that there is no canonical bard companion.

I'm pretty sure they intended Alfira to be a companion but went with the gay bear druid because of redditors. Hence there are two recruitable druids with no bard.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

There was going to be a bard but it's unrelated to Halsin.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGat...ompanion_that_got_scrapped_because_of_halsin/

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Clerics have been a disappointment in 5E in general, most of their domains are awful and don't gel well with how the game is actually played and the only way to make them decent is to try to mimic better classes, like sorcerers. They are so awful in fact that I've retired my usual Cleric/Rogue builds and go with Paladin/Rogue instead.

"Paladin/Rogue"



Multi-classing on level up might be the worst mistake of "D&D 3rd edition".

 

[Cryomancer]

Multi-classing on level up might be the worst mistake of "D&D 3rd edition".

Yes!!! 2e -> Make sure that before multiclassing or picking a kit that the DM approves and fits the setting.

3e/5e -> I have a cleric of a lawful good deity, that is also a warlock of a chaotic evil demon and has levels of monk and barbarian.

BTW, in PF:WoTR you can be a cleric of Pharasma and follow Lich mythic path.

 

[Anthedon]

Multiclassing has been a mistake. Pathfinder just takes it to the absolute extreme and all but requires it at higher difficulties. Luckily you can finish BG3 without a Paladin/Necromancer/Monk/Warlock.

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

Multiclassing has been a mistake. Pathfinder just takes it to the absolute extreme and all but requires it at higher difficulties. Luckily you can finish BG3 without a Paladin/Necromancer/Monk/Warlock.

nah bro, i'm just gonna dip this one level, i swear, it's not like i have a problem or anything. i can quit any time i want