Baldur's Gate I was better than Baldur's Gate II

[Micormic]

In PST NPC interactions and story is basically the entire game, so yea, it has pretty good NPC interactions. Although your companions actually react to quest events only very rarely in PST if I recall correctly, whereas in BG2 they do it all the time. Arcanum? Really? Aside from the constant annoyance thats Virgil I cant think of a memorable companion interaction. Havent played Mask.

Not sure how you don't have dumbfuck tag yet. You are one of the dumbest fucking 'Dexers I've seen.

I actually have read your blog before since I thought it was interesting. I guess only dumbfucks can find your blog interesting. But after finding out you're such a confrontational asshole I won't be doing it again.

Well you are a retard dude. What do you expect, for people to call you intelligent and thought provoking? You're a moron with moronic opinions.

 

[Micormic]

I don't even like lilura or lilura's blog and I've never actually read lilura's blog but I'm about to become a regular reader of lilura's blog because of how much Shaewaroz and the other autists are crying about lilura and lilura's blog.

 

[Micormic]

OK, I think this thread has gone on long enough. All we need is an unbiased and prestigious source to determine which game is better.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=9453

/thread

Maybe if that poll was from 2004 or 2005 I'd take it serious. The fact that Morrowind is in the top 10 shows how many autistic cretins have crawled into the codex.


The opinion of the hivemind hasn't been valid for a long time, 10 years ago we didn't have people like you posting for example.

 

[Lilura]

I don't mind people tooting their own horn

That was tongue-in-cheek.

or having agenda-based arguments,

What do you mean by an "agenda-based" argument? I genuinely like BG more than BG2. I always have. I also genuinely hold the BG2 fanbase in contempt. They have shit-tier taste.

 

[Delterius]

Story/Writting.

koveras

 

[MajorMace]

delterius, I know the game is decades old, but you're getting dangerously close to spoiling a very, very good plot twist there

 

[Delterius]

Spoiler

the plot twist is that baldur's gate's writing is kinda dumb

 

[MajorMace]

Spoiler

actually the plot twist there is that bg has no c&c

 

[Alkarl]

I don't even like lilura or lilura's blog and I've never actually read lilura's blog but I'm about to become a regular reader of lilura's blog because of how much Shaewaroz and the other autists are crying about lilura and lilura's blog.

I recommend it, her technical pieces (in-depth engine, combat, and other mechanical misc) are pure incline. She makes NWN sound like a game worth playing.

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

Also, BG2 has one of the most obnoxious fanbases in the genre; definitely the most obnoxious of the core Renaissance era — worse even the Morrowind 'tards.

Morrowinders getting all high and mighty when they probably rented the game from a video store for their X-Box and then condemning my beautiful, majestic Daggerfall as antediluvian hogwash should invoke the death penalty.

Much like BG2 and its romances/super epic power fantasy plots, Morrowind is still a pretty good game but in some ways it was also the genesis of the downfall.

 

[J_C]

Also, because most of them have only played BG in the BG2 engine

I almost hate to ask but what exactly is wrong with playing BG1 with the BG2 engine? I have played BG1 with the original engine and with the BG2 engine. The sprites and the portraits you can just mod to look like BG1's.

There are more knowledgable people on the Codex than me on this topic, but IIRC it messes with the game balance a bit. For me, this is enough to stick to the vanilla version.

 

[Delterius]

She makes NWN sound like a game worth playing.

Nothing makes NwN worth playing.

Reading fan-made CYOAs, maybe.

 

[Bladeract]

People shitting on BG2 and Durlag's Tower... Bizarro World it is.

I praise virtues and criticize flaws.

Also, BG2 has one of the most obnoxious fanbases in the genre; definitely the most obnoxious of the core Renaissance era — worse even the Morrowind 'tards. From reddit to the 'Dex, they're all the same in thinking they're elite when they actually squat on the lower rungs.

They are clueless on what constitutes tactical combat systems, clueless on what constitutes reactivity, clueless on what constitutes good writing, and even clueless in regard to aesthetics.

95% of them are out-and-out munchkins, too.

Also, because most of them have only played BG in the BG2 engine, they generally gravitate to and embrace the EEs.

Thus, as a rule of thumb, they are noxious scum.

If you weren't a rabid BG 1 fan this might have some weight, since you do not sure if sad or funny. IE games are all guilty pleasures at best. Also BG 2 engine is better for BG 1. I have played both ways and at least in BG 2 the crap encounters zero challenge or point are not too time consuming.

 

[Alkarl]

She makes NWN sound like a game worth playing.

Nothing makes NwN worth playing.

Reading fan-made CYOAs, maybe.

Ultimately, this is the truth.

 

[ScrotumBroth]

Also, because most of them have only played BG in the BG2 engine

I almost hate to ask but what exactly is wrong with playing BG1 with the BG2 engine? I have played BG1 with the original engine and with the BG2 engine. The sprites and the portraits you can just mod to look like BG1's.

There are more knowledgable people on the Codex than me on this topic, but IIRC it messes with the game balance a bit. For me, this is enough to stick to the vanilla version.

You've got the gist of it.
It speeds up movement and spells, which messes up with dynamic badly. Magic missiles, fireballs etc. are super fast, meant for BG2 tactical combat where you counter 3 steps ahead.
Example, when you come back from the first mine, a bard assassin waits for you near the inn. It was a difficult fight to begin with, but now he can decimate the party due to his high level spells reaching you faster.

But it's also about aesthetics. I'm not a fan of narrow human fighter model in BG2, BG1 actually looks wide shouldered and imposing.

It's fun to use that fan mod and combine the games in one engine for veteran players, but I wouldn't recommend it for first time or to anyone seeking pure BG1 experience.

 

[ScrotumBroth]

While playing it for the first/second/third time, I always thought they've wasted two perfectly good plot points:

1. The betrayer in your party. It should've been one of your old party members from BG I, which would also explain how you were captured (he/she drugged your food). CHARNAME should've known about his/her existence since Irenicus' Dungeon, and a solid chunk of party interactions/quests should have revolved around discovering his/her identity.

2. During the "vision quest" in Spellhold, while having your soul sucked out, Imoen points out how to battle the Essence of Bhaal, claiming that "he" showed her how to do it. At the time I knew it wasn't Irenicus, since he had no reason to instruct her, so I actually got excited and thought that a mysterious third player was acting in the background...and nothing. I actually wrote David Gaider some 5-6 years ago, and he confirmed that this was one of the largest pieces of cut content, but would not/could not expand on it.

Holy shit, that is real juicy information.
My personal take was that Imoen wasn't really Imoen, but CHARNAME's good side which he sees as Imoen, since he holds her in heavenly regard. So in my interpretation, with Bhaal constantly fighting with your good side, he inadvertently exposed his weakness.
Sort of in line with the whole Nietzsche's "gaze into abyss" line, only reversed.

I really want to know what David had in mind. Damn the cuts!

 

[Shadenuat]

All that time and BG2 was still supposed to be BIGGER

I wanna 500 hour BG Trilogy with all cut content

 

[Lilura]

I recommend it, her technical pieces (in-depth engine, combat, and other mechanical misc) are pure incline.

Since you left that kind and factual comment, here are few reasons why you should save the blog locally (if any of its content is useful to you for reference purposes):

1. I may change domains and put up a paywall (not that I need the money, but a crippled preview mode would annoy the fuck out of non-payers)
2. I may make the blog private (so that only the anointed ones may read it)
3. I may simply delete the blog entirely (because, at the end of the day, who cares!)

So yeah, just a heads-up.

She makes NWN sound like a game worth playing.

Swordflight is definitely worth playing. It's true that 99% of the stuff on the Vault is shit, though.

 

[Electryon]

There are certainly elements of BG1 that are better, namely that open-ended sense of a low-level D&D adventure, it's danger, and it's wonder. But it's really impossible to separate ANY level of this saga from the others. Taken together, it is and will forever remain the truest video game representation of an absolutely massive D&D campaign. The first game nearly perfectly mimics the low-levels, the sequel the mid-tier, and Throne of Bhaal the epic levels. In Baldur's Gate, you go from being a nearly helpless child who can get killed by a single wolf to attaining the status of an actual god.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

There are certainly elements of BG1 that are better, namely that open-ended sense of a low-level D&D adventure, it's danger, and it's wonder. But it's really impossible to separate ANY level of this saga from the others. Taken together, it is and will forever remain the truest video game representation of an absolutely massive D&D campaign. The first game nearly perfectly mimics the low-levels, the sequel the mid-tier, and Throne of Bhaal the epic levels. In Baldur's Gate, you go from being a nearly helpless child who can get killed by a single wolf to attaining the status of an actual god.

low-level D&D adventures are more fun

 

[octavius]

I recommend it, her technical pieces (in-depth engine, combat, and other mechanical misc) are pure incline.

Since you left that kind and factual comment, here are few reasons why you should save the blog locally (if any of its content is useful to you for reference purposes):

1. I may change domains and put up a paywall (not that I need the money, but a crippled preview mode would annoy the fuck out of non-payers)
2. I may make the blog private (so that only the anointed ones may read it)
3. I may simply delete the blog entirely (because, at the end of the day, who cares!)

Women are as fickle as April weather.

BTW, you forgot to list the ultimate bitch move.

 

[Lyric Suite]

I just noticed something. Is it just me or does Alora look exactly like Jennifer Tilly?

I bet an artist at Bioware was pausing his VHS tape while watching Tilly's "assets" in Liar Liar.

The Viconia portrait in BG2 was traced over some porn photo. You are probably absolutely right.

 

[Theldaran]

Virgin fappers wrote BG2 romances, that explains it all.

 

[Micormic]

3. I may simply delete the blog entirely (because, at the end of the day, who cares!)

If you, lilura decide to delete lilura's blog after I have just become a lilura's blog reader and commentator then I will literally kill myself because I don't be able to read lilura's blog anymore...

 

[Lilura]

It's cool how you can choose to anoint readers without having to make them authors (because authors can only be moderated after the fact).

Btw, anyone know what aspect of IWD2's UI facilitates tactics (an aspect of the UI that BG, BG2 and IWD lack but even PS:T has?)