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Cain on Games - Tim Cain's new YouTube channel

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Tim is fixing Arcanum bugs... what does he think of the UAP?

edit: doing a balancing pass on spells, thinks Harm damage shouldn't scale as much or have a cooldown (!!!) - why not just make it cost more fatigue? It's just too easy to spam.
 

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why not just make it cost more fatigue? It's just too easy to spam.
Not really much of a deterrent as long as you fill your inventory with mana potions.
a mana cost of 20 would mean you can cast it ~twice on a medium level (twice and then passing out on lower levels). I don't think the mana potion route would be sustainable in that case. Even a cost of 15 might suffice and would definitely be warranted considering the spell's power.

EDIT: straight from the horse's mouth:

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Great video and nice to see him just doing some work on the actual Arcanum source code. :salute:

And as stated, he does not currently own the IP and cannot release this work as a patch or whatever, but the current (as of 2023) is M$. Entirely possible (some day) they would be ok with this update of the work he has done.

He mentioned he might take a look at Vampire. Really looking forward to that one too.
 
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I talk about my work on making Arcanum a native Windows 10 executable...and why I cannot release it.
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I don't buy it. He can make mods like any other people. The only difference is that he'd be doing it using the source code that he owns. He's not bound contractually to any special treatment, he'd be just like any other modder. As a modder, he can release the diff patch for the current .exe.
He's just being a drama queen. He also clearly wants Microsoft to pay him for essentially a mod. Good luck with that. I'd throw a few dollars his way if he simply opened a Patreon and started modding. But he wants to be the drama queen.
 

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Did Bethesda authorize an Obsidian staff member to make his own mod for New Vegas? Or he did it anyways, even without being given the green light?
I'm pretty sure there was an "official" mod for Fallout: New Vegas, but I never gave it a go, so I'm not gonna recall all details about it.
 

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I don't buy it. He can make mods like any other people. The only difference is that he'd be doing it using the source code that he owns. He's not bound contractually to any special treatment, he'd be just like any other modder. As a modder, he can release the diff patch for the current .exe.
Most mods are not strictly legal even if game companies generally don't do anything to stop them. A patch also isn't automatically free of copyright - and a patch upgrading an executable to one compiled with a much newer compiler will likely contain almost the whole new executable. I'm all for ignoring copyright where you can get away with it but I can also understand how someone who is himself still in the industry (even if semi-retired) would want to keep things 100% kosher. Also, whatever agreement allowed him to keep the source code could have additional teeth.

Now of course should the source code or a patched executable just appear somewhere on the net then who could say that Tim had anything to do with it...

He's just being a drama queen. He also clearly wants Microsoft to pay him for essentially a mod. Good luck with that.
What, remasters never happen? Or do you think the developers making them work for free?

But yeah, he could just ask Microsoft for permission to release an unofficial patched .exe. What incentive do they have to say no?
 

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Did Bethesda authorize an Obsidian staff member to make his own mod for New Vegas? Or he did it anyways, even without being given the green light?
I'm pretty sure there was an "official" mod for Fallout: New Vegas, but I never gave it a go, so I'm not gonna recall all details about it.
Sawyer made the mod purely for himself and then released it due to public demand. It's not official, he merely worked on it.

Back in the early 00s, Gaider released a mod for Throne of Bhaal (changing the ending and restoring the other bosses to their pre-playtester-feedback unnerfed states).
 

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Did Bethesda authorize an Obsidian staff member to make his own mod for New Vegas? Or he did it anyways, even without being given the green light?
I'm pretty sure there was an "official" mod for Fallout: New Vegas, but I never gave it a go, so I'm not gonna recall all details about it.
Sawyer made the mod purely for himself and then released it due to public demand. It's not official, he merely worked on it.

Back in the early 00s, Gaider released a mod for Throne of Bhaal (changing the ending and restoring the other bosses to their pre-playtester-feedback unnerfed states).
Yeah, not exactly official, which is why I used "official". :P
But did he contact Bethesda, prior to releasing the mod publicly?
 

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Tim is being an over-sensitive cautious nerd about this. He could release a binary diff patcher, getting around the compiled from source contract concerns
 

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Yeah, not exactly official, which is why I used "official". :P
But did he contact Bethesda, prior to releasing the mod publicly?
Such things are unnecessary. If Bethesda didn't want people making and putting mods out there, they wouldn't have gone through the great effort of making and releasing user friendly mod tools.

Tim is being an over-sensitive cautious nerd about this. He could release a binary diff patcher, getting around the compiled from source contract concerns
The idea that Microsoft/Activison would sue him or deliver a C&D for improving one of their products for free is ludicrous. As far as I know, no one has ever been in trouble legally for releasing a mod or an unofficial patch to a game.
 

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He mentioned he might take a look at Vampire. Really looking forward to that one too.

Yes, but I'm even more looking forward to him taking a "look" at TOEE... like, a really hard look. Something that makes it playable. I'd rather watch a Cain video of an improved TOEE than play it in its current state.
Co8 and Temple+ mods have got you covered!
Install those and you should be good to go.
 

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Yeah, not exactly official, which is why I used "official". :P
But did he contact Bethesda, prior to releasing the mod publicly?
Such things are unnecessary. If Bethesda didn't want people making and putting mods out there, they wouldn't have gone through the great effort of making and releasing user friendly mod tools.
I know right?
Tim just has no guts, apparently. Just upload this bloody patch / mod, Timmy!
He is a coward.
 
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There’s a type of person who gets off on having something others want, dangling it in front of them and saying you can’t have it
It's called an anal-something personality, not anal-retentive, but something else? In infants, it manifests as them refusing to poo, retaining the poo within, until begged or until sufficient attention to the matter is given.

There's a famous phrase for it in Russian, popularized by a russian psychologist vlogger, called "programmist analnik". She says it often affects programmers.
 

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Tim is being an over-sensitive cautious nerd about this. He could release a binary diff patcher, getting around the compiled from source contract concerns
The idea that Microsoft/Activison would sue him or deliver a C&D for improving one of their products for free is ludicrous.
Yes, would be unlikely for Microsoft. But still possible and even without legal action there might be consequences for someone that still wants to keep open the possibility of working with them in the future.

As far as I know, no one has ever been in trouble legally for releasing a mod or an unofficial patch to a game.
https://www.techspot.com/news/83353-take-two-sues-modder-over-red-dead-redemption.html
https://www.gamedeveloper.com/busin...hind-i-gta-i-reverse-engineering-project-re3-
Even with a settlement in the end that can be more trouble than helping other people out without payment is worth.
 

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Tim is being an over-sensitive cautious nerd about this. He could release a binary diff patcher, getting around the compiled from source contract concerns
Yep.
Let's hope he get's his computer hacked by some mysterious hero.
 

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Yes, would be unlikely for Microsoft. But still possible and even without legal action there might be consequences for someone that still wants to keep open the possibility of working with them in the future.
Guy's supposed to be retiring.

While technically true, those situations are different. They're not patching PC games and Take Two has not gone after people who have released regular mods for their games.
 

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I suppose that in theory, a game developer modding his own game might be in more legal jeopardy than a random modder since he's exploiting proprietary "inside information" to produce the mod.
 

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Guy's supposed to be retiring.
He doesn't seem to be too eager to leave behind the game industry for good to me. And even if he does stop dragging his feet on that he might end up getting bored and want to come back. No reason to reduce his future options, especially not without exhausting other ways to get the patch released (i.e. with Microsoft's approval).

While technically true, those situations are different. They're not patching PC games and Take Two has not gone after people who have released regular mods for their games.
Notwithstanding moving goalpost, re3 absolutely does fix bugs in a PC game. And Tim releasing a patch based on private source code would also not be a "regular" mod either. Not exactly the same as a patch from reverse-engineered sources but also not completely different.

In a saner world such a patch would be a non-issue since it pretty much benefits everyone but...
 

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I suppose that in theory, a game developer modding his own game might be in more legal jeopardy than a random modder since he's exploiting proprietary "inside information" to produce the mod.
Maybe his dog or husband could accidentally upload it to their open Google Drive account. What a whoopsie that would be.
 
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Is the dog-husband also going to upload Tim's unpublished book on torrents, a book which he has written, to which he has all rights, which he has physical copies of, and which he could self-publish on amazon, but refuses, yet keeps flashing and dangling in his videos?
 

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There’s a type of person who gets off on having something others want, dangling it in front of them and saying you can’t have it
It's called an anal-something personality, not anal-retentive, but something else? In infants, it manifests as them refusing to poo, retaining the poo within, until begged or until sufficient attention to the matter is given.

do infants with the opposite personality type grow up to be shitposters?
 

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