Official RPG Codex Discord Server

  1. Welcome to rpgcodex.net, a site dedicated to discussing computer based role-playing games in a free and open fashion. We're less strict than other forums, but please refer to the rules.

    "This message is awaiting moderator approval": All new users must pass through our moderation queue before they will be able to post normally. Until your account has "passed" your posts will only be visible to yourself (and moderators) until they are approved. Give us a week to get around to approving / deleting / ignoring your mundane opinion on crap before hassling us about it. Once you have passed the moderation period (think of it as a test), you will be able to post normally, just like all the other retards.
    Dismiss Notice

CD Projekt's CYBERPUNK 2077 Release Thread - The Next Gen Update

Discussion in 'CD Projekt Red' started by Sam Ecorners, Dec 10, 2020.

  1. AwesomeButton Proud owner of BG 3: Day of Swen's Tentacle Patron

    AwesomeButton
    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2014
    Messages:
    13,144
    Location:
    At large
    PC RPG Website of the Year, 2015 Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy Insert Title Here RPG Wokedex Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    Ah, that's true. Polish in TW3 was worse even than English.
     
    • No No x 2
    • Agree Agree x 1
    ^ Top  
  2. AwesomeButton Proud owner of BG 3: Day of Swen's Tentacle Patron

    AwesomeButton
    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2014
    Messages:
    13,144
    Location:
    At large
    PC RPG Website of the Year, 2015 Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy Insert Title Here RPG Wokedex Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    It's not a quest at all. It's a videopresentation where you press the F key to progress to the next scene.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • incline incline x 1
    ^ Top  
  3. AwesomeButton Proud owner of BG 3: Day of Swen's Tentacle Patron

    AwesomeButton
    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2014
    Messages:
    13,144
    Location:
    At large
    PC RPG Website of the Year, 2015 Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy Insert Title Here RPG Wokedex Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    It's a lot of minigames to waste time on - races in NFS camera perspective, races in GTA 1 camera perspective, 3rd person shooter deathmatch, run and gun other players around town, and even (which is supposedly the main event) heists, which hardly anyone plays because you are always paired with some retard who will be a retard, die constantly or his connection will lag.
     
    ^ Top  
  4. Twiglard Poland Stronk Patron Sad Loser

    Twiglard
    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2014
    Messages:
    5,263
    Location:
    Poland
    Strap Yourselves In
    English in TW3 is flat and boring. I'm sick and tired of Britcuck accents in period TV shows.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    ^ Top  
  5. It is the best language of the game when it comes to voice acting...
     
    • retadred retadred x 3
    • WTF am I reading WTF am I reading x 1
    • Disgusting! Disgusting! x 1
    ^ Top  
  6.  
    • I found this text to be too long and as such I didn't read it I found this text to be too long and as such I didn't read it x 4
    • Excited! Excited! x 2
    • honk honk! honk honk! x 1
    • retadred retadred x 1
    ^ Top  
  7. ekrolo2 Learned

    ekrolo2
    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2019
    Messages:
    197
    Besides some of the kids I can't name a bad VA performance in Witcher 3. Even Geralt is vastly better with his memories and personality restored.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    ^ Top  
  8. moon knight Matt7895's alt

    moon knight
    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2015
    Messages:
    978
    Location:
    Italy
    I prefer The Witcher 2 Geralt. More chill, more natural voice, less forced grumpiness.

     
    • Agree Agree x 5
    ^ Top  
  9. Yosharian Magister

    Yosharian
    Joined:
    May 28, 2018
    Messages:
    6,312
    Location:
    Hammerfell
    It's just sad, at this point.
     
    • Despair Despair x 3
    • Disagree Disagree x 2
    ^ Top  
  10. passerby Arcane

    passerby
    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2016
    Messages:
    1,857
    All higher up creatives at CDPR are artists, it's run by wannabe movie directors, who had no chance to break into movie industry as nerdy potatoes.

    They don't understand, or even like games and they will never even acknowledge, that the biggest problem with CP2077 are not the bugs.
    Gameplay systems design and programming make like 5% of the budget of CDPR games and they are so set up in their ways, that their games are destined forever to have great art and subpar gameplay.

    Cyberpunk Online ( if it won't get cancelled that is ) will fail miserably at replicating GTA5 Online success, just like they failed to replicate Hearthstone success with Gwent, where they've overspent on art and gameplay was becomming a bigger mess with each update.
    This company fundamentally lacks a culture necessary to create a polished, gameplay driven game.
     
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2021
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Acknowledge this user's Agenda Acknowledge this user's Agenda x 1
    • Despair Despair x 1
    • Interesting Interesting x 1
    ^ Top  
  11. AwesomeButton Proud owner of BG 3: Day of Swen's Tentacle Patron

    AwesomeButton
    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2014
    Messages:
    13,144
    Location:
    At large
    PC RPG Website of the Year, 2015 Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy Insert Title Here RPG Wokedex Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    Crazy Isabella unleashes the Cyber-Counter-Reformation with her own sources from CDPR:
    (beware she is a massive fangirl)
     
    • Thanks! Thanks! x 1
    • M'lady M'lady x 1
    ^ Top  
  12. Xeon Augur

    Xeon
    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2013
    Messages:
    1,858
    Huh, IIRC this girl hated the first person only gameplay and said she'll not play the game or something so I kinda thought she will hate the game, not become a fangirl.
     
    • M'lady M'lady x 1
    ^ Top  
  13. highly functioning autist Novice

    highly functioning autist
    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2019
    Messages:
    20
    Even being a fangirl didn't stop her to piss on Badowski's head. Colour me fucking surprised but at least I had some giggles after he clashed on twitter with another tumor of this shitty 'industry' Jason "Star of David" Shrier.
     
    ^ Top  
  14. Zer0wing Cipher

    Zer0wing
    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2017
    Messages:
    2,607
    This default wolf school medalion health bar always gets me. TW2 may be jank beyond TW1 and Demon Souls could only imagine to be and sometimes an actual turd but it sure has its moments. Fuck, this is the most wrong time an place to be nostalgic about The Janker 2 since Cyberpunk, despite being made by same people, nullifies everything these people had achieved with 2nd Witcher game.
    :negative:
     
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2021
    • Participation Award Participation Award x 1
    ^ Top  
  15. passerby Arcane

    passerby
    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2016
    Messages:
    1,857
    I think this may be the beginning of the downfall of this company

    It's run by artists that don't understand, or respect the technical work behind the product, so while artists were treated relatively well, programmers where paid about 25% of a western dev wage and crunched all the time.
    I wouldn't be surprised if most of technical team after fixing worst bugs will just fuck off and there will be no one left to code missing pedestrian / driving ai and wanted system ( if studio leads would ever acknowledge it as an issue ).

    For 10 years they relied on cheap local labor, paid potato wages and gave their emplyees potato treatment, so most talented people after getting 1-2 years of experience at CDPR emigrated for senior positions on the west.
    If they were less griddy and paid at least 50% of western wages, these people would most likely stay, at this point probably only people with no experience are willing to take CDPR gig.

    After this whole mess and controversy with working conditions, I can't imagine many people from outside of patatoland willing to work there.
    They'll experience great difficulty finding experienced talent willing to work for them now, even some less passionate about their projects artists may start jumping the ship.
     
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2021
    • Agree x 4
    • Despair x 2
    • Acknowledge this user's Agenda x 1
    • FAKE NEWS x 1
    • [citation needed] x 1
    ^ Top  
  16. Zeriel Arcane

    Zeriel
    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2012
    Messages:
    10,256
    The project was rebooted in 2018 and a lot of the old staff left. Same old story with CDPR, they had that happen on Witcher 1 -> 2, again from 2 -> 3, and again after 3's launch. Only this time they ran out of luck.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Despair Despair x 2
    • [citation needed] [citation needed] x 1
    ^ Top  
  17. IThinkTheWorldShouldBurn. Novice

    IThinkTheWorldShouldBurn.
    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2021
    Messages:
    76
    I should have known to keep popcorn in the house, it's all just getting more farcical.

    Badowski has now decided to reply.

     
    • Shit x 3
    • Brofist x 1
    • Funny x 1
    • meh x 1
    • How DARE you!?? x 1
    • Old x 1
    ^ Top  
  18. AwesomeButton Proud owner of BG 3: Day of Swen's Tentacle Patron

    AwesomeButton
    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2014
    Messages:
    13,144
    Location:
    At large
    PC RPG Website of the Year, 2015 Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy Insert Title Here RPG Wokedex Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    Wouldn't surprise me if badmouthing CDPR over crunch was part of an orchestrated strategy to cut the flow of western devs and undermine CDPR's future projects. The big western companies would really want to kill CDPR because CDPR works cheap, produces good stuff with its own inimitable style (until CP77), and serves as an example that MTX isn't a necessity to produce big open world games. With the level of influence big publishers have over mainstream gaming UK/US-based shitholes, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the average commie fervor against exploiting the workers is being encouraged.
     
    • Makes you think... x 4
    • Brofist x 3
    • Agree x 1
    • Despair x 1
    • Shit x 1
    • what? x 1
    ^ Top  
  19. mediocrepoet First disciple of Mediocrites Patron

    mediocrepoet
    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2009
    Messages:
    4,505
    Location:
    The Pit of Existential Despair
    Codex 2012 MCA Project: Eternity Divinity: Original Sin 2
    I decided to wrap up my play through last night, having completed most of the side quests and activities. There are some left over to either pick off later or do on a subsequent playthrough / if I feel like trying to 100% this thing. I've seen two of the available endings so far and they were both appropriate and pretty hard hitting. Not many games move me, but this one did. The narrative is very well done.

    I've said this before, but I'll reiterate. This isn't really an RPG. If you think Borderlands with more story elements or Deus Ex with more shooting is an RPG, then fine, it's an RPG (but you're wrong).

    That being said, I didn't really care that it wasn't an RPG. I didn't follow the marketing much other than the news that they changed the RPG description to be an open world action adventure or something during development, and to see some of the videos where it looked like a GTA mod. As a result, I didn't have sky high expectations for the game, so it managed to exceed my expectations in pretty much every way. There are some bugs that would be good to work out, but they were fairly minor (graphical glitches, etc.) with the only major bug that actually irritated me being the behaviour of police. The police, as noted around don't really chase much and are ridiculously easy to evade, but also they sometimes just disappear. One time I grenaded a group of Netwatch officers because I felt like it and got into this major shoot out with the police. I took cover around a corner and... they all disappeared like I was in the Twilight Zone. I LARPed that V's brain glitched out again and moved on, but it still sucked.

    I get why this isn't everyone's cup of tea, but I thought it was awesome due to its presentation. It's probably the best looking game I've played to date, although I mostly play RPGs and strategy games, so this isn't necessarily a high bar to clear. The game presents all sorts of stuff I imagined as a kid reading cyberpunk novels or playing Shadowrun tabletop (which is similar in a lot of ways to Cyberpunk 2020, if CP2020 was crossed with D&D elements like orcs, dragons, and magic). The glow of the neon lights at night, the rain, smart bullets whizzing around and changing direction in flight due to their microprocessors, wired reflexes that you can kick in and wipe out a room of guys before they know you're there, etc., etc. while still being screwed over by megacorps because it doesn't matter how badass you are when the entire system is rigged against you. Normally I'm against most nudity and sex in games because I think it's gratuitous and out of place. Here, I found the sex scenes fairly cringey, but the nudity and presentation of sexuality and objectification fit with the setting very well. So whether the game has Ultima VII level NPC schedules and created a "living world" or whatever the fuck doesn't matter to me. They have presented the world, setting, and genre in a way that hit all the right points for me as a fan of the cyberpunk genre and made me geek out in a way that few games do.

    All in all, with a PC that can run it at a reasonable frame rate* I'd have to say this is my GOTY overall. It's the best game I played across all systems. It is NOT the best RPG I've played and I would not classify it as an RPG at all except maybe in some RPG-lite subcategory full of shooters with skill customization and dialog like Borderlands, Deus Ex, or Mass Effect.

    Final verdict: I rate the game at :bounce: out of :neveraskedforthis:

    Tech note:
    I ran the game at 2560 x 1440 at mostly a mixture of high and ultra settings, with ray tracing generally turned off and not using DLSS. At times I turned ray tracing on and also turned on DLSS, but overall, I found not using DLSS or ray tracing to be the better option.

    * say 40+, depending on your preferences - there's a chart on GOG that gives benchmarks to hit around 40+ FPS at given settings if you're not sure if your potato will run it.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 9
    • Acknowledge this user's Agenda Acknowledge this user's Agenda x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Balanced Balanced x 1
    ^ Top  
  20. IThinkTheWorldShouldBurn. Novice

    IThinkTheWorldShouldBurn.
    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2021
    Messages:
    76
    2016, after 3 years work had already been put in... Doesn't matter how long they've 'been working' on it, they told us about it 2012 and we've been expecting it since then.. So yes, they have taken 8 years to give it to us, it's irrelevant how much of that time they spent pissing around.
     
    • Participation Award Participation Award x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
    ^ Top  
  21. Zer0wing Cipher

    Zer0wing
    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2017
    Messages:
    2,607
    But not twice! Cyberpunk 2077 was rebooted in 2016, not started developing. And in 2018, even thought it was more of a soft-reboot, from the original rags to rich legends story to what was presented to us in their final build, it still counts since the whole beginning of the game was scrapped.
     
    ^ Top  
  22. Zeriel Arcane

    Zeriel
    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2012
    Messages:
    10,256
    The more important thing there is the people who were in charge of and championing the original design left the company. That's the point I was making, not that that excuses what they released. I want CDPR to fucking go down in flames.
     
    • Shit Shit x 1
    ^ Top  
  23. Hóngwèibīng Arcane Vatnik Wumao

    Hóngwèibīng
    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    14,176
    Location:
    пустыня
    Never trust Poles.
     
    • Agree x 5
    • Racist x 2
    • Participation Award x 1
    • Acknowledge this user's Agenda x 1
    • How about this as a button x 1
    • Edgy x 1
    • butthurt x 1
    ^ Top  
  24. J_C One Bit Studio Patron Developer Sad Loser

    J_C
    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2010
    Messages:
    16,862
    Location:
    Pannonia
    Project: Eternity Wasteland 2 Shadorwun: Hong Kong
    I just can't listen to this, her voice makes me physically uncomfortable.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Despair Despair x 1
    ^ Top  
  25. Tyrr Savant

    Tyrr
    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2020
    Messages:
    875
    She looks and sounds like someone who wants to talk with the manager.
     
    • Funny Funny x 4
    • Balanced Balanced x 1
    ^ Top  

As an Amazon Associate, rpgcodex.net earns from qualifying purchases.