CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

[T.Ashpool]

badowski should step down because he is a shit game director. there are people with lots of skill at cdpr (especially in the art and writing department) and he wasted their talents making the game a eurojank ubisoft game. them rebooting the game in 2016 and making it first person was a huge mistake. everyone should have seen the trainwreck coming especially the game director who gets paid lots of money to anticipate these things but no he wanted to compete with rockstar in half the time with half the people

 

[Riddler]

It's not about the sales, it's about their reputation.
I'm not sure why that's so hard to understand. People bought this game on the back of Witcher 3's reputation. What do you think that will do to their next game?

Finally someone who understands this. Stocks value (and CDPRD IS a public company) depends a lot on reputation. Look at Tesla: they produce crappy EVs that catch fire, even when they're parked in a garage, and have an autopilot with suicidal tendencies and yet they market cap is bigger than GM just because people believe Elon Musk is a sort of genius.

 

[Harthwain]

The moment I read "hurr durr the E3 demo was fake" I was like

. What the fuck does it even mean for a demo to be "fake"? Immediately sounded like a bullshit buzzword to me. Badowski is right to blast Schreier for that schtick.

Indeed:



There ARE differences, but you really have to watch it side-by-side to spot them (also, the retail version is... better?) and this doesn't really amount to justify saying it was a "different end product than the one shown at E3" (I am assuming that's what he meant), especially when gameplay-wise it's pretty much the same.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

polish cope squad out in full force
you're going to be living in mudhuts after this disaster lmao

it's like the holocaust all over again, except this one actually happened

 

[Perkel]

Tried polish language.. lol. Incomparable to english version. Feels like watching some soap drama. Definitely do not recommend anyone playing like that.

 

[Harthwain]

...?

 

[Naraya]

Tried polish language.. lol. Incomparable to english version. Feels like watching some soap drama. Definitely do not recommend anyone playing like that.

And I was pleasantly surprised (the only other game I played in PL was TW3 and it was just excellent).

 

[Twiglard]

Tried polish language.. lol. Incomparable to english version. Feels like watching some soap drama. Definitely do not recommend anyone playing like that.

And I was pleasantly surprised (the only other game I played in PL was TW3 and it was just excellent).

Witcher 1 was also great in Polish. Even Enhanced Edition has a bad English translation. Plain, no character whatsoever.

 

[Ibn Sina]

Anyone who links videos from that parasite, that gook yonggea deserve an instant ban.

 

[Correct_Carlo]

So what's up with that Crucifixion quest, Sinnerman? It was, by far, the strangest quest I've ever played in an RPG. I mean, lots of RPG's have "lol, so random" quests, but this wasn't the sort of strange that was "lol random." It totally fit with the tone of the world and the universe, showing how degraded humanity has become in the universe, yet, despite this, it still has a drive to find meaning in faith and God. Or something. I honestly cannot, for the life of me, get what the writers were trying to say about God and faith through it, other than, perhaps, that man's drive for faith has been corrupted and commodified by the universe's glorification of violence and corporate culture.

Honestly, from that perspective, I kind of respect it, as it might be a comment on televangelists and the commodification of religion, but those things aren't a problem in Poland. So maybe it's about the glorification of martyrdom and violence among Catholics? It's possible I'm reading too much into it and giving it too much credit. I suspect it might be shit, but it'd definitely brought some of the game's themes into focus that I wasn't paying attention to and will now look out for a bit more.

 

[Konjad]

Poland in 2023 after CDPR is unable to sell any games and their economy no longer exists

CDPR tanking could actually be a blessing for Poland. They sold their souls to the West already, while at the same time sucking all the developers from around Poland to their company, and Polish companies making good games (like Vendetta) have no developers causing their games to be technically broken on release and take years to fix, but that often is too late and these games flop even if they end up being great afterwards.

Though Witchers were quite good even if popamole, so I had positive look on CDPR overall, but CP77 kinda proved the company is just derailing. Just as Witcher was much better than Witcher 3, CP is much worse than WItcher 3.

 

[Rahdulan]

In general the article feels WAY more bombastic and sensational and dogpily than Schreiers previous analyses for Kotak, especially for Andromeda and Anthem.

What he's saying could be 100% true for all we random people on the internet know, but what's obvious is that he IS blatantly chasing the clicks he got from those two earlier exposes down to signature "developer magic" phrase. Something he didn't necessarily count on, that you can see in like/dislike ratio on Iwinski's apology video, is people are still holding out hope CDPR will deliver and generally haven't forsaken them outright like they did with Bioware's two disasters.

 

[Justicar]

So what's up with that Crucifixion quest? It was, by far, the strangest quest I've ever played in an RPG. I mean, lots of RPG's have "lol, so random" quests, but this wasn't random. It totally fit with the tone of the world and the universe, showing how degraded everyone is to feel something and find meaning, and how that perverse drive has been reflected, perversely, in man's need for faith in a higher power. However, I cannot, for the life of me, get what the writers were trying to say about God and faith through it, other than, perhaps, that man's drive for faith in this universe has been perverted.

Still, it was really interesting. I suspect it might be shit and that I might be giving it too much credit, but it'd definitely brought some of the game's themes into focus that I wasn't paying attention to and will now look out for a bit more.

This guy explains it pretty good, timestamped the section about religion.

 

[MasPingon]

badowski should step down because he is a shit game director. there are people with lots of skill at cdpr (especially in the art and writing department) and he wasted their talents making the game a eurojank ubisoft game. them rebooting the game in 2016 and making it first person was a huge mistake. everyone should have seen the trainwreck coming especially the game director who gets paid lots of money to anticipate these things but no he wanted to compete with rockstar in half the time with half the people

Exactly, everything Badowski touch turns into shit. He was the Witcher 2 game director and he pushed the series into bad direction - his vision back then was to make The Witcher as interactive movie, choose your own adventure type of game. Thankfully he didn't have much power over The Witcher 3 creative decisions and you can tell it while playing the game.

 

[Twiglard]

Honestly, from that perspective, I kind of respect it, as it might be a comment on televangelists and the commodification of religion, but those things aren't a problem in Poland. [...]

The game world commodifies everything, including trannies. So it's not a stretch to extend this to religion. See also Lizzy Wheezy Wizzy. Suicide as a public spectacle meant to generate sales is apparent non-controversial high art, in a world so starved of authenticity.

CDPR tanking could actually be a blessing for Poland. They sold their souls to the West already, while at the same time sucking all the developers from around Poland to their company, and Polish companies making good games (like Vendetta) have no developers causing their games to be technically broken on release

There aren't enough good Polish AAA devs, that's going to make games worse. CDPR now has the half-finished tech for making modern world sandboxes so expect the next game to have less buggy or unimplemented systems. Anyway they did most of what Rockstar did from GTA 3 -> GTA 5, which is 7 games (minus shitty console exclusives).

The regulatory body was talking about broken marketing promises. Know which ones they mentioned exactly? I'd expect these to be features CDPR implements out of necessity.

 

[Gargaune]

Depends. Will their next game be called The Witcher 4? If yes, they'll get that money.

Very likely, after CBP multiplayer. It'll be called The Witcher 4: Ciri Does Redania and everyone will buy it. rusty_shackleford will buy it twice.

Wasn't this article made very shortly after the release? And before the announcement about refunding the game (after the issues with the game became apparent on all platforms)? If so, then that's not the full picture. Unless people really didn't feel like refunding.

If I recall correctly, the later 13 million total figure was after the refund policy was instated but before Sony rolled their Sneak Attack on CDPR. I don't believe the refunds hurt their sales that much, it's being pulled from PlayStation store that has everyone scrambling for cover.

Like I said, they are not out of the woods until they put the game back on the PS store:

I agree, but I also see CBP's return to the PS4 to be near certain and, after that, both sales figures and stock price will recover to within more manageable margins. It's Cyberpunk: Popamole With Friends Edition which I think will be their biggest hurdle on the new IP, both due to the PR fallout from this botched release and due to the lack of credentials CDPR had in the multiplayer sphere to begin with. Ironically, all this tech scandal's obscuring CBP's biggest problem - that it's mechanically mediocre. Then again, I've never played GTA Online and I have no idea what that demographic expects from a game.

 

[cvv]

Exactly, everything Badowski touch turns into shit. He was the Witcher 2 game director and he pushed the series into bad direction - his vision back then was to make The Witcher as interactive movie, choose your own adventure type of game. Thankfully he didn't have much power over The Witcher 3 creative decisions and you can tell it while playing the game.

How did he not have any power over the TW3 development? He was the CEO of the studio.

 

[Frozen]

Potatos still crying "give as another chance pleeease, throw money at us again we will do better next time ok?"

 

[MasPingon]

Exactly, everything Badowski touch turns into shit. He was the Witcher 2 game director and he pushed the series into bad direction - his vision back then was to make The Witcher as interactive movie, choose your own adventure type of game. Thankfully he didn't have much power over The Witcher 3 creative decisions and you can tell it while playing the game.

How did he not have any power over the TW3 development? He was the CEO of the studio.

Ok, he got some, but he wasn't creative director and CEO, like with CP2077.

 

[Mefi]

So what's up with that Crucifixion quest, Sinnerman? It was, by far, the strangest quest I've ever played in an RPG. I mean, lots of RPG's have "lol, so random" quests, but this wasn't the sort of strange that was "lol random." It totally fit with the tone of the world and the universe, showing how degraded humanity has become in the universe, yet, despite this, it still has a drive to find meaning in faith and God. Or something. I honestly cannot, for the life of me, get what the writers were trying to say about God and faith through it, other than, perhaps, that man's drive for faith has been corrupted and commodified by the universe's glorification of violence and corporate culture.

Honestly, from that perspective, I kind of respect it, as it might be a comment on televangelists and the commodification of religion, but those things aren't a problem in Poland. So maybe it's about the glorification of martyrdom and violence among Catholics? It's possible I'm reading too much into it and giving it too much credit. I suspect it might be shit, but it'd definitely brought some of the game's themes into focus that I wasn't paying attention to and will now look out for a bit more.

Will catch Justicar's video share in a bit but I thought it was very clever in how it got the player complicit in it too. Especially when contrasted with how it plays your interactions with the snuff film makers of the underworld. Another thing to it was how well the ingame fluff feeds into it - posters advertising it, the death penalty as entertainment, and how Christianity manifests in the city with violence at its core. Although to me, the religion wasn't so important as the reinforcement of the idea that it's a city of the damned where any kind of spirituality is scorned and those are themes picked up in other side missions.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Tried polish language.. lol. Incomparable to english version. Feels like watching some soap drama. Definitely do not recommend anyone playing like that.

Ah, that's true. Polish in TW3 was worse even than English.

 

[AwesomeButton]

So what's up with that Crucifixion quest, Sinnerman? It was, by far, the strangest quest I've ever played in an RPG.

It's not a quest at all. It's a videopresentation where you press the F key to progress to the next scene.

 

[AwesomeButton]

I've never played GTA Online and I have no idea what that demographic expects from a game.

It's a lot of minigames to waste time on - races in NFS camera perspective, races in GTA 1 camera perspective, 3rd person shooter deathmatch, run and gun other players around town, and even (which is supposedly the main event) heists, which hardly anyone plays because you are always paired with some retard who will be a retard, die constantly or his connection will lag.

 

[Twiglard]

Tried polish language.. lol. Incomparable to english version. Feels like watching some soap drama. Definitely do not recommend anyone playing like that.

Ah, that's true. Polish in TW3 was worse even than English.

English in TW3 is flat and boring. I'm sick and tired of Britcuck accents in period TV shows.

 

[Duralux for Durabux]

English in TW3 is flat and boring. I'm sick and tired of Britcuck accents in period TV shows.

It is the best language of the game when it comes to voice acting...