CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

[KK1001]

Redditors are what they are, but fuck CDPR's shady practices. I'll wait to play the game more when the GOTY (LOL) or enhanced edition comes out in like 18 months.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

 

[StaticSpine]

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/12/16/cyberpunk-2077-review/

Cyberpunk 2077 review
A big, beautiful and broken mess

I was in an NPC’s car as she drove us across Night City when a thought occurred to me. We were driving at night to perform a risky stealth mission, which required me to break into a compound filled with military security so we could, to put it briefly, hack the planet. On the drive, two cars spawned out of thin air in front of us, blocking the road, but my driver didn’t react. We plowed into one of the cars as if it wasn’t there, sending it twirling into the like it was stuffed with helium. Our own car wasn’t even slowed down.

The thought: Cyberpunk 2077 has as much in common with early ’00s Eurojank as it does with the Rockstar games it aspires to. I’m OK with this. If it’s a choice between a less polished Grand Theft Auto or a high budget Boiling Point, I’d choose the latter every time.

Eurojank games like Boiling Point, The Precursors, or even arguably the Stalker series, aimed for vast open worlds and absurd systemic complexity. It was an ambition far beyond their means and I’d not recommend most of these games to anyone, but the messy results were always exciting. While we now live in an era when open world games are commonplace, they’re mostly too sensibly scoped and carefully produced to swing for the fences.

I appreciate Cyberpunk 2077, then, which has the best looking hair I’ve ever seen in a game, but which is populated by NPCs who can’t pathfind around a parked car. A game with multiple choices which dramatically alter the story, but just as many story-stopping bugs. A first-person game that can theoretically claim to offer as many angles of approaches as an immersive sim like Dishonored or Deus Ex, but with RPG progression systems that make many of those available approaches dull or broken or both.



You play as V, a mercenary for hire within Night City. Based on your character creator choices, you can be either male or female – though your in-game pronouns are determined by which voice you choose, and your choice of voice is separate from any choices you make about your body, including your genitals. If you were hoping for better trans representation from the year 2077, you are going to be disappointed – this is no more advanced than 2011’s Saints Row 3.

You also choose from one of three life paths – I went for Street Kid, a person raised by the dealers and vagrants of Night City. This gave me unique dialogue options throughout the game, in which I could flex my knowledge of the city, and as a backstory it fits with my perception of the character. Night City, the game tells us again and again, is a deafening, overpopulated, suffocating place, and V’s life of crime is pitched as an attempt to rise above the din and make a name for themselves.

The other two options are Nomad, which starts you in the badlands outside of the city, and Corpo, which has you already living a life of corporate espionage in the offices of the city’s glittering skyscrapers. Whichever you choose, however, the game’s story will shunt you onto an identical path within the first couple of hours. Beyond those dialogue options, which do not change the story, there appears to be little that’s unique between the three paths.

These opening hours are the game at its best, however – and make no mistake, Cyberpunk 2077’s best is very good. The intro quickly introduces you to Jackie Welles, your partner in crime. Jackie showcases CDPR’s talent for writing loveable brutes, and your missions with him over the first ten hours are some of the most fun in the game.

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There’s a rip-roaring momentum to these missions as well, pulling you through a large chunk of the main story better than any other open world singleplayer game in recent memory. This is in spite of, or maybe because of, the stakes always being personal. The cyberpunk genre owes as much to noir detective stories as it does to science fiction, and as in those stories, Cyberpunk 2077 pitches against a world you have little hope of changing. You want to survive, you want to be remembered – or, a lot of the time, you just want to help your friends.

Jackie is eventually joined by a larger cast of criminal sidekicks, mission givers and potential romances, and I found each of them likeable and interesting. It’s in these relationships that the comparison to Grand Theft Auto is most stark, because of how differently both games approach a similar structure. Where Grand Theft Auto is relentlessly cynical and nihilistic, making you do terrible things for terrible people in every mission, Cyberpunk 2077 seems optimistic about humanity – and particularly people in the lower echelons of society. “Corporations are bad” isn’t a nuanced argument and neither is “people are good”, but I enjoyed spending 40 hours with people who enjoyed spending time with each other.

When the momentum breaks at the ten hour mark, it’s an opportunity to explore Night City. Around the same time, your car will be damaged and inaccessible for a while. Resist the temptation to buy a new one or fast travel and walk everywhere instead. Wander down the back alleys to find lantern-lit markets, gaze up at greeble-covered skyscrapers and staggering statues. The world is built upon decades of worldbuilding already done on Mike Pondsmith’s Cyberpunk TTRPG, and it shows in the detail and history visible in each of the city’s districts. It’s maybe the best walking sim ever made.

The other reason for this slowed pace is to nudge you towards the game’s side quests. There are dozens, including every kind you’d expect from a modern open world game, but among them are three chains of optional missions that are as involved as anything in the main plotline, and which can have a bearing on the game’s story. Structurally, I think this is a great idea – Cyberpunk 2077’s main story can be completed in a zippy 20 hours if you want it to be, but these critical side quests can almost double its length.



Unfortunately, this is where the most serious bugs reared their heads for me. RPS was not provided with early review code (“the review they didn’t want you to read” – 7/10), and so all my play time was after the day one patch, yet there were two chains of side quests that bugs rendered completely or partially unplayable. One simply did not trigger at all, while I had to abandon the other because it would crash to desktop at the same point on every attempt.

This is on top of several other game stopping bugs that forced me to reload old saves, as when critical NPCs would get stuck on scenery, and possibly hundreds more superficial glitches. I’ve seen NPCs phase through walls, I’ve been catapulted 200 meters while trying to climb through a window. I’ve had phone calls where the ‘answer’ button wouldn’t work, and some that happened on top of other phone calls that were already ongoing, with bits of mission critical dialogue crashing into each other. Objects floating in mid-air, characters fixed in T-poses, pedestrians who can’t walk up stairs…

Ultimately, these affected my enjoyment of the game only a little. Of greater impact were all the other systems that seem incomplete or poorly designed.



I mentioned before that pedestrians couldn’t pathfind around a parked car. Traffic will also not navigate around a parked car – or worse, around world geometry. Every car seems to drive as if on a single scripted path, and in places where that path hews too close to a wall, every car will simply strike the wall. If you’re in an AI-controlled car that’s in a tight space, it will spin as if on a turntable rather than be bound by the physics of the world. When you do the driving yourself – which you will do a lot over the course of the game – the driving most often feels like nothing at all regardless of the type of vehicle you’re in or the surface you’re on.

The bugs almost feel like a smokescreen, an optical hack to distract from the game’s largest problem, which is that its combat and RPG systems never cohere. As V, you’ll need to fight or sneak past the various gangs of Night City. One mission asks you to sneak through a shopping mall filled by the Animals, a gang of roidraging animal fanciers who look like they’re the striving children of Wolf from off of Gladiator. Another has you blasting away the Maelstrom, who look like their personal awakening happened the moment they saw Babyface from Toy Story 1. (I mean, look at their gang logo.)



The stealthing and blasting is your choice in each instance, and your success at either will be shaped in part by your weapons, cyberware, and your allocated attribute and perk points. None of this is well explained by the game, but it’s firmly in Borderlands territory. Enemies are bullet sponges that take half a dozen headshots or more to kill, and they drop guns you’ll scour for better damage-per-second stats. I’m not the biggest fan of systems like this, which replace the innate satisfaction of aiming and shooting for a dopamine drip of ever bigger numbers, and much of the game felt like a slog until the digits were in the 200s.

My preference in games like this is always to play stealthily, anyway. I want to sneak, to hack, and to preferably leave everyone alive. Cyberware, which can be purchased and installed by cyber surgeons around the city called ripperdocs, can tweak your abilities. I had an implant that made all my guns non-lethal, somehow stopping my shotgun bullets from finishing people off unless I shot them a final time when they were already downed. It feels like a cheat to make a Dishonored-style “no-kill” playthrough technically possible, without any of the ingenuity or satisfaction such a playstyle normally brings.

Then there’s attribute points, which can be spent across five categories and grant access to the perks inside. I initially focused on the “Cool” attribute, where the stealth perks lie, but the game’s systems for sneaking often feel too thin to make this a valid way of approaching the game. Enemy sight cones are hard to discern, alerting one person often alerts everyone, and there’s rarely an opportunity to reset guards to an unalert state short of reloading an older save. Instead, I more often than not fell back on straightforward combat when my attempts at sneaking were rumbled.

Most disappointing are the perks themselves. There are seemingly a hundred of them or more, spread across several trees under each attribute, but they’re almost all tiny stats changes that I can never bring myself to be excited about. ‘Handguns do 3% more damage’, ‘5% increase in chance to crit when attacking from stealth’, ‘10% movement speed increase after stealth takedown.’ The perks for hacking, engineering, gunning and movement are all similarly uninspiring. I ended up keeping my points in reserve for when specific opportunities arose to use a particular skill, such as when a door required a minimum level of Body or of Engineering to be broken or hacked open.



I’d bet good money there’s a way to spend your points surgically and stack them towards a particular, extreme and powerful build, one that combines with certain weapons and certain cyberware to do ridiculous things. I don’t know how you’d know how to do that short of waiting for the guide artists to tell you, particularly given there’s no way to re-assign attribute points and re-assigning perk points costs a staggering 100,000 of the in-game currency.

Not that it matters, ultimately. The game doesn’t want to tie your ability to advance the story to these progression systems anyway, meaning your choices in how you engage with them are broadly meaningless. I was 25 hours in before I realised that I should probably switch from the clothes I found in the first hour to items with a higher armour rating, but after I dropped casual trousers with an armour rating of 4 and hiked up a business skirt with an armour rating of 40, I didn’t really notice any difference. As an RPG or a Deus Ex, it’s one big shrug.

Of the game’s many systems, it’s only hacking that I think coalesces into something satisfying. Quickhacks are, as they sound, of-the-moment abilities that let you switch off cameras, cause vending machines to vomit their canned guts to distract enemies, or damage enemies directly. It’s the closest the game came for me to a satisfying use of stealth mechanics, letting me sneak past enemies by temporarily disabling their ocular implants.

You can also ‘breach’ enemies or jack into certain machinery to play a hacking minigame, which asks you to pick chains of alphanumeric characters from a grid within a time limit. It’s mostly optional, and mostly rewarding, at least until you find the upgrades that make it trivial.



It’s not quite hacking, but lastly on the cyberfront, there are braindances, or BDs. These are Cyberpunk’s detective mode, first-person recordings of people’s lived experiences which you can visit in virtual reality when the plot requires it. You drop into an editor mode during playback that lets you scrub through the timeline and scan visual, audio and heat information from the scene, delivering clues which further whatever crime you’re investigating or preparing to commit. It’s straightforward stuff, but using it to plot a heist is also fantastically cool. I’d have gladly played with it another half dozen times than the handful the story allowed me – though be warned that at release the intro to these sequences was a seizure risk, and I can’t confirm that subsequent updates have addressed it.

At this point I feel like I’m just listing stuff in the game, desperate to cover it all. Cyberpunk 2077 is huge, sprawling, complex, and deeply flawed. It’s at its best as a fairly straightforward singleplayer action game, with likable characters and thrilling capers in a fascinatingly detailed open world that looks better than any game before it. It’s at its worst if you want it to be an RPG, an approach-as-you-please Deus Ex successor, or a polished piece of software. I enjoyed my time with it a lot, and I even want more of it, though I’m going to spend years complaining about its flaws. I’ll enjoy the complaining, too.

It reminds me of the Eurojank games of yore, then, but maybe it’s fairer to say that it reminds me of the previous games from developers CD Projekt Red. After eight years of one of the most grating marketing campaigns imaginable, Cyberpunk 2077 is here, its ambitions beyond its means. Cyberpunk 2077: Enhanced Edition when?

Codex review when?

 

[StaticSpine]

Crap

 

[moon knight]

With the gangs basically being useless and the chip...I think the original idea might have been the one of making a New Vegas type of main quest. Gang=Faction, Immortality Chip=Platinum Chip.

Sad

 

[tekknej]

best soundtrack 2020

 

[gurugeorge]

Because normies think roleplaying means LARPing.

Speaking of which, I was a bit miffed to find that there's no animation for eating and drinking at the bar, or even on the hoof, in the normal run of things. I like that you can sometimes drink or eat during conversations at the bar, but I wish there was the same kind of animation when you buy noodles. It's a bit of a let-down when you can only click an icon to sate your hunger.

Hopefully some enterprising modder will stick it in.

 

[adddeed]

Im near the end of the game, playing hacker/stealth build.

Only bugs i've experience are a few hilarious visual glitches. I play it as a popamole with a semi-decent cyberpunk movie thrown in. A lot of redditors expected this to be their weirdo larp cyberpunk fantasy and its pretty funny to seem them freaking the fuck out over what is essentially a Triple AAA linear story game with tacked on open world mechanics(fuck I'd rather they just axe that shit entirely and would have made it a hub based game). The Ai is pretty terrible but I've played so many jank games with shitty AI that it doesnt really bother me.

If this game had a bunch of the pointless mini game shit that's in rockstar games i'd probably never have even gotten past the second act at all, also expecting rdr2 npc interactions in a city of thousands walking the streets would be ridiculous. Why the fuck do people give so much a shit about eating a virtual hotdog in a video game lmao.

Its like Mafia 1 and 2 where people complained there are no side activites and bullshit like that. They were linear shooters set in an open world backdrop.

 

[gurugeorge]

Im near the end of the game, playing hacker/stealth build.

Only bugs i've experience are a few hilarious visual glitches. I play it as a popamole with a semi-decent cyberpunk movie thrown in. A lot of redditors expected this to be their weirdo larp cyberpunk fantasy and its pretty funny to seem them freaking the fuck out over what is essentially a Triple AAA linear story game with tacked on open world mechanics(fuck I'd rather they just axe that shit entirely and would have made it a hub based game). The Ai is pretty terrible but I've played so many jank games with shitty AI that it doesnt really bother me.

If this game had a bunch of the pointless mini game shit that's in rockstar games i'd probably never have even gotten past the second act at all, also expecting rdr2 npc interactions in a city of thousands walking the streets would be ridiculous. Why the fuck do people give so much a shit about eating a virtual hotdog in a video game lmao.

Its like Mafia 1 and 2 where people complained there are no side activites and bullshit like that. They were linear shooters set in an open world backdrop.

I think ultimately there's a sizeable audience for something like a 1-1 copy of things you'd do in the real world (plus magic and guns and exciting stories), only space/time compressed or slightly abstracted for rl convenience. And that's actually a fine aspiration, I'd like that too personally; but the problem is developers only have so much time, and it's better spent making the base systems work smoothly. That's why devs who leave their games open to modding are doing God's work - but on the other hand, even making the game mod-friendly could take developer time away from making the the core game work properly.

 

[Mefi]

best soundtrack 2020

Definitely a weird year, but Ponpon Shit is just so weird, and filthy, that it can work as background music in this. Baron Celine's Ratatata is another which can work brilliantly to help create an atmosphere if it's on radios as you're going about business.

 

[Perkel]

speaking of larping.

Be Goro, ultra cyberninja, Arasakas CEO head of security, all latest tech.

and yet:

 

[KK1001]

The base systems in the game aren't that great, which is the problem.

 

[ChildInTime]

Since you don't play game here is spoiler for you:

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This is sequence in which Alt Cunningham gets kidnapped and Johny organizes attack on Arasaka to get her out. In that sequence you experience Cyberpunk 2013 not 2077 and the mentality of characters than imho should be in 77 but it is completely absent due to lore reasons.

This is the switch you need to understand Johny psyche and until you don't experience that you don't realize mentality behind Johny. It is not that he is weird or fucked up. It is V and rest of 77 world that is fucked up with spine of rats who fear corpo like black death rather than to have a spine and do what is fucking right consequences be damned

This and later on talk with Johny after escaping voodoo boys on shitty chairs is what makes it awesome.

It is not that they gave justice to Never Fade Away story but they truly made Johny character badass you don't see anymore is media or games. Not because he wears aviators and has face of actor but because his character has backbone you wish you had. Which contrast a lot with V which is effectively rat compared to him and your choices you often make.

That moment on chair changed how i roleplayed character from now on and the main premise of game aka "who are you ?" started to shine. That cig you smoke with Johny is also form of acceptance that it doesn't matter if you get erased or not you live now and that is what matters no reason to think about feature when you have shit to do.

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There is this great line in the ending with Johnny and Rough discussing the plan of attack on Arasaka tower in Afterlife. If you choos the dialogue option about 'do we even need a plan' Johnny says this - "Do we even need a plan? Back in the day we only needed to snort a line, grab your iron and go wreck Arasaka."

This is the perfect moment illustrating that Johnny is indeed a man from a different era. A much more wild time.

I think it gets better in the

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secret ending - "You, me and the Arasaka tower. We'll go fucking nova."

 

[ChildInTime]

I guess even I have my limits.

It looks pretty cute on femV though.

 

[Filthy Sauce]

It looks pretty cute on femV though.

How do you know that's not femV?

 

[Reinhardt]

but the problem is developers only have so much time

Yeah, only 8 years and 300 m $. Not enough to

making the base systems work smoothly

 

[Turjan]

I guess even I have my limits.

It looks pretty cute on femV though.

I decided to stick with the hobo look for now.

I didn't want to frighten my friends the Avocados.

 

[KK1001]

There was like 2 years of real production. The systems in the game feel first-passish for a reason. The stuff they spent 6 years on is fantastic.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Speaking of looks vs utility, you have no excuse to dress like shit given that you can upgrade any piece of clothing and boost its stats as many times as you'd like.

 

[mondblut]

The stuff they spent 6 years on is fantastic.

Marketing?

 

[ChildInTime]

Huh, you can pick up a stray cat for Vs apartment.

 

[Tacgnol]

Speaking of looks vs utility, you have no excuse to dress like shit given that you can upgrade any piece of clothing and boost its stats as many times as you'd like.

Also, the most important thing with armour at high levels isn't the base stats but the amount of armour mod slots.

The high level armadillo armour mods provide more armour than the base, so shove a couple in a piece of armour and the base piece is irrelevant.

 

[Maxie]

 

[PanteraNera]

 

[RobotSquirrel]

I didn't want to frighten my friends the Avocados.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that called them that lol.