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CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

Ezeekiel

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In the appendix he links to posts explaining damage reduction/threat level/armor.
It is exactly as fucked up as witcher 3 was.

Level difference imposes a multiplier on your and the enemies' damage output and reception. On top of stats which already increase per level/use/item level. Totally pointless and not communicated to you ingame at all.
Bunch of perks/stats/modifiers also just plain don't work.
 

lycanwarrior

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The development time would only make sense if it was a GTAV killer. Even Rockstar had trouble following up on the financial success of GTAV online (people don't like the multiplayer component of the cowboy game). C2077 should have been a smaller game -- it was incredibly ambitious, but the execution of the actual game (the part that is interactive, not the part that involves sitting around listening to audio files while animations play) is less impressive than what you see from some solo devs. It just has lots and lots of art assets, animations, and audio jumbled into a simplistic game that is like many Telltale games glued together.

As it is it seems like they kept remaking the game part endlessly while they had people working on creating tons and tons of assets. This helps to explain why there are dozens of vehicles, but only two quest lines that involve any vehicle gameplay (Delamain Crazy Taxi and the Great Tranny Race). Both of those quests, mind you, have worse gameplay than GTA2, and look really pathetic compared to GTA3. There are lots of great assets -- a bangin' soundtrack, zillions of outfits for random NPCs -- but not much of a game to stitch those assets together. It seems like the studio was working like they were furnishing 3D models and textures for an asset market or as a supporting studio for another studio that was in charge of making the actual game part, sort of like how Ubisoft will have a studio in Indonesia making nothing but grass textures and 3D models of garbage cans, ashtrays, and motorcycles. Then they just had those studios making endless assets piling up in the hopper for years until the main studio rushed through slapping together a half-assed game at the home stretch.

I remember some poster (I believe it was here, don't remember) that he preferred games to be overly ambitious even if that would lead to bugginess vs very polished but less ambitious and more safe games. I think it might have been in the Outer Worlds thread but would have to search.

Maybe a case of being careful of what you wish for...
 

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The development time would only make sense if it was a GTAV killer. Even Rockstar had trouble following up on the financial success of GTAV online (people don't like the multiplayer component of the cowboy game). C2077 should have been a smaller game -- it was incredibly ambitious, but the execution of the actual game (the part that is interactive, not the part that involves sitting around listening to audio files while animations play) is less impressive than what you see from some solo devs. It just has lots and lots of art assets, animations, and audio jumbled into a simplistic game that is like many Telltale games glued together.

As it is it seems like they kept remaking the game part endlessly while they had people working on creating tons and tons of assets. This helps to explain why there are dozens of vehicles, but only two quest lines that involve any vehicle gameplay (Delamain Crazy Taxi and the Great Tranny Race). Both of those quests, mind you, have worse gameplay than GTA2, and look really pathetic compared to GTA3. There are lots of great assets -- a bangin' soundtrack, zillions of outfits for random NPCs -- but not much of a game to stitch those assets together. It seems like the studio was working like they were furnishing 3D models and textures for an asset market or as a supporting studio for another studio that was in charge of making the actual game part, sort of like how Ubisoft will have a studio in Indonesia making nothing but grass textures and 3D models of garbage cans, ashtrays, and motorcycles. Then they just had those studios making endless assets piling up in the hopper for years until the main studio rushed through slapping together a half-assed game at the home stretch.

I remember some poster (I believe it was here, don't remember) that he preferred games to be overly ambitious even if that would lead to bugginess vs very polished but less ambitious and more safe games. I think it might have been in the Outer Worlds thread but would have to search.

Maybe a case of being careful of what you wish for...
If there was some truly unique stuff in this that was just buggy and needed time to polish that's one thing, but this struggles with even being a GTA clone it's so desperately wanted to be because of terrible open world and non-existent AI simulation.

"Overly ambitious" games usually have a team that's just out of proportions compared to their dreams and sometimes they don't have enough time or money to finish it properly.

And CDP had everything: money, time, hundreds of developers and a huge support from the gamers crowd. They just didn't know how to make it.
 

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Cyberpunk will probably be a hit the same way Dragon Age Inquisition was. Sold plenty of copies, but permanently soured customers toward the studio. CDPR's next game is very likely to flop like Andromeda.
Second, Cyberpunk still has at least a year, probably 18 months, of development ahead of it, with updates and expansions, in which CDP can potentially improve the game and get even the haters back.

LMFAO are you fucking kidding me? Who's waiting 18 months to see if CDPR fixes their piece of trash game? These fanboys are in serious denial. You've got to be shitting me! Accept the fact that Cyberpunk will never be what was promised and CDPR's "Consumers First" policy was nothing but a pile of bullshit and the fanboys slurped that shit right up, and they still are apparently. Move the fuck on from this trainwreck already and stop being a disgusting fanboy!

No one is saying Cyberpunk is what it was promised. Or anyone here is sucking Corpo dick. Dunno where you got your eyes checked but get a second opine.

What we are gleaning from this trainwreck is some pleasure.

Got to 70% achievements, 170 hours, the Afterlife ending, but where Johnny runs to join Alt, as I think he would after losing Rogue, killing Smasher, and tearing Arasaka a new one. Johnny's done.

Sure V is at the mercy? employ? of some fixer but it's not terribad. I still wanna bitch that it's a bit too arcadey and a bit too barren. Maybe some more souls in Mikoshi, or a few more levels of dungeon crawling. I've had harder fights with 6th street or with the Valentinos.

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Oh so Rogue died? Doing what she basically loved, got some flame back in her boring life? Am I supposed to feel bad about that? Shit I hope I have a death a fraction as cool, but I won't. Anyway. V is still living. Bit of a dick to his friends as he doesn't visit for some reason (not even Mama Welles), odd. But hey.

Space Assets exist in this game, Space DLC all but confirmed guyzzzz!
 
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Paul_cz

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LMFAO are you fucking kidding me? Who's waiting 18 months to see if CDPR fixes their piece of trash game? These fanboys are in serious denial. You've got to be shitting me! Accept the fact that Cyberpunk will never be what was promised and CDPR's "Consumers First" policy was nothing but a pile of bullshit and the fanboys slurped that shit right up, and they still are apparently. Move the fuck on from this trainwreck already and stop being a disgusting fanboy!
You sound like one of those drooling morons on twitter. Grow up or seek professional help.
 

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LMFAO are you fucking kidding me? Who's waiting 18 months to see if CDPR fixes their piece of trash game? These fanboys are in serious denial. You've got to be shitting me! Accept the fact that Cyberpunk will never be what was promised and CDPR's "Consumers First" policy was nothing but a pile of bullshit and the fanboys slurped that shit right up, and they still are apparently. Move the fuck on from this trainwreck already and stop being a disgusting fanboy!
You sound like one of those drooling morons on twitter. Grow up or seek professional help.

People whining about bugs are what is wrong with this industry. Arcanum was full of bugs at release. If the time was spent on fixing them, the game would be worse off.
 

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Even if the game had no bugs the game is still a piece of shit! Stop fanboying for this TRASH GAME!!!!

SHIT AI, Shit Story, SHIT Rpg Mechanics, Butt Ugly fucking graphics, needs a $1000 graphics card 3080 TI to even play at Max graphics with reasonable performance, you've got to be shitting me! There's so much more wrong with this piece of shit than just the bugs. The whole thing belongs in the trash bin along with the disgusting fanboys who keep shilling. They love being bent over and fucked up the ass by CDPR on a daily basis!

You sound like one of those drooling morons on twitter. Grow up or seek professional help.

Oh fuck off, I don't even have a twitter account but I bet you do. Go back to twitter you faggot, this isn't your safe space.
 
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SHIT AI, Shit Story, SHIT Rpg Mechanics, Butt Ugly fucking graphics, needs a $1000 graphics card 3080 TI to even play at Max graphics with reasonable performance
Online manichaeism is a perpetual source of wonder. As it applies to the Codex, something can be either Shit or Great an RPG, there is nothing in between. Take Cyberpunked - lament the dreadful AI and mechanics, by all means, but how has your skull survived the blow needed to call the visuals "shit?" Or to whine that max settings need max hardware?

It's like some sort of Blood War incarnate, but instead of blood, it's shit.

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Did the Suicide and Arasaka endings. Suicide is, well, you shoot yourself, and everyone is mad. Even ViK and Misty even though he literally gives you a gun? Like sure maybe V should talk to them more but ehhh? Panam throws a fit but girl you came on to me first I stood away.

Arasaka ending is fucking torture. Literally. Game makes you do the tests over and over and Arasaka can't fix you. Get a choice of becoming an engram or going back to Earth, I tell V to go back to Earth. Goro's happy at least and oh a pandora's box is open as Yorinbu gets subseded by his father's Engram. Hanako doesn't give a shit about you of course as soon as it's over. I think they're fuckin'. Gotta keep it in the family...?

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I would rank this as the 'worst' ending as the Company gets everything and V gets nothing, not even some Eddies, for the trouble, and Johnny is most likely destroyed.

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Seeing other people's screenshots always makes me realize how hillarious my ending cutscenes looked.
While every NPC looked as high rez-ish as for me as for everyone else, the moment V came in view it looked like I was playing... Saints Row 3.
Purple hair and buggy TAA making the whole thing strangely pixelated.
6th 3rd Street represent! :obviously:

Sad.
 

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If you have a problem with Saints Row 3
Wut. No, I made the Street Kid on purpose to look like Laura Bailey my spunky womynboss from SR3.
And because the graphics bugged out when V happily ran towards the window, it even looked like I had been playing SR3 all along. :hahano:
 

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I would rank this as the 'worst' ending as the Company gets everything and V gets nothing, not even some Eddies, for the trouble, and Johnny is most likely destroyed.

Depends on how you look at it. It's an ending where V retains hir humanity (if s/he hasn't hit it off with Panam, and if s/he never trusted Johnny and thought he was a program trying to fool hir). It's a good ending if you're sick of all the transhumanist bs. I'd say it's a bittersweet ending - and the phone calls reflect that.

Also, Hanako doesn't forget about you, in the phone calls at the end, she
asks if you'd be interested in being lucratively hired as an Arasaka merc for the last 6 months of your life.
:)
 

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Back to 79% positive from 78% on Steam. There's no way to go but up now, at least until the "completely optional" multiplayer mode with its "completely optional" microtransactions.

Shows what I know. Recent reviews are at 69%, pushed down to mixed from positive. Overall is at 78%.

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Should complement this with reaction to fem-V to nail down how terrible the character is.
Wasn't she designed to be a lesbian character female V can romance with? From that point of view it does make sense. Other than that you could tie up her reaction to charisma stat or sex-appeal perk, or something like that, but this would mean extra work, so I am not surprised they went for the path of the least work.
 
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Should complement this with reaction to fem-V to nail down how terrible the character is.
Wasn't she designed to be a lesbian character female V can romance with? From that point of view it does make sense. Other than that you could tie up her reaction to charisma stat or sex-appeal perk, or something like that, but this would mean extra work, so I am not surprised they went for the path of the least work.

i don't know i think her reaction to male V is completly retarded. say i have a gay friend who i know is horny because he tried to flirt with me on multiple occasions. say said friend did all these things for me like he saved someone i cared about and even murdered for me without asking for anything back, basically risked his life for me multiple times. say i'm kinda retarded and instead of going out to a regular bar with some other friends in tow and buying this guy some beers as a thank you i invite him to this place


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on a 1 on 1 date and he notices my bulge because i put on a men's thong and he's like "nice cock bro", do i really have the right to be triggered and complain? everyone would call me a retard and an asshole but judy does the exact same thing and it's totally different because she's a strong independent womyn and i looked at her ass with my toxic straight male gaze.
 

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on a 1 on 1 date and he notices my bulge because i put on a men's thong and he's like "nice cock bro", do i really have the right to be triggered and complain? everyone would call me a retard and an asshole but judy does the exact same thing and it's totally different because she's a strong independent womyn and i looked at her ass with my toxic straight male gaze.

I bet Judy ogles the asses of straight women all the time, the little hypocrite.
 
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on a 1 on 1 date and he notices my bulge because i put on a men's thong and he's like "nice cock bro", do i really have the right to be triggered and complain? everyone would call me a retard and an asshole but judy does the exact same thing and it's totally different because she's a strong independent womyn and i looked at her ass with my toxic straight male gaze.

I bet Judy ogles the asses of straight women all the time, the little hypocrite.

exactly. if she was just like "hey thanks. you can look as much as you want because you've earned it but don't touch you know i only like pussy", it would have made her 10x more likeable but no she's like "RRRRRREEEEE don't you dare look at my ass you fucking cis straight male, this is literally rape!!"
the fact that she asks a her horny straight friend to go on a romantic diving date with her could just be excused by the fact that she's kinda low iq or something or because she basically never interacts with straight men so she doesn't know any better
 

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everyone would call me a retard and an asshole but judy does the exact same thing and it's totally different because she's a strong independent womyn and i looked at her ass with my toxic straight male gaze.
I have a feeling that even as straight she would've said the same thing. How that joke went? "If he's hot, then it's called being sexy. If he's not, then it's called being creepy/sexual abuse"? Still, it is not unrealistic as it does fit into behaviour of some women. She is certainly in the game to tick specific boxes, there is no doubt about it.

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What I am trying to say is this: she is not a failure on the part of designers. She is a success, because she was meant to be that way. So I can't really agree that the character is terrible (as in: terribly written). It's like saying that Joffrey is terrible, because he acts terrible, but that was the whole point of the character.
 
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