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CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

Old Hans

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1. "Old", is just handwaving, everything he says still stands, most of this Lumen stuff is very laggy temporal reconstruction that's unfit for action games & >30watt clients fell out of fashion really hard,while Rage looks good enough, Order1886 is good enough even without remasters, not to mention both have MSAA instead of that blurry temporal reconstruction that even makes Diablo2 resurrected unplayable to many.

2. "Photogrammetry and megatextures are not really related," how do you know? Photogrammetry and reverse modeling is improving hence uptick in "neural radiance field" publications, it's literally all over the place. Meanwhile in AAA
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this game still looks amazing.
 

EvilWolf

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About the sales number, problem is that from those 18 million copies, Cyberbug only sold 4 millions on 2021, while this hardly means CDPR will be bankrupt, it means a reduction on the interest on the game after the launch debacle and the ridiculously long patch cycle as some sources claim CDPR was expecting sales closer to the Witcher 3 levels, the massive bad reputation from the launch disaster sticked and the new gen version barely did a dent into fixing that what was their goal, it seems CDPR is abandoning the Cyberbug Titanic.

So, for the few true believers remaining that still believe CDPR will keep supporting this game in large scale are up to a rude awakening, CDPR scrapped their plans to add multiplayer functionality on Cyberbug engine and that means they are pushing hard their transition to Unreal right now and scaling back any remaining investment on RedEngine, if you look to their man power distribution chart, the part for Witcher 4 only grows larger. People are talking of "expansions" but lately the CDPR PR is mentioning "expansion", meaning, they arent commiting on a second expansion and it is questionable if the first expansion wont be just a glorified DLC.

Hilariously, CDPR setup an internal committee that will be elected by employees to advise the management if they have a massive fuck up like this on their hands again, supposedly a committee like this wont be made of sychopants that say what the management want to hear as they are on a group, and in theory, as there is less of a threat of they losing their jobs, they will speak their minds. Of course, one could ask the question of how about the management stop having their heads on their asses?
Cyberpunk already has, initial, Witcher 3 numbers. The majority of Witcher 3 sales come from the Steam sale after Blood & Wine released, that sale alone dwarfed all the, combined, console sales CDPR had previously bragged about. The same will happen when the Cyberpunk expansions come out.

Screencap this.
 

Wesp5

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So, for the few true believers remaining that still believe CDPR will keep supporting this game in large scale are up to a rude awakening...

This shouldn't be too bad in the long run, because modders can only really fix the game if CDPR stops issueing patches themselves :)!
 

Dwarvophile

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1. "Old", is just handwaving, everything he says still stands, most of this Lumen stuff is very laggy temporal reconstruction that's unfit for action games & >30watt clients fell out of fashion really hard,while Rage looks good enough, Order1886 is good enough even without remasters, not to mention both have MSAA instead of that blurry temporal reconstruction that even makes Diablo2 resurrected unplayable to many.

2. "Photogrammetry and megatextures are not really related," how do you know? Photogrammetry and reverse modeling is improving hence uptick in "neural radiance field" publications, it's literally all over the place. Meanwhile in AAA
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this game still looks amazing.

Is this The Division ? It looked good & was well optimised.
 

tritosine2k

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1. "Old", is just handwaving, everything he says still stands, most of this Lumen stuff is very laggy temporal reconstruction that's unfit for action games & >30watt clients fell out of fashion really hard,while Rage looks good enough, Order1886 is good enough even without remasters, not to mention both have MSAA instead of that blurry temporal reconstruction that even makes Diablo2 resurrected unplayable to many.

2. "Photogrammetry and megatextures are not really related," how do you know? Photogrammetry and reverse modeling is improving hence uptick in "neural radiance field" publications, it's literally all over the place. Meanwhile in AAA
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this game still looks amazing.

Is this The Division ? It looked good & was well optimised.


Yeah it has every right to look good for such money. In exchange you get expansion and new games this "frequently". it's also precomputed GI and too smooth btw. The argument was about whether you spend millions on 3d models instead or you should just "scan it" along with whole environments eg. photogrammetry to release and not even shitcan stuff because it doesn't match and etc.
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If only the city could have online that would let people make their own stories with the city
Then let me tell you about this one tabletop RPG that is a lot like Cyberpunk 2077...
i discovered there's more than 3rd edition cyberpunk, there's another update, came out with the videogame. it's a cyberpunk game where everyone is good, it's even stated that fixers sell drugs and weapons only because they want for cartels to kill each other, they smuggle, deal and pimp for the greater good. there's not a single evil character in the whole game.
 

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i discovered there's more than 3rd edition cyberpunk, there's another update, came out with the videogame. it's a cyberpunk game where everyone is good, it's even stated that fixers sell drugs and weapons only because they want for cartels to kill each other, they smuggle, deal and pimp for the greater good. there's not a single evil character in the whole game.

sounds like the cartels are evil tho?
 
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only if you're not the boss, then it becames all a covert operation for when you'll dismantle it from the inside.
it's like discovering your childhood hero, the one who shaped your masculinity, likes to take it in the ass.
 

Bad Sector

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1. "Old", is just handwaving, everything he says still stands

Actually no because most of what he says was about traditional Whitted raytracing which is actually inferior to rasterization and his skepticism on requiring billions of rays for better results was without taking modern developments on denoising algorithms into account - denoising by itself changes things considerably. The hardware he is criticizing is also way more limited than modern HW and was supposed to be something separate that cannot take advantage of the rest of a GPU while modern use of HW raytracing relies heavily on the rest of a GPUs functionality (e.g. denoising, building shading caches, variable rate shading, etc).

most of this Lumen stuff is very laggy temporal reconstruction that's unfit for action games

Carmack wrote that literally more than a decade before Lumen.

while Rage looks good enough, Order1886 is good enough even without remasters

Sure though at least Rage has issues with detail up close that it tries to mask by using a noise texture everywhere.

not to mention both have MSAA instead of that blurry temporal reconstruction that even makes Diablo2 resurrected unplayable to many.

This is irrelevant to what we discussed so far.

"Photogrammetry and megatextures are not really related," how do you know?

Because one is about scanning high detailed models, the other is about having gigantic virtualized textures used to bake smaller textures, lighting and other surface information into them to be streamed in realtime as you traverse the environment.

Photogrammetry and reverse modeling is improving hence uptick in "neural radiance field" publications, it's literally all over the place.

Maybe but this has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.
 

gurugeorge

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Strap Yourselves In
Life imitates art. (Metaverse's Somnium ounds very much like Mikoshi, etc., also a bit Ex Machina)

“Literally, if I die—and I have this data collected—people can come or my kids, they can come in, and they can have a conversation with my avatar, with my movements, with my voice,” CEO Artur Sychov told Vice. “You will meet the person. And you would maybe for the first 10 minutes while talking to that person, you would not know that it’s actually AI. That’s the goal.” - from RT article on Gab
 

gurugeorge

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It's probably influenced by Black MIrror s02e01 "Be Right Back" instead of Mikoshi.

Charlie Brooker (developer of the series) is an old gamer who used to write for one of the UK pc gaming mags (actually a great reviewer and very witty writer at the time), so I should imagine he was quite au fait with all the s-f/gaming tropes (particularly cyberpunk stuff) from the 80s and 90s and derived a lot of the BM themes from that prior knowledge.

A lot of these themes have been floating around basically since Douglas Hofstadter wrote Gödel, Escher, Bach, which was a tremendously influential book in the late 70s/early 80s (it was a regular topic of highfalutin' dinner table conversations in those days). That book introduced most of these common themes (particularly related to the possibility of "uploading" consciousness) for the first time in one neat bundle to a big audience.

I should think it's a common pool of ideas amongst big tech people since those days - anyone who was the least bit intellectually curious, into s-f and nerd areas in general, would have known Hofstadter, would have read Neuromancer, etc.
 
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tritosine2k

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Feel free to hit up Sweeney on twitter about how he shouldn't develop UE6 for streaming,
Carmack about how RAGE looks bad for something made for PS360 (and how come missed some chance for revision because of some gamechanger Moonshot kool aid )
and while you're at it tell all zoomer kids to prepare and shell out for triple digit wattage hardware if they want 60 fps.
"Dis gon b gud."
Maybe but this has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.
Spectacularly you bought up expense of development vs. megatexture and ilk (scans).
 

Gerrard

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The stock will bounce back, as it did back when the game was originally delayed in the spring. Its sales are a more concrete indication of its success or failure, and 13+ million units, even on just the PC, is by no means a number that indicates a failed game.
The stock did not drop because the game was delayed in spring. That was a market crash.

Nah it will recover.
Any minute now.

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:hero:
 

lukaszek

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gave new toys a go.

gorilla arms finally help with STR checks
mono wire no longer is weird hybrid of COOL/brawl. Now Its DEX/blades. It recharges at acceptable rate while not swinging. Its better dmg than katana while offering some range. Although I dont have truly end game save to compare.
Whats interesting is that they are threated as tech weapons(could be true before). To maximize their potential you might want to go TECH for that reason. While being fully charged tech weapon it doesnt penetrate walls though. In general which feats work and which dont requite some testing. Anyway if tech armor bypassing applies to it its quite devastating Id say.

My main focus was throwing knives though. They are godly. Went high tech since upgraded iconics have better dmg and throwing knives are all about that single alpha strike. You will sneak rush whole armies while constantly throwing headshots. Feats for it are all over the place, like crafted item dmg boost from tech, blades +100% dmg to enemies on full health etc. Oh yeah, they get headshot multiplier too. And melee dmg boost from STR. Aiming with them is weird gets something to get used to. Sadly its nothing like soldier of fortune 2, you cant use them to kill enemy hiding behind the barell sine their trajectory is more of a straight line. Im fairly certain some auto targetting is in place even when disabling it. Perhaps its part of melee targetting so its doing some magic behind the scenes.

If you wonder - knife or mono wire for stealth - in my tests wire did 5k dmg while throwing knife headshot was 15k+ and at that time I could execute it from much greater range. You can have both though. 3 knives in basic slots and if you run out of - switch to wire. Also useful for bosses since you cant block with knife if you can throw it.
 

Preben

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The stock will bounce back, as it did back when the game was originally delayed in the spring. Its sales are a more concrete indication of its success or failure, and 13+ million units, even on just the PC, is by no means a number that indicates a failed game.
The stock did not drop because the game was delayed in spring. That was a market crash.

Nah it will recover.
Any minute now.

FI0pvpA.png
ml45lj4.png

:hero:

I'm still laughing at gamblers who bought CDPR stock days before CP2077 premiere.
 
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I didn't feel like waiting till 2023 for the next expansion, so I figured I'd start a second playthrough and go through some of the side content slowly. Started as a Nomad, ran over the sheriff and the guards with my car. Even though I hadn't even met Jackie at this point, he randomly spawned in my car and began spraying the locals. For some reason, the guards didn't open fire and just walked around yelling as I crashed into them one by one. Thought I'd found a pretty cool exploit when I picked up the rare loot they dropped, only to realize I must be level 30 to use any of them. :negative:

So looks like I'm going to need some mods. Any must-have mods you've been using, Codex? Something to rebalance this glorious mess maybe?
 

Kjaska

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I didn't feel like waiting till 2023 for the next expansion, so I figured I'd start a second playthrough and go through some of the side content slowly. Started as a Nomad, ran over the sheriff and the guards with my car. Even though I hadn't even met Jackie at this point, he randomly spawned in my car and began spraying the locals. For some reason, the guards didn't open fire and just walked around yelling as I crashed into them one by one. Thought I'd found a pretty cool exploit when I picked up the rare loot they dropped, only to realize I must be level 30 to use any of them. :negative:

So looks like I'm going to need some mods. Any must-have mods you've been using, Codex? Something to rebalance this glorious mess maybe?
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