does that mean you have to shit up the thread with cuckservatism vs libtards? no, you retardit's cyberpunk you retardfuck politics
does that mean you have to shit up the thread with cuckservatism vs libtards? no, you retardit's cyberpunk you retardfuck politics
I realize you know nothing about the genre, but could you please be a bit less retarded?does that mean you have to shit up the thread with cuckservatism vs libtards? no, you retardit's cyberpunk you retardfuck politics
I realize you're a politics fag who has to make everything about politics, but that doesn't mean that everybody else is doing it as well. One faggot dodging the draft doesn't make an entire genre inherently political. Unless you're a politics fag. Then everything is inherently political for you.I realize you know nothing about the genre, but could you please be a bit less retarded?
william gibson is a draft-dodging dyed in the wool communist who studied "fascist literature" in college. Yes, the genre is inherently political, I'm not sure how you can be this stupid.
What's next, someone makes a 1984 game and you demand people don't be political when discussing it?
Imagine reading this and going "yeah, this is some non-political material I'm reading right here"I realize you're a politics fag who has to make everything about politics, but that doesn't mean that everybody else is doing it as well. One faggot dodging the draft doesn't make an entire genre inherently political. Unless you're a politics fag. Then everything is inherently political for you.I realize you know nothing about the genre, but could you please be a bit less retarded?
william gibson is a draft-dodging dyed in the wool communist who studied "fascist literature" in college. Yes, the genre is inherently political, I'm not sure how you can be this stupid.
What's next, someone makes a 1984 game and you demand people don't be political when discussing it?
If you weren't such a retard, you'd notice that the most likeable NPC in the game is a loyalist warrior who holds values many on the conservative spectrum share. And the biggest asshole of all - Johnny - would fit right in with the antifa.
They're total wankers and losers who indulge in Messianic fantasies about someday getting even with the world through almost-magical computer skills, but whose actual use of the Net amounts to dialing up the scatophilia forum and downloading a few disgusting pictures. You know, cyberpunks
Good worldbuilding covers the in-universe politics of the setting, who would've thought.Imagine reading this and going "yeah, this is some non-political material I'm reading right here"
oh wow the in-universe politics just happen to mirror the politics of the writers that's so crazy hahahaha how dare you bring real-world politics into this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Good worldbuilding covers the in-universe politics of the setting, who would've thought.Imagine reading this and going "yeah, this is some non-political material I'm reading right here"
I wish the game actually focused more on the cyber part of that, because the cyberware in the game is so fucking disappointing.Unless you're a big fan of the cyberpunk genre, I see no real reason to play this.
You have to detach the author from the work. Doesn't matter what the author wanted to highlight with it politically if the work in itself is a neat setting that serves as a good narrative device for storytelling (hence why you yourself like Roddenberry's Star Trek despite not being some idealistic pinko).oh wow the in-universe politics just happen to mirror the politics of the writers that's so crazy hahahaha how dare you bring real-world politics into this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
noYou have to detach the author from the work
Ok, brainlet.noYou have to detach the author from the work
death of the author is more stupid libtard bullshit you retarded commie
Ok, brainlet.noYou have to detach the author from the work
death of the author is more stupid libtard bullshit you retarded commie
"STOP QUOTING THE WORK THE GAME IS BASED ON!"quoting me one paragraph of one book, an ad-hominem by some cunt, and a statement by the guy who DIDN'T make the game we are discussing doesn't prove that the game - which this thread is about - is inherently political.
I already said the devs were too afraid to offend everyone and therefore the game appeals to nobody but smoothbrains who go "WOW NIGHTCITY COOL!"(you)Can you point me to some instances of political agenda in the game being pushed on the player?
oh yes and we can't forget that it builds upon the critical work of the guy with AIDS who literally raped children.Ok, brainlet.noYou have to detach the author from the work
death of the author is more stupid libtard bullshit you retarded commie
death of the author was literally about bigots who allowed authors to define what their own work means rather than letting the work simply decide for itself on its own
if you agree with it, it means you have a room temperature IQ
You can't prove your own point, I get it. Please chimp out about politics in the other threads in the future.I already said the devs were too afraid to offend everyone and therefore the game appeals to nobody but smoothbrains who go "WOW NIGHTCITY COOL!"
Nope, I'm just fine right here. Put me on ignore if you don't like it, but I'm discussing the source material the game itself is based on which is relevant to the topic at hand you smoothbrain.You can't prove your own point, I get it. Please chimp out about politics in the other threads in the future.I already said the devs were too afraid to offend everyone and therefore the game appeals to nobody but smoothbrains who go "WOW NIGHTCITY COOL!"
"The only leveler was technology, as the masses used[...]"Imagine reading this and going "yeah, this is some non-political material I'm reading right here"
Doesn't matter what the author means by his work, it matters what the audience makes of it.death of the author was literally about bigots who allowed authors to define what their own work means rather than letting the work simply decide for itself on its own
That's the thing that betrays cyberpunk as a wankery that it was, instead of a serious genre. You have Pondsmith's childish understanding of technology as something that empowers the masses(to be fair, he does it to make a cool setting, not because its true, I hope), the 'fuck u dad' teens "rebelling" against the family structure, despite it being superbly advantageous to both being raised by the state, and not being raised at all. The mores being seen as an obstacle to worthwhile human relations and experiences, rather than a facilitator that it is. The omnipresent mentions of "capitalism", when the real criticism is against consumerism and consumer culture.The real root of cyberpunk is the idea of "plucky band of rebels" that was promoted after WW2, specifically to juxtapose against the ideal of a unified social order promoted by Fascism (and Communism too). This speaks to the other ongoing thread about when Woke started. The "plucky band of rebels" trope saturates just about all product intensively since WW2, often combined with the plucky band as an alternative sort of "family" comprised of diverse elements. (The starkest form was ofc Rebels vs. Empire in Star Wars.)
Tech dystopias weren't new, struggles against corporatism weren't new, post-apocalyptic vibes weren't new, what was new in the post-punk 80s was mixing those kinds of tropes with the "plucky band of rebels," particularly as "punky" - as living alternative lifestyles, dressing "individualistically," having dyed mohawks, etc.
Unrelated but can you please stick to one goddamn name dammit.Ok, brainlet.noYou have to detach the author from the work
death of the author is more stupid libtard bullshit you retarded commie
That's the thing that betrays cyberpunk as a wankery that it was, instead of a serious genre. You have Pondsmith's childish understanding of technology as something that empowers the masses(to be fair, he does it to make a cool setting, not because its true, I hope), the 'fuck u dad' teens "rebelling" against the family structure, despite it being superbly advantageous to both being raised by the state, and not being raised at all. The mores being seen as an obstacle to worthwhile human relations and experiences, rather than a facilitator that it is. The omnipresent mentions of "capitalism", when the real criticism is against consumerism and consumer culture.The real root of cyberpunk is the idea of "plucky band of rebels" that was promoted after WW2, specifically to juxtapose against the ideal of a unified social order promoted by Fascism (and Communism too). This speaks to the other ongoing thread about when Woke started. The "plucky band of rebels" trope saturates just about all product intensively since WW2, often combined with the plucky band as an alternative sort of "family" comprised of diverse elements. (The starkest form was ofc Rebels vs. Empire in Star Wars.)
Tech dystopias weren't new, struggles against corporatism weren't new, post-apocalyptic vibes weren't new, what was new in the post-punk 80s was mixing those kinds of tropes with the "plucky band of rebels," particularly as "punky" - as living alternative lifestyles, dressing "individualistically," having dyed mohawks, etc.
The fundamental characteristic of capitalism is the division between capital owners and the class deprived of capital, which defines the social existence of each of its members(ie there is a vast working class). But how often is that mentioned or elaborated on in works so eager to use the 'capitalism' label? Usually - not at all. The criticism of the rich is common, the corporations as the big bad are common; but there's nothing that would substantiate the use of that particular term - and quite often the tendency, especially in modern speech, is to use "society" and "capitalism" interchangeably(capitalism being the cool kids term). Which is a misuse - you should be pointing to something specific to that system - and poverty or existence of the upper class arent.
The usual. Rage against the machine, poverty, societal alienation, social decay, how the system impersonally fucks people over, abuse of authority, corruption, rejection of consumerism and commodification, the surveillance state, urbanization, etc. Some of these themes are present, but more in a superficial, backdrop way. They're not really being explored.What are the themes it's not exploring? I'm not even saying it's exploring them well, but your claim it's not doing anything with the usual cyberpunk themes or the aesthetic, is a take even more smooth-brained than your Shinning take, and I'm genuinely curious of why you would say that.I'd say if you're a big fan of the cyberpunk genre, that's another reason to avoid this. This is like a really shitty GTA knockoff calling itself cyberpunk just because it has hairdos and cyberware. It doesn't really do shit with the usual cyberpunk themes or fulfill the cyberpunk aesthetic.Unless you're a big fan of the cyberpunk genre, I see no real reason to play this.
Congratulations, you're an idiot. Cyberpunk without politics is nothing but superficial trash. Sure, cyberpunk shouldn't be used as a vehicle for modern-day politics, but it has its own political leanings. You might as well rant about how Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri should be a nonpolitical game while you're at it.fuck politics
Yeah, it's cyberpunk done by SJWs, which is basically fail. Identity is the one theme they're into.game explores the theme of identity heavily with main quest, mayor quest, delamain quest, kerry eurodyne quest and others
Legit don't know who you're talking about.absinthe is probably a cuckwell-gervais watcher, who indited the entire game because "it didn't add anything original to the genre".
These are all good observations. That story is significant, tragic, and worth telling. It is real, and could find an interesting expression in a genre or a setting. Cyberpunk, I think, contains that previous episode, done by boomers and as seen by boomers. It's their egoism and arrogance that you described so well that forms the basis of rebellion in cyberpunk. That's why it is so childish and nonsensical at times. Only great prosperity allows for continuous expressions of nonsense; as success is a given and there's no punishment for failure. The signature of Gen X is irony, atheism, etc.Gen X was the first generation to experience NOT being handed down a patrimony from the previous generation, because the previous generation had been trained in "me, me, me." And I think the resentment against "the system" in cyberpunk is a bit like that. It's resentment against being shut out of something that should rightfully have been yours.