Incline Chris Avellone Appreciation Station

[rusty_shackleford]

Let the speculation begin!
Obvious ones are the ones that shitcanned him when he was accused.

Less obvious:
Star Wars related? Perhaps retained some sort of control over characters he created and are being reused for the kotor remake?

It's Techland, you gotta follow the replies for the complete Avellone saga https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...ming-february-4th.122375/page-24#post-7692310

I guess there's a lot of things you could infer or interpret from this.
Unfair termination clause requiring them to remove his work perhaps? Would explain his insistence that he has nothing to do with it.

From the tweets (stop making me go on twitter, people who use twitter) it seems like Techland is still crediting him for stuff in Dying Light 2, despite having removed all traces of his work.

So he wants the actual writers getting credit, not him. That's what he's saying publicly at least.

Are they actually crediting him anywhere though?

 

[Tyranicon]

Let the speculation begin!
Obvious ones are the ones that shitcanned him when he was accused.

Less obvious:
Star Wars related? Perhaps retained some sort of control over characters he created and are being reused for the kotor remake?

It's Techland, you gotta follow the replies for the complete Avellone saga https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...ming-february-4th.122375/page-24#post-7692310

I guess there's a lot of things you could infer or interpret from this.
Unfair termination clause requiring them to remove his work perhaps? Would explain his insistence that he has nothing to do with it.

From the tweets (stop making me go on twitter, people who use twitter) it seems like Techland is still crediting him for stuff in Dying Light 2, despite having removed all traces of his work.

So he wants the actual writers getting credit, not him. That's what he's saying publicly at least.

Are they actually crediting him anywhere though?

If he's having a quibble with the CEO over contracts and "giving credit where credit is due" it seems related.

Or it's something completely different, dunno.

 

[Wunderbar]

From the tweets (stop making me go on twitter, people who use twitter) it seems like Techland is still crediting him for stuff in Dying Light 2, despite having removed all traces of his work.

So he wants the actual writers getting credit, not him. That's what he's saying publicly at least.

 

[Nano]

 

[perfectslumbers]

FYI: There is already a separate thread keeping track of the lawsuit drama.

Noobs can't read it so we have to stick to this thread like filthy peasants

 

[deuxhero]

Chris said somewhere that when he played Morrowind, he spent hours collecting all the plates, spoons, knives, etc. in the Census and Excise building (the very beginning of the game).

I did that too. That's a legitimate strategy to rise as much money as possible early on.

cutlery worth nothing. Limeware platter is the only thing worth taking.

Even if just aiming for high value stuff, you still want the Brief History of the Empire, key to the warehouse, and some silver. BTW, the manual (At least GotY edition) has a screenshot that shows the exploit was known to devs.

 

[Nutria]

Noobs can't read it so we have to stick to this thread like filthy peasants

If I wanted to be on page 950 of a thread about one guy, I'd just go to kiwifarms.

 

[Roguey]

Avellone finally confirms that his contributions to Wrath of the Righteous were practically zilch (on account of getting fired)

https://twitter.com/ChrisAvellone/status/1482861466545913860

Pathfinder Wrath of Rightous has so many childish or generic writing moments, its a heaven and hell in comparison to Planescape Torment mature setting and atmosphere and deep characters. What happened? Seems only Disco Elysium and PST devs know how to write?

I do not know, I didn't get the chance to write or review any Owlcat scripts like I did with the first game (but even then, I was only able to write and revise some of them).

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

It doesn't matter for the quality of the game. The first game's writing wasn't anything to write home about either, despite his supposed involvement. When he's not writing, but editing, the effect is lost. He's very respectful of everyone's style, so even if it's all shit, he won't do anything to fix it.

 

[Wunderbar]

He edited the first game, and its writing was way more concise and to the point.
He didn't edit Wotr, and it's full of badly edited PoE-style purple prose.

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

PoE-style purple prose

POE... a game MCA worked on... huh!

 

[Wunderbar]

PoE-style purple prose

POE... a game MCA worked on... huh!

but he didn't edit it.

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

Always excuses. Which is fine, but what it means is MCA's involvement doesn't mean quality. Unless he's writing at least 50% of the game, any small involvement of his is like a spoonful of mead in a barrel of shit.

 

[None]

He's very respectful of everyone's style, so even if it's all shit, he won't do anything to fix it.

Is this conjecture or do we actually know this.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

He's very respectful of everyone's style, so even if it's all shit, he won't do anything to fix it.

Is this conjecture or do we actually know this.

Sounds in line with his personality.

 

[Roguey]

Huh, Chris has been quietly editing his linkedin with all the stuff he was doing years ago.

Narrative Designer/Writer
Amazon

Oct 2018 - Mar 2019 6 months

Irvine, California, United States

- Narrative designer on New World, working on quest design, character design, region breakdowns, and 40+ story arcs told through journals/logs to flesh out the world background and lore.

Looks like some people here have an MMO to play.

Electronic Arts (EA) Graphic
Design Consultant
Electronic Arts (EA)

May 2019 - Jul 2019 3 months

Playa Vista, CA

- Design consultant (narrative + lore) for unannounced title for EA DICE.

What could this be?

Design Contractor
Bad Robot Games

Nov 2017 - Jun 2020 2 years 8 months

Los Angeles Metropolitan Area

- Worked with Bad Robot Games design department while working as designer on Wolfeye Studio's Weird West.
- Yes, got to meet JJ Abrams, and he's fucking cool and chill.

Narrative Designer/Writer
Guerrilla

Feb 2019 - Jun 2020 1 year 5 months

Los Angeles Metropolitan Area

- Designer/writer for Guerrilla Games internal development (contract).
- In addition to other responsibilities. assisted with minor script reviews on HZD:FW scripts (was not part of core team).

That's funny, Gonzalez noped out and Avellone briefly shoved his way in with some feedback (then got quietly fired when the accusations went flying).

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Looks like some people here have an MMO to play.

Already played it, it's pretty bad all around, don't recommend it.
The journals/pages you find around are well written though, yes. The overall lore/background of the island itself is interesting, but nowhere near fleshed out enough in design. Lots of copy+pasting enemies, quests, entire towns, etc.,

What could this be?

the canceled open world star wars RPG?

 

[Abu Antar]

Could be the canceled LOTR open world rpg.

 

[Jedi Master Radek]

It's interesting how he named cities in which he worked. Just as if some fat businessman would look at profile and think "I don't know if that game was good or not, but if the company has HQ in prestigious LA Metropolitan Area then it must be good, I will hire "

 

[ERYFKRAD]

It's interesting how he named cities in which he worked. Just as if some fat businessman would look at profile and think "I don't know if that game was good or not, but if the company has HQ in prestigious LA Metropolitan Area then it must be good, I will hire "

Wouldn't put it past HR to look at every metric but competence at the job.

 

[Jedi Master Radek]

It's interesting how he named cities in which he worked. Just as if some fat businessman would look at profile and think "I don't know if that game was good or not, but if the company has HQ in prestigious LA Metropolitan Area then it must be good, I will hire "

Wouldn't put it past HR to look at every metric but competence at the job.

It's not that you can create a writing quality scale and rate one guy 9.1 out of 10 and the other 7.6. I am not that surprised that HR people try to go for the low hanging fruit, especially that if you hire someone with connections, it can help you in your own career.

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

Looks like some people here have an MMO to play.

I have it, and I'd play through those quests for sure, but how am I supposed to know which ones he wrote? It's useless...

Someone reach out to him and ask which ones.

 

[Humbaba]

Avellone finally confirms that his contributions to Wrath of the Righteous were practically zilch (on account of getting fired)

https://twitter.com/ChrisAvellone/status/1482861466545913860

Pathfinder Wrath of Rightous has so many childish or generic writing moments, its a heaven and hell in comparison to Planescape Torment mature setting and atmosphere and deep characters. What happened? Seems only Disco Elysium and PST devs know how to write?

I do not know, I didn't get the chance to write or review any Owlcat scripts like I did with the first game (but even then, I was only able to write and revise some of them).

Explains the sheer wordiness, they had no editor.

 

[Infinitron]

It's interesting how he named cities in which he worked. Just as if some fat businessman would look at profile and think "I don't know if that game was good or not, but if the company has HQ in prestigious LA Metropolitan Area then it must be good, I will hire "

Isn't it just a field you fill out on LinkedIn when listing these things?

 

[Jedi Master Radek]

It's interesting how he named cities in which he worked. Just as if some fat businessman would look at profile and think "I don't know if that game was good or not, but if the company has HQ in prestigious LA Metropolitan Area then it must be good, I will hire "

Isn't it just a field you fill out on LinkedIn when listing these things?

So you say that every recruiter behaves in a way I described? I am so shocked.