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Grand Strategy Crusader Kings III

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"Manipulate grain market" - decision.
"Build dromons" - decision.
I'll take a wild guess: "engage in naval battle" will be a decision, too.

Truly, new engine gave CK3 unlimited possibilities.
 

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"Manipulate grain market" - decision.
"Build dromons" - decision.
I'll take a wild guess: "engage in naval battle" will be a decision, too.

Truly, new engine gave CK3 unlimited possibilities.
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I miss the sliders from EU3 but the AI can't even handle the simplified systems they have now.
Hopefully advancements in AI will bring grand strategy to a new level and bring us out of Mana and Decisions spam.
 
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Minecrawler

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I miss the sliders from EU3 but the AI can't even handle the simplified systems they have now.
Didn't stop them from adding stationing and legitimacy which break it even further.
But at least there is now AI with cheats (Conquerors) as a new feature.
 

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The dev diary for landless is out and it is even more bland and lifeless than I was expecting. What a glorious day.
 

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I loved what CKIII did with dynasty traits or however they are called, they actually give you an incentive to keep playing for more than ~100 years because you get the feeling of levelling up your dynasty (in CK2 your guy just dies, and you get another guy, everything repeats, time is a flat circle). Also the ability to start playing with a custom made religion. Creating a polygamic, incest-oriented version of Christianity, that in the beginning you are the only member of, then spreading it around by marrying your daughters, and their daughters, and their daughters' daughters, then marrying your sons to your ex-daughterwives when you get younger daughterwives to mass produce members of your family/cult is strategy powergaming at its peak.
 

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I didn't have any expectations after the "legends" dlc at all, so I am pleasantly surprised.
Of course, there's nothing stopping them from failing to deliver on all these promises.

Also, proper contracts which can be issued by player (and are generally issued by someone, instead of being semi-randomly generated) will have to be modded in, but that's nothing new.
 

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I loved what CKIII did with dynasty traits or however they are called, they actually give you an incentive to keep playing for more than ~100 years because you get the feeling of levelling up your dynasty (in CK2 your guy just dies, and you get another guy, everything repeats, time is a flat circle). Also the ability to start playing with a custom made religion. Creating a polygamic, incest-oriented version of Christianity, that in the beginning you are the only member of, then spreading it around by marrying your daughters, and their daughters, and their daughters' daughters, then marrying your sons to your ex-daughterwives when you get younger daughterwives to mass produce members of your family/cult is strategy powergaming at its peak.
It would be better if you could simply build long term political relationships with other characters, families, and dynasties, but since it is Paradox you get some trash RPG bonus.
 

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I've got this on my alert lists for isthereanydeal. Since getting closer to $30 for the starter edition and otherwise discontinued royal version: What DLC is actually good if I plan to play EK2?
 

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Seeing people I used to respect who actually have good opinions on V3(trash) or Imperator(awesome) sincerely believing the Landless gameplay revealed for the upcoming DLC is good or even great is awful. Can you ever really know a person? The landless stuff is a solid 4/10. But they tweet/post like it is a 9/10.
 

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What DLC is actually good if I plan to play EK2?
Tours & Tournaments is good all-around.
Royal court is useful for artifact inspirations and culture hybridization (EK2 doesn't allow it, though).
Northern lords is the only regional pack worth it.

Roads to power will be heavily utilized when it comes out. Admin governments are better than what passes as "feudalism" in base CK3 in many scenarios, fantasy or not. The skeleton system is free patch, but I don't think people will want to recreate all content from scratch.

Everything else is mostly shit with poorly implemented stuff like family feuds, wards and legends, which no one is going to fix.
 

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Seeing people I used to respect who actually have good opinions on V3(trash) or Imperator(awesome) sincerely believing the Landless gameplay revealed for the upcoming DLC is good or even great is awful. Can you ever really know a person? The landless stuff is a solid 4/10. But they tweet/post like it is a 9/10.

I suspect Landless would do well in the overhauled fantasy mods.
 

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Seeing people I used to respect who actually have good opinions on V3(trash) or Imperator(awesome) sincerely believing the Landless gameplay revealed for the upcoming DLC is good or even great is awful. Can you ever really know a person? The landless stuff is a solid 4/10. But they tweet/post like it is a 9/10.

I suspect Landless would do well in the overhauled fantasy mods.
In theory but realistically you could already do nearly anything landless does using the custom scripting GUI already. Tobbzn basically already made a superior system 2 years ago plus in his mod you can also play a clone of Darkest Dungeon.
 

sser

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Seeing people I used to respect who actually have good opinions on V3(trash) or Imperator(awesome) sincerely believing the Landless gameplay revealed for the upcoming DLC is good or even great is awful. Can you ever really know a person? The landless stuff is a solid 4/10. But they tweet/post like it is a 9/10.

I suspect Landless would do well in the overhauled fantasy mods.
In theory but realistically you could already do nearly anything landless does using the custom scripting GUI already. Tobbzn basically already made a superior system 2 years ago plus in his mod you can also play a clone of Darkest Dungeon.

Right but now it's just more stuff in that direction. I have no issue with it. CK's kinda maxxing out on what's interesting anyway as they carpet bomb the game with grossly overpriced DLC's.
 
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Is CK3 the best in the series?
Right now, CKII is the best Crusader Kings game.
There's zero reason to play CKI except nostalgia or having a total potato for a computer (which happened to me once hahaahah).
But CKII still holds up well.
Then again, it's Feature Complete.

I would say the big thing CKII is inferior about is that CKIII really runs better and is better optimized than II.
 
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I would say the big thing CKII is inferior about is that CKIII really runs better and is better optimized than II.
It's impressive how many more provinces CK3 has than CK2 and that it still runs well. But CK2 is still more than optimized enough for modern systems. I clocked mine at 7.82 seconds per year at the start of the game just now. That's faster than anyone can reasonably want (and events will pause you multiple times a year anyway).
 

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Is CK3 the best in the series?
To speak bluntly, the AI in CK3 isn't capable of playing the game effectively. You can easily rise from count to emperor with a single character. Most of the new systems feel like just boxes to tick off and some light role-playing. For some kid who doesn't care about a challenge and want to roll over everyone with poland or play with the vikings, it's a better game than CK2, but for everyone else, it's quite inferior.
 

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CK2 was a great game for the time. Especially with most of the DLC. But CK3 isn't improved enough given the time that has passed and/or the much more expensive prices for both the base game and the DLC.

CK3 has more powerful, but more difficult to use, modding, better optimization, a larger map and character count, and in theory better production values and assets.

If you really loved The Sims: Medieval it might be the game for you. But as a simulation with detailed social and diplomatic mechanics it fails intensely, and the military systems are a shitshow.
 

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Strap Yourselves In Serpent in the Staglands Shadorwun: Hong Kong Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag. Pathfinder: Wrath I'm very into cock and ball torture I helped put crap in Monomyth
But as a simulation with detailed social and diplomatic mechanics it fails intensely, and the military systems are a shitshow.
I just got a mod that lets me duel all commanders instead.
Suck on that School Chess club, trial by champion is not unrealistic.
 

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I am thinking that my first game with the Roads to Power DLC will be to start as a landless Muslim Punjabi adventurer from the area of modern day tribal Pakistan who then migrates to England, gets landed, takes over all of Britannia, and converts the culture in the British Isle to Punjabi.

I am considering some other starts, such as one that does something with the Byzantine, but this is the one that is currently holding my interest.
 
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Wow, after a long time on my Wishlist, I was finally able to buy this game. Took a good while for them to finally give it a decent discount in BRBux. If I was working I would use the big discount to buy the entire bundle of released DLC, but eh I will do it slowly. Honestly, this is going to be for MP, not for SP. SP is going to be alternative distribution versions until I manage to buy it all at the most discounted prices possible.

Pdox selling this for like 179 BRL is such a clown-show, considering the number of DLC this game has. The "discounted" price of the base game should be the normal price. It's not like buying all the DLCs is cheap, because it isn't.

I gotta read all the Roads to Power diaries, what I saw seemed interesting.
 

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